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PRTD - proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying

zeninmaking

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Hello!
My wife is applying for a PRTD and stated that she accompanied a Canadian Citizen (me) while outside Canada.
Appendix A (situation B) asks to submit:
  • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application;
What kind of documents proving my residential address can I submit and how many should I submit over the 5 years?

Also, my wife was outside Canada for only 213 days in the past 5 years. Is it still required to submit my residential address proof considering she meets the residency obligation criteria. I'm thinking the whole "accompanying a Canadian Citizen outside Canada" is used when the residency obligation is not met so they could count the days the applicant was with a Canadian Citizen while traveling? I could be wrong.

Thanks in advance!
 
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dpenabill

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Hello!
My wife is applying for a PRTD and stated that she accompanied a Canadian Citizen (me) while outside Canada.
Appendix A (situation B) asks to submit:
  • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application;
What kind of documents proving my residential address can I submit and how many should I submit over the 5 years?

Also, my wife was outside Canada for only 213 days in the past 5 years. Is it still required to submit my residential address proof considering she meets the residency obligation criteria. I'm thinking the whole "accompanying a Canadian Citizen outside Canada" is used when the residency obligation is not met so they could count the days the applicant was with a Canadian Citizen while traveling? I could be wrong.

Thanks in advance!
As long as the total time spent outside Canada is fewer than 1095 days, as calculated in Question 5.5, there is no need to include the additional supporting evidence needed to get credit for days outside Canada accompanying a citizen spouse. The PR only needs to include two pieces of evidence showing residency in Canada.

In particular, note that in the guide for making a PR TD application, in the instructions regarding the RO in the appendix, the instructions for including supporting evidence to get credit for days outside Canada accompanying a citizen spouse follow a statement that makes it clear those are for a PR who was outside Canada for more than 1095 days. Which as you suggest makes sense.
 

zeninmaking

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As long as the total time spent outside Canada is fewer than 1095 days, as calculated in Question 5.5, there is no need to include the additional supporting evidence needed to get credit for days outside Canada accompanying a citizen spouse. The PR only needs to include two pieces of evidence showing residency in Canada.

In particular, note that in the guide for making a PR TD application, in the instructions regarding the RO in the appendix, the instructions for including supporting evidence to get credit for days outside Canada accompanying a citizen spouse follow a statement that makes it clear those are for a PR who was outside Canada for more than 1095 days. Which as you suggest makes sense.
Thank you!
 

stephen114791

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I am applying for PRTD, I do have a similar question, may I know what kind of documents proving the residential address and how many should I submit over the 5 years? should I provide the proving document for each year since I stay in one place for the past 5 years.
  • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application;

Thanks in advance!
 

armoured

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I am applying for PRTD, I do have a similar question, may I know what kind of documents proving the residential address and how many should I submit over the 5 years? should I provide the proving document for each year since I stay in one place for the past 5 years.
  • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application;

Thanks in advance!
Just use your judgment about what you can provide - lease, utilities, official documents, we don't know what you have. I'd suggest 2-3 documents covering different periods in those five years, include a short letter saying you lived in the same place during all that period.
 

stephen114791

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Just use your judgment about what you can provide - lease, utilities, official documents, we don't know what you have. I'd suggest 2-3 documents covering different periods in those five years, include a short letter saying you lived in the same place during all that period.
thank you
 

gccops

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I am applying for PRTD using IMM5444, I do have a similar question, may I know what kind of documents proving the residential address and how many should I submit over the 5 years?
  • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application
I am a Canada citizen living in India and applying for PRTD for my wife whose PR expired 7 years back. My wife has not visited Canada since 2013. She landed in 2009 got PR and renewed PR in 2013 which expired in 2018.

Self got Canada citizenship in 2014 and moved back to India.
1. Last 5 years I have travelled in and out of India alone several times during the 5 years and my wife travelled out of India once. In answer to the above questions do we need to show these periods away from each other in the application (as Entry and exit stamps of India are clear in the passport). Each year my periods of stay away from India are around 6 months mostly going out for work (not a Canada Business)

2. For the below supporting documents we shall attach
Spouse Indian passports last 5 years - (India passport has name of spouse and address)
My Canada passports last 5 years;
My Citizenship certificate;
Marriage certificate;
Proof of Indian residential address for both of us - Both have Indian driving license with Indian address or Indian home ownership,
Expired PR cards front and back;

