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billysilva

Member
Jul 23, 2024
10
1
Dear seniors,

My application was refused due to my Letter of Employment apparently not being convincing to the verifier. I can reach out to my previous employer and request a new letter, following an exact template of the rules. The letter I attached probably lacks some data... such as it does not mention the NOC, or something else. Is it possible for me to appeal this decision by sending a new letter or is this a lost cause? This has been brutal news for my family and I..

Thank you for your time.

Below is the refusal letter:

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) invited you to apply for permanent
resident status based on the qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. In your
Express Entry profile you indicated you possess 50 CRS points for Skills Transferability/Foreign
Work Experience including the following list of employments:

• Declared Foreign Work Experience: ...

In support of this declared foreign employment you provided a Letter of Employment (LOE)
however, I note there are no job duties listed on this letter. Overall, I find that there is insufficient
evidence on file to satisfy me on a balance of probabilities that you have performed the lead
statement and a substantial number of the main duties of NOC 21100 for this declared
employment. As a result, I will not be including this period of employment in the calculation of
your Skills Transferability – Foreign Work Experience worth 50 CRS points. The Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, pursuant to
section 10.3(a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (b), gives the annexed Ministerial
Instructions Respecting the Express Entry System and these instructions provide assessment
requirements. As per these instructions set out in section 25(1) and 25(2) as follows:

Foreign work experience
25 (1) For the purposes of sections 23 and 24, foreign work experience is work experience that:
(a) is acquired by a foreign national outside Canada in one or more occupations listed in
TEER Category 0, 1, 2 or 3 of the National Occupational Classification;
(b) consists of full-time work experience, or the full-time equivalent for part-time work
experience, with one or more employers;
(c) is acquired within the 10-year period preceding the day on which points are assigned to
the foreign national under section 23 or subsection 24(1); and
(d) is remunerated by the payment of wages or a commission.
Requirements:
(2) In order to be assigned points under section 23 or 24 for their foreign work experience, a
foreign national
(a) must specify in their expression of interest the five-digit code in the National
Occupational Classification that corresponds to each of the occupations they have
engaged in while accumulating their foreign work experience; and
(b) must have performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation as
set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification, as
well as a substantial number of the main duties, including all essential duties, as set out
in the National Occupational Classification.

As I have found that you no longer possess the qualification on the basis of which you were
ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h), you no longer meet the
requirements of Section 11.2 of Act. In accordance with section 11.2 of the Act, I am refusing
your application because I have found that you do not possess the qualification on the basis of
which you were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1). This change in your
qualifications resulted in a loss of 12 CRS points, decreasing your CRS score from 546 to 534,
and brought your rank below the lowest ranking person who was invited to apply in your round,
under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking System. The lowest point score in the round
of invitation that the you were invited to was 543 CRS points. Following this examination of your
application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the Act and Regulations for the
reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.

You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid.
The decision communicated in this letter constitutes the definitive and final decision on your
present application. Your application will be retained, under current Government of Canada file
retention guidelines, for a period of two years. Your application forms and supporting documents
will not be returned to you. If you should submit a new application it would require new fees and
documentation and would need to meet all the requirements in effect at the time the application
is submitted.
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an
Express Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for
Express Entry from any private job board websites, if you used any.
If you still want to come to Canada as a skilled immigrant, you may take steps to improve your
competitiveness and register for Express Entry at a later date. For example, you may try to
improve your language score or gain a higher level of education. However, you must meet the
minimum requirements to enter the Express Entry pool and there is no guarantee that you will
be issued another invitation to apply for permanent residence under one of the immigration
programs subject to Express Entry.
Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada.
 

iSaidGoodDay

VIP Member
Feb 3, 2023
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Dear seniors,

My application was refused due to my Letter of Employment apparently not being convincing to the verifier. I can reach out to my previous employer and request a new letter, following an exact template of the rules. The letter I attached probably lacks some data... such as it does not mention the NOC, or something else. Is it possible for me to appeal this decision by sending a new letter or is this a lost cause? This has been brutal news for my family and I..

Thank you for your time.

Below is the refusal letter:

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) invited you to apply for permanent
resident status based on the qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. In your
Express Entry profile you indicated you possess 50 CRS points for Skills Transferability/Foreign
Work Experience including the following list of employments:

• Declared Foreign Work Experience: ...

