For ECA which is preferred-WES, CES or ICAS

[mahhek]

Once your eca is done then i believe its nearly impossible that your credentials will be reversed. Mahek is one of us who's application wasn't reversed as masters. Your self analysis and comparison and facilities in india, cic designated organisations are least bothered about all. They will assess according to their own criteria, either you submit documents to justify your msc as 2 years. All they need degree and transcripts thats all, i would recommend you to call wes and ask them why this happened to you. And before making a phone call email your docs which are serving as an evidence for you and then discuss and explain them in detail, i assure you one thing they very much cooperative. Besides, also check with ces may be their assessment become favourable for you?

To be honest I didn't find WES customer service to be good. They were not cooperative and kept telling me that please don't email us much, else it will slow down your process(I just mailed them twice, one with the complain and other with the proves). I mean why? They said we can't do anything and we can't give you an estimate on how long it takes to be re-evaluated.

 

[mahhek]

mahhek and affan_123:

Many thanks for your informative replies. +1 to both of you

I am from India. I was selected thru national selection for MSc and I studied directly at the department (on university campus) of a top univ. This means the course curriculum, research facilities, faculty etc were better than the same course offered at other colleges. Also specialization courses in the 2nd yr at University were more superior than those offered by other colleges for MSc

I also compared my MSc course curriculum with exact same MSc course offered by Canadian universities. It matches. If Canadian MSc is a 2-year post grad program then how can WES think my MSc is a 1-yr study towards a graduate program?

Very oddly WES USA assesses my MSc as a Masters but WES Canada assesses my MSc as a 1-yr towards grad. This wrong assessment is making me to lose points for FSW


What's your advice - must I give more info and docs for how I got selection for MSc and how my course curriculum is different from other colleges but same as Canadian MSc?

If WES USA has done your evaluation correctly than try to complain to WES Canada with your report number. They have this contact us section. But normally they won't. That's my personal experience. I hope its different for you. You can try CES. I mean you won't lose anything (except dollars) and might end up getting some useful points after being evaluated correctly. Best of luck

 

[xlnc20]

I got my evaluation done thru WES, for two reasons:
1. They accept that we take the copy of degree & transcripts and get it attested by Univ registrar and also on envelope cover. Since I had done that already it was easy for me since Iam not in india. Also other evaluators wanted them to be sent directly by the University. Even I requested someone to get the copies for me frm my Univ., it would be a risk as they would take their own time and doubt it if they will mail it to canada.
2. Per the website, atleats at the time I applied, promised the report in 20 business day. I dont remember that they had delayed.

Also the evaluation was done correctly.

 

[mahhek]

I got my evaluation done thru WES, for two reasons:
1. They accept that we take the copy of degree & transcripts and get it attested by Univ registrar and also on envelope cover. Since I had done that already it was easy for me since Iam not in india. Also other evaluators wanted them to be sent directly by the University. Even I requested someone to get the copies for me frm my Univ., it would be a risk as they would take their own time and doubt it if they will mail it to canada.
2. Per the website, atleats at the time I applied, promised the report in 20 business day. I dont remember that they had delayed.

Also the evaluation was done correctly.

It differ country to country. You are lucky to get evaluated corrected and the formalities are less. But for my country they want the higher education commission board to seal it. Ces has the same requirement. So no difference in terms of that. Yes evaluation time is very less as compared to CES. I recommend everyone to ask their country and preferably university fellows before making a choice. Forums can also help in this regard.

 

[Botinok]

I sent my diplomas to CES. All is good, but it took to much time - 4 months.
I believe it depends on the season, cause I sent it in fall 2014 when most of FSW wanted to be in time before Jan 1st.
I think we will use WES while doing evaluation for my wife's diploma.

 

[munjal]

I sent my diplomas to CES. All is good, but it took to much time - 4 months.
I believe it depends on the season, cause I sent it in fall 2014 when most of FSW wanted to be in time before Jan 1st.
I think we will use WES while doing evaluation for my wife's diploma.

Hi Botinok,
When did you sent your docs to CES for evaluation?

And what documents you sent?
I am thinking about doing my ECA from CES and not from WES...