You may also include:
  • Canadian Income Tax Notice of Assessment (NOA) for the past two (2) years - Is this required as we dont have?
  • school or employment records - Is this required? For whom - wife or myself?
  • any other documents you want us to consider - what can we attach?
Below from IRCC website
Supporting documents may include:
  • Mandatory:
    • all passports or other travel documents that the person you are accompanying used in the five (5) years before the application;
    • documents showing the citizenship of the person you are accompanying, including the date the person became a Canadian citizen;
    • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application;
    • marriage license or proof of common-law partnership (if you are accompanying a spouse or common-law partner);
    • child's birth certificate, baptismal document, or adoption or legal guardianship document (if you are accompanying a parent);
  • You may also include:
    • Canadian Income Tax Notice of Assessment (NOA) for the past two (2) years
    • school or employment records;
    • association or club memberships;
    • any other documents you want us to consider
Looking forward to your help and support to fill the IMM 5444
 

gccops

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1.5 Place you became PR in Canada - This info to be taken from PR card or COPR? COPR shows Richmond Hill, Ontario while on the back of PR shows Toronto, Ontario?
 

gccops

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4.2 Work and Educational History (Inside and Outside Canada)
Wife retired her job in India in April 2023. So last 5 years 2020- 2025. we will show work upto April 2023 and 2023 to 2025 as retired.
Do we need to show proof of work history and retirement history and If so under which heading? OTHERS?
 

steaky

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I am applying for PRTD using IMM5444, I do have a similar question, may I know what kind of documents proving the residential address and how many should I submit over the 5 years?
  • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application
I am a Canada citizen living in India and applying for PRTD for my wife whose PR expired 7 years back. My wife has not visited Canada since 2013. She landed in 2009 got PR and renewed PR in 2013 which expired in 2018.

Self got Canada citizenship in 2014 and moved back to India.
1. Last 5 years I have travelled in and out of India alone several times during the 5 years and my wife travelled out of India once. In answer to the above questions do we need to show these periods away from each other in the application (as Entry and exit stamps of India are clear in the passport). Each year my periods of stay away from India are around 6 months mostly going out for work (not a Canada Business)

2. For the below supporting documents we shall attach
Spouse Indian passports last 5 years - (India passport has name of spouse and address)
My Canada passports last 5 years;
My Citizenship certificate;
Marriage certificate;
Proof of Indian residential address for both of us - Both have Indian driving license with Indian address or Indian home ownership,
Expired PR cards front and back;

You may also include:
  • Canadian Income Tax Notice of Assessment (NOA) for the past two (2) years - Is this required as we dont have?
  • school or employment records - Is this required? For whom - wife or myself?
  • any other documents you want us to consider - what can we attach?
Below from IRCC website
Supporting documents may include:
  • Mandatory:
    • all passports or other travel documents that the person you are accompanying used in the five (5) years before the application;
    • documents showing the citizenship of the person you are accompanying, including the date the person became a Canadian citizen;
    • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application;
    • marriage license or proof of common-law partnership (if you are accompanying a spouse or common-law partner);
    • child's birth certificate, baptismal document, or adoption or legal guardianship document (if you are accompanying a parent);
  • You may also include:
    • Canadian Income Tax Notice of Assessment (NOA) for the past two (2) years
    • school or employment records;
    • association or club memberships;
    • any other documents you want us to consider
Looking forward to your help and support to fill the IMM 5444
In Canada, documents (such as utility bills) are usually used for proof of address. I think you need to focus on how long your wife accompanies you as a Canadian citizen, meets her residency obligations to keep her Permanent Resident status. Since neither of you lives in Canada, you can ignore to include

  • Canadian Income Tax Notice of Assessment (NOA) for the past two (2) years
  • association or club memberships;

But then you need to provide proof that your wife accompanies you as a Canadian citizen or you accompanying your wife for the last 5 years. The last 5 years you've travelled in and out of India alone several times, while your wife travelled out of India once (with you?)., that didn't tell us if you and your wife always accompanies each other during the past 5 years. Maybe, you should consider wait longer until she satisfied the requirements.
 
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steaky

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1.5 Place you became PR in Canada - This info to be taken from PR card or COPR? COPR shows Richmond Hill, Ontario while on the back of PR shows Toronto, Ontario?
The port of entry. For example, if she landed in YVR airport, then Vancouver.
 

steaky

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4.2 Work and Educational History (Inside and Outside Canada)
Wife retired her job in India in April 2023. So last 5 years 2020- 2025. we will show work upto April 2023 and 2023 to 2025 as retired.
Do we need to show proof of work history and retirement history and If so under which heading? OTHERS?
She needs her employment record up to April 2023.
 

dpenabill

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Re Supporting Documents to Prove Accompanying . . .

I am applying for PRTD using IMM5444, I do have a similar question, may I know what kind of documents proving the residential address and how many should I submit over the 5 years?
  • proof of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application
I am a Canada citizen living in India and applying for PRTD for my wife whose PR expired 7 years back. My wife has not visited Canada since 2013. She landed in 2009 got PR and renewed PR in 2013 which expired in 2018.
You quote the proper source describing the supporting documents to be included with the PR TD application.

