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Supporting document to prove residency obligation for PR renewal

Besram

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Struggling with 2 pieces of proof to submit for my parents PR renewal. They have been here for ~800+ days. They don't have a job here(they are retired in their home country) nor do they have any lease or utility bills here. Has anyone here gone through this process and help me with some details? TIA
Bank and credit card statements should do the trick. And tax returns if they filed their taxes.
 

thenike

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Bank and credit card statements should do the trick. And tax returns if they filed their taxes.
Thanks for your response. I think I should be able to get those. I did get them to file taxes for 3 years that they were here. The document guide mentions taxes for 5 years but I guess 3 years should be enough?
Also, should I include random bank/credit card statements? It would probably be alot to submit for all the months.
 

armoured

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Thanks for your response. I think I should be able to get those. I did get them to file taxes for 3 years that they were here. The document guide mentions taxes for 5 years but I guess 3 years should be enough?
Also, should I include random bank/credit card statements? It would probably be alot to submit for all the months.
Just the noas shouod be sufficient.
 
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YVR123

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Thanks for your response. I think I should be able to get those. I did get them to file taxes for 3 years that they were here. The document guide mentions taxes for 5 years but I guess 3 years should be enough?
Also, should I include random bank/credit card statements? It would probably be alot to submit for all the months.
You don't need all statements. Just to show some activities that they live here.

I agree that NOA should be enough. If you are worried, 1 extra statement or other proof.
 
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gccops

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We plan to apply for PR renewal for my wife after she lands in Canada using PRTD.
She has not lived in Canada since 2013. She was staying overseas with Canadian citizen spouse.
In this case what documents needs to be attached while applying for PR renewal?
What are the 2 pieces of evidence which we need to show from the below. She has not filed Tax returns since 2013 or worked in Canada or received benefits in last 5 years. We do not have rental agreements in last 5 years.
What are the OTHER documents that we can attach?

Supporting documents showing that you meet the residency obligation
  • You must provide copies of 2 pieces of evidence that can show residency in Canada in the five (5) years immediately before the application, such as:
    • employment records or pay stubs;
    • bank statements;
    • Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) Notice of Assessment for the five (5) years immediately before the application
    • evidence that you received benefits from Canadian government programs;
    • rental agreements;
    • club memberships;
    • or any other documents that prove you met your residency obligation.
 

armoured

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We plan to apply for PR renewal for my wife after she lands in Canada using PRTD.
She has not lived in Canada since 2013. She was staying overseas with Canadian citizen spouse.
In this case what documents needs to be attached while applying for PR renewal?
What are the 2 pieces of evidence which we need to show from the below. She has not filed Tax returns since 2013 or worked in Canada or received benefits in last 5 years. We do not have rental agreements in last 5 years.
What are the OTHER documents that we can attach?

Supporting documents showing that you meet the residency obligation
  • You must provide copies of 2 pieces of evidence that can show residency in Canada in the five (5) years immediately before the application, such as:
    • employment records or pay stubs;
    • bank statements;
    • Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) Notice of Assessment for the five (5) years immediately before the application
    • evidence that you received benefits from Canadian government programs;
    • rental agreements;
    • club memberships;
    • or any other documents that prove you met your residency obligation.
I repeat my comment in your other thread:
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/prtd-proof-of-the-residential-addresses-of-the-person-you-are-accompanying.852379/post-11009961

You are confusing the basis for renewal. You will not be substantiating her physical presence in Canada, but 'accompanying a citizen' (you) abroad. Re-read the instructions (which i admit are not great for this), use your judgment and provide what you can.

If you are not comfortable doing so, or still don't understand this, you need professional assistance. Not an immigration consultant, but a Canadian lawyer who specializes in immigration.
 
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dpenabill

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We plan to apply for PR renewal for my wife after she lands in Canada using PRTD.
She has not lived in Canada since 2013. She was staying overseas with Canadian citizen spouse.
In this case what documents needs to be attached while applying for PR renewal?
What are the 2 pieces of evidence which we need to show from the below. She has not filed Tax returns since 2013 or worked in Canada or received benefits in last 5 years. We do not have rental agreements in last 5 years.
What are the OTHER documents that we can attach?

Supporting documents showing that you meet the residency obligation
  • You must provide copies of 2 pieces of evidence that can show residency in Canada in the five (5) years immediately before the application, such as . . .
As @armoured has noted here and in other threads, it appears you are confusing/conflating the supporting documents to include with the application for a new PR card for a PR who meets the Residency Obligation based on days actually IN Canada in contrast to the supporting documents for a PR who needs to show they met the RO based on the credit allowed for days outside Canada accompanying a spouse who is a Canadian citizen. The supporting documents to include to prove/show RO compliance based on this credit are described in the Appendix under Situation B. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada, which again is in the Appendix here:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-5445-applying-permanent-resident-card-card-first-application-replacement-renewal-change-gender-identifier.html#appendixA

By the way, those instructions (as to providing supporting documents in Situation B. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada), are precisely the same for a PR Travel Document application, again in the Appendix here:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-5529-applying-permanent-resident-travel-document.html#appendixa

As @armoured commented:
. . . You will not be substantiating her physical presence in Canada, but 'accompanying a citizen' (you) abroad.
Thus, what is more confusing, and which frankly suggests that you may need assistance in reading through the instructions, is that (again) the supporting documents for the PR card application are precisely the same as your spouse would include with the application for a PR Travel Document. Indeed, once she is physically present in Canada and prepared to make the application for a new PR card, it should be OK to include copies of the same supporting documents that were submitted with the PR TD application.

Moreover, I also agree with what @armoured also noted:

Re-read the instructions (which i admit are not great for this), use your judgment and provide what you can.

If you are not comfortable doing so, or still don't understand this, you need professional assistance. Not an immigration consultant, but a Canadian lawyer who specializes in immigration.
However, it is far, far, far more important to get this right in the application for the PR Travel Document than it is for making the PR card application.

In particular, if the information and supporting documents provided in the application for a PR TD are insufficient, the visa office can deny the PR TD and that is a decision that terminates PR status. Not all is lost, necessarily, if that happens, but the procedure for fixing that can be more difficult, time consuming, and if professional assistance is obtained much more expensive. Since she has not been in Canada within the preceding year, there is no guarantee she would be allowed to return to Canada pending an appeal.

Even though the Visa Office might ask for more information and documents rather than deny the PR TD, there is a substantial risk the Visa Office makes a determination based on what is included in the application, and if it does this and denies the application, again that is a decision terminating PR status unless successfully appealed.

In contrast, a PR card application would not be denied. Worst case scenario is it triggers a 44(1) Inadmissibility Report (if the information and documents included with the application do not show RO compliance), giving her an opportunity to submit more information and documentation (without having to go through the process of appealing, a time consuming, more difficult, and expensive if professional assistance is needed).

But the main thing here is that as long as she gets it right in making the PR TD application, and a PR TD is issued, once she is here in Canada, and settled here, it should be smooth sailing for a PR card application. In deciding the PR TD application, IRCC will have already examined and assessed her RO compliance. She should still include the supporting documents to show she is entitled to the accompanying-Canadian-citizen-spouse credit, which again will be almost precisely the same as submitted with the PR TD application (except she would also include information about her address now in Canada and a document showing this).
 

gccops

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Thanks a lot for all the advise. I would definitely be meeting an immigration lawyer in Canada before applying for PRTD.