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Visitor visa for brother refusal

CanGoldDigger

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The purpose of the visit was clear: visit me and see Toronto. So, two weeks is a very reasonable time for this purpose. I think the visa officer just wanted to find an excuse for the visit purpose.
It's the exact wording and no other details?

How can he be financially established? I don't understand this. He has been working for 2 years and 5 months for the same company.
It's hard to tell not knowing all the details.
 

Copingwithlife

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Jul 29, 2018
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Can I explicitly state on the new application that I will completely fund his trip, including the plane tickets, and make the stay for 10 days instead of 2 weeks?
Will this make any difference?
No , that’ll even put more focus on that he can’t afford the trip

If you’re paying for everything, why should he leave ?

If he’s even pulling in $2500 month for over two years and living at home , why he’s not totally funding this trip ?

Why are you even coming into the picture for funding this trip ? He’s a grown adult living at home . He should have more than that in the bank and some
 

Egi_H

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Dec 25, 2017
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No , that’ll even put more focus on that he can’t afford the trip

If you’re paying for everything, why should he leave ?

If he’s even pulling in $2500 month for over two years and living at home , why he’s not totally funding this trip ?

Why are you even coming into the picture for funding this trip ? He’s a grown adult living at home . He should have more than that in the bank and some
So what should we do differently in the new application then?
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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So what should we do differently in the new application then?
Would order GCMS notes to see if you can get more details about concerns so you can address them. Do your parents have a supervisa? Have they visit Canada and if so for how long? What is his citizenship? Assume he lives in his home country.
 
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Aliraza2594

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Nov 6, 2023
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I am a Canadian citizen and invited my brother to visit me for 2 weeks and explore the city of Toronto. His TRV was refused because of these reasons:

"I am refusing your application.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/section-179.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.
• Your current employment situation does not show that you are financially established in your country of residence."

My brother has been working for 2 years and gets the equivalent of around $2500/month. In the application we stated that he would bring $2000 with him for he's stay but that I would also support him in case of emergency or unexpected events. I also showed my proof of funds. I know that my finances are secondary, but 2 years ago I applied for a TRV for my parents too and they got it. In my parents' application we put 0 dollars to bring to Canada but I committed to cover all their expenses and showed my POF as well as my father's letter of employment. My mother wasn't working.

1. What went wrong with my brother's application?
2. How can we fix the mistakes when we prepare the second application?

Understanding the Difference Between Your Brother's and Parents' Applications:

You've provided additional information that your brother earns about $2,500 per month and planned to bring $2,000 for his stay. You also mentioned that you would support him financially if needed. In contrast, your parents' TRV applications were approved even though they declared bringing $0, relying entirely on your support.

Possible Reasons for Refusal:

  1. Insufficient Financial Independence:
    • Brother's Application: The visa officer may have perceived your brother as not being financially independent enough. Relying partly on your funds might have raised concerns about his ability to support himself.
    • Parents' Application: It's more common and acceptable for parents to be financially supported by their children during visits, especially if they are retired or not working.
  2. Lack of Strong Ties to Home Country:
    • Brother's Application: As a young, working individual without significant assets or dependents, your brother might not have demonstrated strong enough reasons to return home.
    • Parents' Application: Your parents may have stronger ties, such as property ownership, social commitments, or other dependents, which assure the visa officer of their intention to return.
  3. Purpose of Visit Not Clearly Defined:
    • The visa officer may have felt that the purpose of your brother's visit wasn't thoroughly explained or documented, making it seem inconsistent with a short-term stay.
How to Improve Your Brother's Next Application:

  1. Enhance Financial Documentation:
    • Personal Funds: Provide evidence of your brother's savings, bank statements, and any investments to show financial stability.
    • Proof of Assets: If he owns property or other significant assets, include official documents as proof.
  2. Strengthen Employment Evidence:
    • Employer Letter: Obtain a detailed letter from his employer confirming his position, salary, length of employment, and approved leave dates.
    • Employment Contract: Include a copy of his employment contract if available.
  3. Demonstrate Strong Ties to Home Country:
    • Family Obligations: If he has dependents or family members he cares for, provide documentation.
    • Community Involvement: Include evidence of any community service, memberships, or commitments.
  4. Clarify Purpose of Visit:
    • Detailed Itinerary: Provide a day-by-day plan of activities during his stay in Toronto.
    • Invitation Letter: Write a comprehensive invitation letter explaining the purpose of his visit, how long he will stay, and affirming his intention to return home.
  5. Address Previous Refusal Directly:
    • Explanation Letter: Write a letter addressing the reasons for the previous refusal and explaining the steps taken to resolve those issues.
  6. Avoid Reliance on Your Finances:
    • While your support is valuable, it's crucial for the applicant to demonstrate financial independence. Emphasize his ability to fund his trip.
 
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Egi_H

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Dec 25, 2017
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Understanding the Difference Between Your Brother's and Parents' Applications:

You've provided additional information that your brother earns about $2,500 per month and planned to bring $2,000 for his stay. You also mentioned that you would support him financially if needed. In contrast, your parents' TRV applications were approved even though they declared bringing $0, relying entirely on your support.