In addition to including a copy of all passports and other travel documents, as described in the instructions, the main thing is to submit supporting documents that:
-- prove the marriage relationship (certificate of marriage is sufficient)​
-- prove the spouse is a Canadian citizen (passport plus certificate of citizenship is sufficient)​
-- prove the PR and Canadian citizen spouse ordinarily reside together​

For a PR married to and living with a Canadian citizen outside Canada, and they are a couple who are living in the same household nearly all the time, in addition to copies of drivers' licenses for both showing same address, and documentation of home ownership by both, a few additional documents showing the same residential address will ordinarily suffice to prove they are ordinarily residing together. Not many needed. Just a sample of bills or bank statements, some showing the PR's address and others showing the Canadian citizen's address (as the same of course), any documents from government sources (such as tax documents comparable to the Canadian NoA) showing your name and the address for example, and others showing your spouse's name and the address. Of course any formal documents showing the address as the same for both of you would be particularly good (like a property tax bill in both your names).

But . . .

Self got Canada citizenship in 2014 and moved back to India.
1. Last 5 years I have travelled in and out of India alone several times during the 5 years and my wife travelled out of India once. In answer to the above questions do we need to show these periods away from each other in the application (as Entry and exit stamps of India are clear in the passport). Each year my periods of stay away from India are around 6 months mostly going out for work (not a Canada Business)
It is difficult to judge whether you are in or approaching a grey area. Hard to say if this needs much attention.

Generally all the days the couple are ordinarily residing together get credit, including days one is traveling without the other, so no need to do an accounting for days one is traveling without the other.

Thus, for example, if the couple are ordinarily residing together, neither having a regular place of abode elsewhere, even if the citizen was traveling away from "home" on business a lot, more than a dozen weeks every year, even then all the days they maintain their primary residence in the same home get credit.

Obviously, however, there's a practical, credible limit to this. One day a month at "home" is not likely to pass muster. Five days a month probably a no-go. How about a hundred days a year? Not sure. Two hundred and fifty days a year? Probably no problem.

How about two hundred days a year? That is still more than half the time. I am still not sure, but probably OK, particularly since that would add up to well more than 730 days physically together over the five year RO calculation period.

We do not see many cases where there is a focus on a more precise accounting of days the couple were actually together. That is not the usual approach -- again, the usual approach is to count days the couple "ordinarily reside together," which is essentially those periods of time the couple maintain their primary residence in the same dwelling.

However, the precise calculation of days physically together has been a key element in some cases. In these situations "accompanying" could be interpreted so as to count days physically together (in most respects, for the RO credit "accompanying" has a particular meaning which is not about counting days physically together; big, complicated subject dealt with elsewhere), and days together totaling at least 730/5 years could be a more or less bottom-line (we have not seen enough of these cases to know with confidence). So, as @steaky noted, you have not revealed how many days you and your PR-spouse are physically together; hopefully that number is more than half the time (might be tough to credibly claim to be ordinarily residing together if you are residing apart more than together), but physically together at least 730 days within the previous five years.

What effect does this have in deciding what information and supporting documents to submit?
. . . particularly in regards to show/prove the PR is accompanying their Canadian citizen spouse outside Canada?

If you are living at home, so to say, at least or very near to half the year, probably OK to just include the usual documents showing your PR-spouse's address is the same as your address, and perhaps a brief letter-of-explanation addressing the lengthy for-work separations, and positively clarifying (assuming it is true) you ordinarily reside together but the separations are compelled by work.

If you are separated significantly more than half the year, and especially if that is for extended periods at a time (rather than regular going back-and-forth), I am not sure how to approach that. For one thing, I am not at all sure to what extent too much information could invite questions and cause problems. My general sense is that so long as you well document that your primary address is the same as your PR-spouse's primary address, and that is where you regularly and consistently return to as home, and the total days actually together are, say, more than 800 days in the last five years, at the very least 730 days during the last five years, that together with the LoE should suffice . . . but I am well shy of sure . . . we just have not seen enough cases similar to this to know much about what the visa office will focus on.

If for example, say, you are really cutting-it-close to the 730 days credit needed to comply with the RO. Do you include, as part of the LoE perhaps, detailed travel history to show you were physically together for at least 730 days in the relevant five year period? Or do you rely on the general documentation of each of you maintaining your primary residence at the same address and generally acknowledge extensive travel separately with a brief LoE explaining work demands? For you to decide (well, actually it is for the PR-spouse to decide; they are the one responsible for what gets submitted).

Please come back and update the forum about how you approach this and how it goes.
 