In support of this declared foreign employment you provided a Letter of Employment (LOE)
however, I note there are no job duties listed on this letter. Overall, I find that there is insufficient
evidence on file to satisfy me on a balance of probabilities that you have performed the lead
statement and a substantial number of the main duties of NOC 21100 for this declared
employment. As a result, I will not be including this period of employment in the calculation of
your Skills Transferability – Foreign Work Experience worth 50 CRS points. The Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, pursuant to
section 10.3(a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (b), gives the annexed Ministerial
Instructions Respecting the Express Entry System and these instructions provide assessment
requirements. As per these instructions set out in section 25(1) and 25(2) as follows:

Foreign work experience
25 (1) For the purposes of sections 23 and 24, foreign work experience is work experience that:
(a) is acquired by a foreign national outside Canada in one or more occupations listed in
TEER Category 0, 1, 2 or 3 of the National Occupational Classification;
(b) consists of full-time work experience, or the full-time equivalent for part-time work
experience, with one or more employers;
(c) is acquired within the 10-year period preceding the day on which points are assigned to
the foreign national under section 23 or subsection 24(1); and
(d) is remunerated by the payment of wages or a commission.
Requirements:
(2) In order to be assigned points under section 23 or 24 for their foreign work experience, a
foreign national
(a) must specify in their expression of interest the five-digit code in the National
Occupational Classification that corresponds to each of the occupations they have
engaged in while accumulating their foreign work experience; and
(b) must have performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation as
set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification, as
well as a substantial number of the main duties, including all essential duties, as set out
in the National Occupational Classification.

As I have found that you no longer possess the qualification on the basis of which you were
ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h), you no longer meet the
requirements of Section 11.2 of Act. In accordance with section 11.2 of the Act, I am refusing
your application because I have found that you do not possess the qualification on the basis of
which you were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1). This change in your
qualifications resulted in a loss of 12 CRS points, decreasing your CRS score from 546 to 534,
and brought your rank below the lowest ranking person who was invited to apply in your round,
under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking System. The lowest point score in the round
of invitation that the you were invited to was 543 CRS points. Following this examination of your
application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the Act and Regulations for the
reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.

You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid.
The decision communicated in this letter constitutes the definitive and final decision on your
present application. Your application will be retained, under current Government of Canada file
retention guidelines, for a period of two years. Your application forms and supporting documents
will not be returned to you. If you should submit a new application it would require new fees and
documentation and would need to meet all the requirements in effect at the time the application
is submitted.
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an
Express Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for
Express Entry from any private job board websites, if you used any.
If you still want to come to Canada as a skilled immigrant, you may take steps to improve your
competitiveness and register for Express Entry at a later date. For example, you may try to
improve your language score or gain a higher level of education. However, you must meet the
minimum requirements to enter the Express Entry pool and there is no guarantee that you will
be issued another invitation to apply for permanent residence under one of the immigration
programs subject to Express Entry.
Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada.
Did they issue you a PFL and you responded to the PFL and were subsequently rejected?
 

billysilva

Member
Jul 23, 2024
10
1
No, I have not received a PFL.

Confirmation of Online Application Transmission - February 2024
Biometrics - April 2024
Medical Exams - April 2024
Refusal letter - July 2024
 

billysilva

Member
Jul 23, 2024
10
1
Thank you for your responses!

I was already creating a new profile and I realized that perhaps there was a mistake on their point calculation for this refusal.. please help me understand the points, specifically for the CRS - Skill Transferability - Foreign Work Experience.

How are the points for this category calculated? On my application I had C2/10-12 on all 4 English skills, 1.5y+ of Canadian experience, and 7y of foreign work on my history among 3 jobs: 4y (Brazil) + 1y (Brazil) + 2y (US). The job mentioned in the Refusal Letter (which indeed does not have duties well described) is from the 2y US job. Would that justify the officer taking away 12 CRS points? If so, do you know why?
 

CanGoldDigger

Hero Member
Feb 17, 2024
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166
Ottawa
Thank you for your responses!

I was already creating a new profile and I realized that perhaps there was a mistake on their point calculation for this refusal.. please help me understand the points, specifically for the CRS - Skill Transferability - Foreign Work Experience.