Possible Reasons for Refusal:

  1. Insufficient Financial Independence:
    • Brother's Application: The visa officer may have perceived your brother as not being financially independent enough. Relying partly on your funds might have raised concerns about his ability to support himself.
    • Parents' Application: It's more common and acceptable for parents to be financially supported by their children during visits, especially if they are retired or not working.
  2. Lack of Strong Ties to Home Country:
    • Brother's Application: As a young, working individual without significant assets or dependents, your brother might not have demonstrated strong enough reasons to return home.
    • Parents' Application: Your parents may have stronger ties, such as property ownership, social commitments, or other dependents, which assure the visa officer of their intention to return.
  3. Purpose of Visit Not Clearly Defined:
    • The visa officer may have felt that the purpose of your brother's visit wasn't thoroughly explained or documented, making it seem inconsistent with a short-term stay.
How to Improve Your Brother's Next Application:

  1. Enhance Financial Documentation:
    • Personal Funds: Provide evidence of your brother's savings, bank statements, and any investments to show financial stability.
    • Proof of Assets: If he owns property or other significant assets, include official documents as proof.
  2. Strengthen Employment Evidence:
    • Employer Letter: Obtain a detailed letter from his employer confirming his position, salary, length of employment, and approved leave dates.
    • Employment Contract: Include a copy of his employment contract if available.
  3. Demonstrate Strong Ties to Home Country:
    • Family Obligations: If he has dependents or family members he cares for, provide documentation.
    • Community Involvement: Include evidence of any community service, memberships, or commitments.
  4. Clarify Purpose of Visit:
    • Detailed Itinerary: Provide a day-by-day plan of activities during his stay in Toronto.
    • Invitation Letter: Write a comprehensive invitation letter explaining the purpose of his visit, how long he will stay, and affirming his intention to return home.
  5. Address Previous Refusal Directly:
    • Explanation Letter: Write a letter addressing the reasons for the previous refusal and explaining the steps taken to resolve those issues.
  6. Avoid Reliance on Your Finances:
    • While your support is valuable, it's crucial for the applicant to demonstrate financial independence. Emphasize his ability to fund his trip.
Thanks very much pal for the effort you put in your reply. That's the type of answer I was looking for. I already ordered the GCMS notes, so once I get them, I will share the details.

  • Purpose of Visit Not Clearly Defined:
    • The visa officer may have felt that the purpose of your brother's visit wasn't thoroughly explained or documented, making it seem inconsistent with a short-term stay
Me: The purpose of visit was to see me at my place and explore Toronto and its attraction sites for two weeks. I put the same description when my parents came too. I was surprised the visa officer said the visit's length doesn't match with its purpose.
 

Egi_H

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Dec 25, 2017
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Would order GCMS notes to see if you can get more details about concerns so you can address them. Do your parents have a supervisa? Have they visit Canada and if so for how long? What is his citizenship? Assume he lives in his home country.
I already ordered the GCMS notes, I am waiting for them now. My parents have regular TRVs, not supervisas. My mother was here for 2 weeks a while ago. My father hasn't used his new visa yet, but he was here 16 years ago invited by another relative as a tourist on a six-month visa. He went back home after three months at that time. So, my parents didn't overstay their TRVs.
 

canuck78

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I already ordered the GCMS notes, I am waiting for them now. My parents have regular TRVs, not supervisas. My mother was here for 2 weeks a while ago. My father hasn't used his new visa yet, but he was here 16 years ago invited by another relative as a tourist on a six-month visa. He went back home after three months at that time. So, my parents didn't overstay their TRVs.
There can be concerns if all of the family has applied for TRVs because if your parents attempt to visit Canada for an extended amount of time then there more incentive for your single brother to try to remain in Canada on a more permanent basis.
 

Egi_H

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Dec 25, 2017
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There can be concerns if all of the family has applied for TRVs because if your parents attempt to visit Canada for an extended amount of time then there more incentive for your single brother to try to remain in Canada on a more permanent basis.
I don’t know how much their visas might have affected his application. The officer didn’t mention strong ties to Canada or weak ties to home country. He mentioned only “you are not financially established in your home country.”
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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I don’t know how much their visas might have affected his application. The officer didn’t mention strong ties to Canada or weak ties to home country. He mentioned only “you are not financially established in your home country.”
VO highlighted 3 reasons for the refusals not just finances
 

Egi_H

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Dec 25, 2017
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I just got the GCMS notes.

"I have reviewed the application. I have considered the following factors in my decision. The purpose of the applicant’s visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details provided in the application.

The applicant’s current employment situation does not show that they are financially established in their country of residence. PA provides limited evidence of ties to COR, including financial, economical, and emotional ties. Weighing the factors in this application,

I am not satisfied that the applicant will depart Canada at the end of the period authorized for their stay. For the reason above, I have refused this application."
 

canuck78

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I just got the GCMS notes.

"I have reviewed the application. I have considered the following factors in my decision. The purpose of the applicant’s visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details provided in the application.

The applicant’s current employment situation does not show that they are financially established in their country of residence. PA provides limited evidence of ties to COR, including financial, economical, and emotional ties. Weighing the factors in this application,

I am not satisfied that the applicant will depart Canada at the end of the period authorized for their stay. For the reason above, I have refused this application."
This essentially confirms what others had already commented.
 
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