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[Lord_Tony]

This is a huge myth. Most of these kids are not fooled. They know exactly what’s happening in Canada. They just want to get into Canada by whatever means possible. They know that they won’t qualify for PR so they use diploma mills to enter Canada. I’m sure most of them don’t give a crap about getting a good education either. I have never seen this form of desperation from any other nationality apart from Indians. Canadian diploma mills have latched onto that fact. We are a special breed. I left India years ago so I’m not aware of the economic situation in India but I’m amazed at the fact that despite the news claiming that India has grown significantly, the youth of India are looking to get out by any means necessary. That’s what Modi should be focusing on. Finding out the cause of this desperation.

I can tell you most South East Asians including Filipinos, Most Africans and lot of the Arabic immigrants are not any different from the Indians you have seen.

 

[Lord_Tony]

The H1B visa is literally a lottery and a significant number of them go to tech consulting sweat shops, which are filled with subpar tech workers from India. The idea that everyone under a H1B, is highly skilled, is a myth.

Yes the outsourcing market screwed the H1B and the L1A/B visas for more than 2 decades now. I heard one of my Pakistani subordinate's who is eager to get a L1B but I don't support his case, he daily grumbles that a lot of 25 year old Indians who get green cards using some loophole in the L1A visa whereas I don't let him migrate.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

I know a few of the others in this forum have previously corrected you when you were attacking Indians. I take no pleasure in writing against your poor opinion of Indians. As a non Indian working in the Technology consulting field for almost 20 years with 2 BIG4 firm experience, what I can tell you is most US origin technology workers are Sub-par too, the exceptions are FAANG and few others in the cutting edge fields . Only reason the others survive are1) no need for Visas and employer documentation/legal fee, 2) superior language skills. So you shouldn't be surprised that sub-par quality Indians are replacing them. Those Indians are replacing Americans who are equally inferior I would call it a fair swap. At-least Asians and Africans think and have some IQ and EQ which those Americans don't have, only thing they can do is make racist rants in those forums in FB, Twitter, Quora, Reddit. The bigger problem you should be concerned is are the Tech workers coming to Canada are even worse than those in the USA doing low end work, after getting Canadian citizenship get TN visa to go and replace more Americans.

You and the others misunderstood my previous statements then. My statements about a specific group of Indians are real facts and not something I pulled out of my butt. You can read about them in news articles online if you don’t believe me. The reality is that the truth hurts and may be offensive to a lot of people. I was just reiterating the point that contrary to what certain nationalistic Indians might try to say, we Indians are the same as every other nationality. We aren’t better nor worse than other groups.

It’s the same for H1B workers as well. There are highly skilled ones who work at FAANG companies and there are subpar ones who work for the sweatshops. You can read all about the sweatshops online. I’m not making things up. Don’t take my word for it. What I find ironical is that you guys are desperate to move to countries like America and then you literally shit on the people who built the country and invited you to work in their country. Calling American technology workers as inferior when they’re the ones who built the organisations you work for, takes the cake. Now, whether the tech workers coming into Canada are subpar is none of my concern and I don’t even believe it’s the truth. It’s just a statement coming out of your mouth.

 

[Lord_Tony]

You and the others misunderstood my previous statements then. My statements about a specific group of Indians are real facts and not something I pulled out of my butt. You can read about them in news articles online if you don’t believe me. The reality is that the truth hurts and may be offensive to a lot of people. I was just reiterating the point that contrary to what certain nationalistic Indians might try to say, we Indians are the same as every other nationality. We aren’t better nor worse than other groups.

It’s the same for H1B workers as well. There are highly skilled ones who work at FAANG companies and there are subpar ones who work for the sweatshops. You can read all about the sweatshops online. I’m not making things up. Don’t take my word for it. What I find ironical is that you guys are desperate to move to countries like America and then you literally shit on the people who built the country and invited you to work in their country. Calling American technology workers as inferior when they’re the ones who built the organisations you work for, takes the cake. Now, whether the tech workers coming into Canada are subpar is none of my concern and I don’t even believe it’s the truth. It’s just a statement coming out of your mouth.

I know very well what you are talking about IT outsourcers, including those in India. We have enough of this problem in the Philippines also. The the term used for Indian IT companies - sweat shops is gross, whoever framed the term unfortunately doesn't know that experience is the same in majority of the IT companies across the world including USA is like that long hours and very ordinary pay and sublime quality of technology work.

On the second topic you are entitled to your opinion, I can very well understand the attitude of some Asians who people respect westerners more. I see that daily in my own family who think Americans are superiors than Filipinos or other Asians and try to preach to others to looks down at ourselves/cultures and praise and look-up at westerners. This behavior is often involuntary and I don't feel it will change. My dad was a mechanic for Americans in the Philippines and still will bend over to please any white man/woman. My uncle moved to USA in the early 80's, even today defends racist behavior of Texans to me, tells me it is their land it is their right right to abuse us...
I trying to move to Australia/Canada doesn't mean I should shut my mouth and not try to call out the inferior / incorrect things in the respective countries or people. All these are a countries have freedom of expression. I needn't tolerate racist behavior or poor quality work done by westerners. I'm not a slave owned by western masters and tow the racist lines of the citizens of the respective countries.