 

[Can_US]

@affan_123 and mahhek

I have only done the online WES assessment. I haven't sent my degrees to WES as yet. It is on wes site I saw wrong assessment of my MSc. I still have chance to get correct assessment. hence I asked you if I must send other supporting documents to prove my Masters is a Masters

I have not done self assessment nor prepared documents myself. I have actual (and many) supporting documents to show that my MSc is on par with Canadian MSc. Also my MSc is not the same level as the MSc degree offered by Indian colleges. I have studied 18 years also

Would you suggest I go for assessment to wes or to ces as you know my case?

Anyone from india who had MSc assessed as Masters? From WES or CES?

 

[munjal]

@ affan_123 and mahhek

I have only done the online WES assessment. I haven't sent my degrees to WES as yet. It is on wes site I saw wrong assessment of my MSc. I still have chance to get correct assessment. hence I asked you if I must send other supporting documents to prove my Masters is a Masters

I have not done self assessment nor prepared documents myself. I have actual (and many) supporting documents to show that my MSc is on par with Canadian MSc. Also my MSc is not the same level as the MSc degree offered by Indian colleges. I have studied 18 years also

Would you suggest I go for assessment to wes or to ces as you know my case?

Anyone from india who had MSc assessed as Masters? From WES or CES?

Can_US,
I am having similar situation like you..
Just done preliminary evaluation on wes website and there got my masters degree evaluated as 4 years bachelors..
So, it just takes me on backfoot from doing ECA with WES..

And then I checked with the other applicant who have already done their Masters degree evaluations from WES..
Only those having MBAs could get it evaluated as Masters if ECA done from WES..

So.... my suggestion will be that if you have time to wait for more 13 weeks or so to get your ECA to be completed and most importantly getting your ECA correctly, then go for CES...

I am also planning to do my ECA from CES only..

 

[Can_US]

@ munjal

even I noticed (from online assessment) only MBA is considered a Master degree on WES website. All other masters degrees are assessed as 4-years Bachelors. This is ridiculous

To check, I purposely entered wrong duration for India mba (as 1 yr) and still WES gave it as Masters assessment.

Anyone will know there is no 1-year MBA degree in India. All MBA programs are 2 years. Any 1 yr MBA program in India is NOT Masters degree but a Post Graduate Diploma. Still WES considers a 1 year MBA/PG diploma as a Masters. This shows WES has no idea about Masters degrees in India

I am prepared to wait it out for 13 wks rather than get wrong assessment from WES bcoz that's affecting my chance at EE. I will go for CES assessment


I want to know if I must give more supporting documents to prove my MSc is equivalent to Canadian Masters in Science and show my MSc (I studied directly on university campus, got admission was thru national selection) is different from general MSc degree conducted at regular colleges? Your advice will be valued

 

[Botinok]

Hi Botinok,
When did you sent your docs to CES for evaluation?

And what documents you sent?
I am thinking about doing my ECA from CES and not from WES...

Hi,
I sent it last September
No problem with the quality, but time...
In September the posted approximate time of 9-11 weeks, but couple of months later it was already nearly 16...

 

[munjal]

@ munjal

even I noticed (from online assessment) only MBA is considered a Master degree on WES website. All other masters degrees are assessed as 4-years Bachelors. This is ridiculous

To check, I purposely entered wrong duration for India mba (as 1 yr) and still WES gave it as Masters assessment.

Anyone will know there is no 1-year MBA degree in India. All MBA programs are 2 years. Any 1 yr MBA program in India is NOT Masters degree but a Post Graduate Diploma. Still WES considers a 1 year MBA/PG diploma as a Masters. This shows WES has no idea about Masters degrees in India

I am prepared to wait it out for 13 wks rather than get wrong assessment from WES bcoz that's affecting my chance at EE. I will go for CES assessment


I want to know if I must give more supporting documents to prove my MSc is equivalent to Canadian Masters in Science and show my MSc (I studied directly on university campus, got admission was thru national selection) is different from general MSc degree conducted at regular colleges? Your advice will be valued

You are very much correct..
I think they dont make detailed evaluation pertaining to each course done by the applicant and its equiavalency with canadian course,
they have just standardised and generalised the various degrees to corresponding canadian equivalent degrees..
and whoever is doing ECA, say for MCom, or MSc or MA then they just make ECA as equivalent to 4 years bachelors canadian degree.

Just to share my example, My MSc is with Industrial Chemistry and it involved Industrial Visits, A Project Work and a dissertation...
And these all is way beyond simple bachelors theoretical studies.. and it was all about process technology and process mechanics that involved a lot of practical knowledge..

but then as per provisional degree equivalency it is just showing as equivalent to 4 years canadian bachelors.