How are the points for this category calculated? On my application I had C2/10-12 on all 4 English skills, 1.5y+ of Canadian experience, and 7y of foreign work on my history among 3 jobs: 4y (Brazil) + 1y (Brazil) + 2y (US). The job mentioned in the Refusal Letter (which indeed does not have duties well described) is from the 2y US job. Would that justify the officer taking away 12 CRS points? If so, do you know why?

Eligibility for Express Entry programs: Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) Criteria

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/criteria-comprehensive-ranking-system/grid.html
 
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billysilva

Member
Jul 23, 2024
10
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Thanks! That's exactly where I checked. Also, while creating the new profile, I only added my 1y Brazil job and it already shows that I have 50 points on CRS - Skill Transferability - Foreign Work Experience. So, why am I getting 50 points with just 1y of foreign experience listed? Could that mean the 12 CRS points reduction* was a mistake?
 
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CanGoldDigger

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Thanks! That's exactly where I checked. Also, while creating the new profile, I only added my 1y Brazil job and it already shows that I have 50 points on CRS - Skill Transferability - Foreign Work Experience. So, why am I getting 50 points with just 1y of foreign experience listed? Could that mean the 12 CRS points was a mistake?
You lost 12 points for Foreign work experience

See Foreign work experience – With good official language proficiency (Canadian Language Benchmark Level [CLB] 7 or higher)

You had 25 and after the recalculation 13.
 
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billysilva

Member
Jul 23, 2024
10
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You lost 12 points for Foreign work experience

See Foreign work experience – With good official language proficiency (Canadian Language Benchmark Level [CLB] 7 or higher)

You had 25 and after the recalculation 13.
Thanks for pointing me to that section. The 12 points reduction now make a bit more sense. I'm trying to pin down exactly so I do not risk having that happen again. I apologize if I'm missing something obvious, but could you pls help me understand which scenario might have happened?

From my understanding of that section, there are 4 categories that could lead to Foreign work experience points. How do they chose which scenario to calculate points if both occur?

There are 2 scenarios where one loses 12 points in Foreign work experience points. Going from 3 years or more of foreign work experience to 1 or 2 years of foreign work experience on either Points for foreign work experience + 1 year of Canadian work experience or Points for foreign work experience + CLB 7 or more on all first official language abilities, one or more under 9.

At the time I sent my documents I had: 1.5y of Canadian Experience, CBL 10-12, and 4y (Brazil) + 1y (Brazil) + 2y (US) of foreign work. I can't see which scenario could lead to the 12 points reduction. Could it be that another job was also not considered but not mentioned in the letter? If for example they also not considered the 4y Brazil job, wouldn't I still have 25 points for having 1 or 2 years of foreign work experience + Points for foreign work experience + CLB 9 or more on all four first official language abilities ?
 
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CanGoldDigger

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Feb 17, 2024
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Initially you got 25 points for 3+ years of foreign experience. Then your US experience reference didn't comply and you lost 2 years, that's why you get only 13 points for 1 year of foreign experience.

How many years of proved foreign experience you have within the last 10 years?
 

billysilva

Member
Jul 23, 2024
10
1
Initially you got 25 points for 3+ years of foreign experience. Then your US experience reference didn't comply and you lost 2 years, that's why you get only 13 points for 1 year of foreign experience.

How many years of proved foreign experience you have within the last 10 years?
I have 5 years of proved foreign experience. Mar 2015 to Feb 2019 and Mar 2019 to Feb 2020. I assume work I have done in my home country counts as foreign experience.
 

billysilva

Member
Jul 23, 2024
10
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Mar 2015 to Feb 2019, Mar 2019 to Feb 2020, and Feb 2020 to Feb 2022 (this last period is the one that was rejected in the refusal letter).
 

billysilva

Member
Jul 23, 2024
10
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Yes, those NOCs are eligible (NOC 21100), as far as I know. The letters for those 2 periods (Mar 2015 to Feb 2019, Mar 2019 to Feb 2020) are much more detailed as I drafted them and asked the supervisor to sign it. The one that was rejected was made by the department I worked.

Edit: Just checked my ITA and it says that I received 50 points for the Foreign Work Experience Criteria. So now I'm even less sure on how the -12 pts happened.