You are wrong on one item though on who built America. It is not the subpar US origin IT workers who built it, It is their hard working forefathers who built it. Most of their forefathers are immigrants themselves. The ones still fueling the growth of USA are the innovators and those who work in R&D, cutting edge STEM etc... not those doing low end jobs in IT which get replaced by H1B/L1A/B immigrants. Yes majority of the American innovators 84% supposedly are those born there. However remember
1) Immigrants even though only 16% of the innovators are even more productive than the American inventors
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-28/us-immigrants-generate-36-of-nation-s-innovation-paper-shows#xj4y7vzkg
yes there will more Jews and Chinese there but still they are immigrants like us.
2) America has a real problem with losing productivity. This is not only in IT but also in every other area. My wife is an agriculturalist she daily talks about American agriculture productivity.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/07/1126967875/quiet-quitting-productivity-workers-ennui-working-jobs

I don't believe I will change your attitude towards India or Indians but mate I wanted to state some facts here.

 

[GandiBaat]

I know very well what you are talking about IT outsourcers, including those in India. We have enough of this problem in the Philippines also. The the term used for Indian IT companies - sweat shops is gross, whoever framed the term unfortunately doesn't know that experience is the same in majority of the IT companies across the world including USA is like that long hours and very ordinary pay and sublime quality of technology work.

On the second topic you are entitled to your opinion, I can very well understand the attitude of some Asians who people respect westerners more. I see that daily in my own family who think Americans are superiors than Filipinos or other Asians and try to preach to others to looks down at ourselves/cultures and praise and look-up at westerners. This behavior is often involuntary and I don't feel it will change. My dad was a mechanic for Americans in the Philippines and still will bend over to please any white man/woman. My uncle moved to USA in the early 80's, even today defends racist behavior of Texans to me, tells me it is their land it is their right right to abuse us...
I trying to move to Australia/Canada doesn't mean I should shut my mouth and not try to call out the inferior / incorrect things in the respective countries or people. All these are a countries have freedom of expression. I needn't tolerate racist behavior or poor quality work done by westerners. I'm not a slave owned by western masters and tow the racist lines of the citizens of the respective countries.

You are wrong on one item though on who built America. It is not the subpar US origin IT workers who built it, It is their hard working forefathers who built it. Most of their forefathers are immigrants themselves. The ones still fueling the growth of USA are the innovators and those who work in R&D, cutting edge STEM etc... not those doing low end jobs in IT which get replaced by H1B/L1A/B immigrants. Yes majority of the American innovators 84% supposedly are those born there. However remember
1) Immigrants even though only 16% of the innovators are even more productive than the American inventors
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-28/us-immigrants-generate-36-of-nation-s-innovation-paper-shows#xj4y7vzkg
yes there will more Jews and Chinese there but still they are immigrants like us.
2) America has a real problem with losing productivity. This is not only in IT but in every other area. My wife is an Agriculturalist they daily talks about American agriculture productivity.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/07/1126967875/quiet-quitting-productivity-workers-ennui-working-jobs

I don't believe I will change your attitude towards India or Indians but mate I wanted to state some facts here.

I don't think there is any point to telling him...

He can not tell the difference between "Speciality Profession" and "Highly Skilled".

H1B does not really evaluate skills, it DOES test if the job requires a specialist and if the person applying is a specialist. It also seeks labour condition application. Thats it!

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Yes the outsourcing market screwed the H1B and the L1A/B visas for more than 2 decades now. I heard one of my Pakistani subordinate's who is eager to get a L1B but I don't support his case, he daily grumbles that a lot of 25 year old Indians who get green cards using some loophole in the L1A visa whereas I don't let him migrate.

Can you educate me on L1A visa a little bit? What factors matter on whether it is approved? Country of application, citizenship, company size, salary? Asking for a friend

 

[GandiBaat]

Can you educate me on L1A visa a little bit? What factors matter on whether it is approved? Country of application, citizenship, company size, salary? Asking for a friend

All of them.

It is fairly difficult to get it approved from India. Much easier to get it approved from Canada.

If you have a first world passport its easier than an Indian passport. Indian/Global South (TM) passport can attract "administrative processing".

If your company is well know, it is easier. If it is a three men and a goat, its harder. Counter intuitively, if your company is big one, it is likely VO will remember the reasons given for you having specialized knowledge. A lot of my friends have been called out for saying exact same lawyer recommended BS that their colleagues have said.

I think most companies will work out salary properly, unless it is a really weird one.