So ridiculous this is!!

 

[affan_123]

@ munjal

even I noticed (from online assessment) only MBA is considered a Master degree on WES website. All other masters degrees are assessed as 4-years Bachelors. This is ridiculous

To check, I purposely entered wrong duration for India mba (as 1 yr) and still WES gave it as Masters assessment.

Anyone will know there is no 1-year MBA degree in India. All MBA programs are 2 years. Any 1 yr MBA program in India is NOT Masters degree but a Post Graduate Diploma. Still WES considers a 1 year MBA/PG diploma as a Masters. This shows WES has no idea about Masters degrees in India

I am prepared to wait it out for 13 wks rather than get wrong assessment from WES bcoz that's affecting my chance at EE. I will go for CES assessment


I want to know if I must give more supporting documents to prove my MSc is equivalent to Canadian Masters in Science and show my MSc (I studied directly on university campus, got admission was thru national selection) is different from general MSc degree conducted at regular colleges? Your advice will be valued

Dear, which supporting documents you are talking about? It doesnt make sense to send supporting documents as all designated organisations assess on the basis of degree and transcript. Your transcript shows credit hours and number of courses you studied and ofcourse subjects you took every semester. Subjects taught in Universities across the globe should meet the criteria, its level and content of the subject. Designated organisations assess the content with the name of a course. I literally dont want to dis heart you by saying not to show your supporting documents to wes but I personally believe its a waste of time. Dont you think If you have doubts then its better to go with Ces? Purpose is to get the ita not to fight with wes.

Still i would say, we all can only recommend you and share our experience only, if you personally believe your evidences are strong enough that they could turned your in your favor then go for wes, otherwise, move on.

Hope this answers your question

 

[affan_123]

You are very much correct..
I think they dont make detailed evaluation pertaining to each course done by the applicant and its equiavalency with canadian course,
they have just standardised and generalised the various degrees to corresponding canadian equivalent degrees..
and whoever is doing ECA, say for MCom, or MSc or MA then they just make ECA as equivalent to 4 years bachelors canadian degree.

Just to share my example, My MSc is with Industrial Chemistry and it involved Industrial Visits, A Project Work and a dissertation...
And these all is way beyond simple bachelors theoretical studies.. and it was all about process technology and process mechanics that involved a lot of practical knowledge..

but then as per provisional degree equivalency it is just showing as equivalent to 4 years canadian bachelors.

So ridiculous this is!!

Currently its 8 weeks not 13

 

[Render-yo]

Hi everyone,

this is my first post here
i have read all of this thread and i found it very helpful, because i have a Masters degree and i was going to do my ECA through WES, but now ill change WES for CES in hope for them to assess my Masters Degree as a Canadian Master.

However I have certain concerns related to the procedure for Having my ECA done through CES :
1- In WES they give a place where to register and create your profile in order to assess your query .. i couldn't find this in ECS website ??
2- I have three diplomas, should i make an envelope and an application form for each one of them ?? should i sign the application form ??
3- Please explain to me how to pay the Fees (in details)
4- And last … how can I survey my ECA treatment ??

Thanks everyone !

 

[mahhek]

@ affan_123 and mahhek

I have only done the online WES assessment. I haven't sent my degrees to WES as yet. It is on wes site I saw wrong assessment of my MSc. I still have chance to get correct assessment. hence I asked you if I must send other supporting documents to prove my Masters is a Masters

I have not done self assessment nor prepared documents myself. I have actual (and many) supporting documents to show that my MSc is on par with Canadian MSc. Also my MSc is not the same level as the MSc degree offered by Indian colleges. I have studied 18 years also

Would you suggest I go for assessment to wes or to ces as you know my case?

Anyone from india who had MSc assessed as Masters? From WES or CES?

I don't think any supporting documents will help. I personally think they won't consider them. If they assess everyone with your qualifications as a bachelors then they will do so no matter what evidences you present them, else they can be sued by others. I tried to convince them too. But it didn't work. Certainly I have my reasons to be angry at WES but I believe that CES wont evaluate you lower than WES. It's either more or equal. I have being to many forums regarding this matter. I never came across a complain about CES other than the timings. With WES I saw many. Think and do what you feel is best for you