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Re Supporting Documents to Prove Accompanying . . .



You quote the proper source describing the supporting documents to be included with the PR TD application.

In addition to including a copy of all passports and other travel documents, as described in the instructions, the main thing is to submit supporting documents that:
-- prove the marriage relationship (certificate of marriage is sufficient)​
-- prove the spouse is a Canadian citizen (passport plus certificate of citizenship is sufficient)​
-- prove the PR and Canadian citizen spouse ordinarily reside together​

For a PR married to and living with a Canadian citizen outside Canada, and they are a couple who are living in the same household nearly all the time, in addition to copies of drivers' licenses for both showing same address, and documentation of home ownership by both, a few additional documents showing the same residential address will ordinarily suffice to prove they are ordinarily residing together. Not many needed. Just a sample of bills or bank statements, some showing the PR's address and others showing the Canadian citizen's address (as the same of course), any documents from government sources (such as tax documents comparable to the Canadian NoA) showing your name and the address for example, and others showing your spouse's name and the address. Of course any formal documents showing the address as the same for both of you would be particularly good (like a property tax bill in both your names).

But . . .



It is difficult to judge whether you are in or approaching a grey area. Hard to say if this needs much attention.

Generally all the days the couple are ordinarily residing together get credit, including days one is traveling without the other, so no need to do an accounting for days one is traveling without the other.

Thus, for example, if the couple are ordinarily residing together, neither having a regular place of abode elsewhere, even if the citizen was traveling away from "home" on business a lot, more than a dozen weeks every year, even then all the days they maintain their primary residence in the same home get credit.

Obviously, however, there's a practical, credible limit to this. One day a month at "home" is not likely to pass muster. Five days a month probably a no-go. How about a hundred days a year? Not sure. Two hundred and fifty days a year? Probably no problem.

How about two hundred days a year? That is still more than half the time. I am still not sure, but probably OK, particularly since that would add up to well more than 730 days physically together over the five year RO calculation period.

We do not see many cases where there is a focus on a more precise accounting of days the couple were actually together. That is not the usual approach -- again, the usual approach is to count days the couple "ordinarily reside together," which is essentially those periods of time the couple maintain their primary residence in the same dwelling.

However, the precise calculation of days physically together has been a key element in some cases. In these situations "accompanying" could be interpreted so as to count days physically together (in most respects, for the RO credit "accompanying" has a particular meaning which is not about counting days physically together; big, complicated subject dealt with elsewhere), and days together totaling at least 730/5 years could be a more or less bottom-line (we have not seen enough of these cases to know with confidence). So, as @steaky noted, you have not revealed how many days you and your PR-spouse are physically together; hopefully that number is more than half the time (might be tough to credibly claim to be ordinarily residing together if you are residing apart more than together), but physically together at least 730 days within the previous five years.

What effect does this have in deciding what information and supporting documents to submit?
. . . particularly in regards to show/prove the PR is accompanying their Canadian citizen spouse outside Canada?

If you are living at home, so to say, at least or very near to half the year, probably OK to just include the usual documents showing your PR-spouse's address is the same as your address, and perhaps a brief letter-of-explanation addressing the lengthy for-work separations, and positively clarifying (assuming it is true) you ordinarily reside together but the separations are compelled by work.

If you are separated significantly more than half the year, and especially if that is for extended periods at a time (rather than regular going back-and-forth), I am not sure how to approach that. For one thing, I am not at all sure to what extent too much information could invite questions and cause problems. My general sense is that so long as you well document that your primary address is the same as your PR-spouse's primary address, and that is where you regularly and consistently return to as home, and the total days actually together are, say, more than 800 days in the last five years, at the very least 730 days during the last five years, that together with the LoE should suffice . . . but I am well shy of sure . . . we just have not seen enough cases similar to this to know much about what the visa office will focus on.

If for example, say, you are really cutting-it-close to the 730 days credit needed to comply with the RO. Do you include, as part of the LoE perhaps, detailed travel history to show you were physically together for at least 730 days in the relevant five year period? Or do you rely on the general documentation of each of you maintaining your primary residence at the same address and generally acknowledge extensive travel separately with a brief LoE explaining work demands? For you to decide (well, actually it is for the PR-spouse to decide; they are the one responsible for what gets submitted).

Please come back and update the forum about how you approach this and how it goes.
Also appears that the spouse relocated to India before their spouse received citizenship and for their own employment. Unclear if the Canadian citizen was ever employed in India or using it more as a base while spouse lives and works there.
 

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Also appears that the spouse relocated to India before their spouse received citizenship and for their own employment. Unclear if the Canadian citizen was ever employed in India or using it more as a base while spouse lives and works there.
What does it matter if the Canadian citizen employed in India or not?