 

[Lord_Tony]

Can you educate me on L1A visa a little bit? What factors matter on whether it is approved? Country of application, citizenship, company size, salary? Asking for a friend

L1A is for Managers, folks think it is for IT, but in reality it is not necessarily in IT. Whenever I go to the USA embassy I see all these folks from all walks like most of them not-IT telling stories to visa officers and surprisingly get their L1As quite easily. The embassy VO check the role one plays in managing personnel in the company, a hierarchy, a budget, approving timesheets, performance appraisals, they see that you manage a department etc.. You will be surprised that the HR / other general admin like building managers or security officers are the ones who surprisingly often get L1A because of the nature of the asks in this visa from the USA governments and the applicants affinity to companies senior leadership, legal and immigration etc...
The L1B is a very tricky one, yes outsourcing firms companies use it to get junior developers who didn't get a h1b. If the interviewee gets a nice officer they might get it if they end with a angry person, the VO will dig if the person knows any Company proprietary or IP which the applicant brings often subjective and can be rejected. If the person has the right company specific IP or proprietary skills yes the applicant is in a good zone.

 

[Lord_Tony]

I don't know what loophole which Indian 25 year old use though, nor had the patience to research that. I should qualify for a L1A. I may choose do that after becoming a Canadian citizen and kids graduate I'll be almost 50 then.
My office clown is so low IQ, he doesn't get it I by not approving his case for L1B, am saving him from a potential black listing in the USA gov. His does no Company proprietary or IP work hence doesn't qualify. If he gets a bad visa officer, after a visa rejection he will lose his ability to do visa less travel to the USA as naturalized Canadian citizen.
He is so determined I'm doing this to show superiority goes around emailing the HR and other big bosses who also ignore him. Grow-up mate.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

I don't know what loophole which Indian 25 year old use though, nor had the patience to research that. I should qualify for a L1A. I may choose do that after becoming a Canadian citizen and kids graduate I'll be almost 50 then.
My office clown is so low IQ, he doesn't get it I by not approving his case for L1B, am saving him from a potential black listing in the USA gov. His does no Company proprietary or IP work hence doesn't qualify. If he gets a bad visa officer, after a visa rejection he will lose his ability to do visa less travel to the USA as naturalized Canadian citizen.
He is so determined I'm doing this to show superiority goes around emailing the HR and other big bosses who also ignore him. Grow-up mate.

Let him blacklist himself lol

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

L1A is for Managers, folks think it is for IT, but in reality it is not necessarily in IT. Whenever I go to the USA embassy I see all these folks from all walks like most of them not-IT telling stories to visa officers and surprisingly get their L1As quite easily. The embassy VO check the role one plays in managing personnel in the company, a hierarchy, a budget, approving timesheets, performance appraisals, they see that you manage a department etc.. You will be surprised that the HR / other general admin like building managers or security officers are the ones who surprisingly often get L1A because of the nature of the asks in this visa from the USA governments and the applicants affinity to companies senior leadership, legal and immigration etc...
The L1B is a very tricky one, yes outsourcing firms companies use it to get junior developers who didn't get a h1b. If the interviewee gets a nice officer they might get it if they end with a angry person, the VO will dig if the person knows any Company proprietary or IP which the applicant brings often subjective and can be rejected. If the person has the right company specific IP or proprietary skills yes the applicant is in a good zone.

Interesting. I'll need to look into the L1b

 

[tumblewit]

I have no idea where you got this info about all H1B workers being masters graduates. Indian consulting firms like TCS and Infosys send thousands of tech workers to the US every year. Many of them who have subpar language and technical skills. My own brother has worked with them and he’s claimed that a lot of them have garbage communication skills and have difficulty forming emails. They’re literally offered as cheap labour alternatives for American workers. It’s only the FAANG companies who recruit the cream of the crop from India and other countries.

We were talking about study route not direct route. Masters vs graduate certificate. H1B vs WorkPermit+PR

 

[tumblewit]

I have seen enough people from USC stay in US that I do not think there is any kind of merit involved in visa decisions anywhere. USC gives admission to anyone with a pulse and big enough money bag.

USC never was a top school. I don't know why people thought it was something special. USC was designed for California students who were mostly celebrities or their children. They are the type of school that doesn't need to do research or prove anything to get grants. They automatically get them from Hollywood parents.

 

[tumblewit]

Why will USCIS go through so much trouble to do it "internally"? Do you think bureaucrats are policy makers? They are executors and will not put any further effort than needed. If US government WANTS that policy, they will add conditions to H1B. Remember, USCIS will have to also defend their decisions if they are challenged in court. If such details leak out or found out, it will be much bigger trouble for them.

If they declare it's not a lottery or add conditions openly, then it means the applications and demand for it drops drastically and America becomes a less attractive destination. By calling it a lottery, people will like to enrol and know their chances of winning it. Visa rejections can be challenged in court, but USCIS doesn't need to show its system in public court with public records. That would be a national security problem.

Things like these have a security clearance level to access. it's not the next iPhone that leaks around. Just based on talking to friends who went to MIT and CMU and CalTech I can tell you they never hear visa rejections from their cohort unless they really goof up their applications. They aren't even asked questions at interviews (happened to me too).

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

We were talking about study route not direct route. Masters vs graduate certificate. H1B vs WorkPermit+PR

Tbh from what I've heard, even US Master's programs are full of Indians and Chinese and educational standards are lower than research programs. Most have never heard of plagiarism. 90% of Americans unless they got for a PhD don't pursue Master's