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Canada2020eh

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Yes, we both were. Even if we were not, having enough funds for support should be enough. Otherwise, it will be discriminatory since Express Entry applicants will have more favorable treatment by IRCC.
Trying to tell IRCC that's it's discrimination won't get you very far in their eyes. But if your wife is out of the country because she is following you for your job then that should be ok. It is totally different than a CDN who is an expat just living outside CDA and not working, applying and not planning to move back once PR is granted.
 

autoscriptor

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Trying to tell IRCC that's it's discrimination won't get you very far in their eyes. But if your wife is out of the country because she is following you for your job then that should be ok. It is totally different than a CDN who is an expat just living outside CDA and not working, applying and not planning to move back once PR is granted.
Nothing in my post suggests an applicant should invoke a discrimination claim.
 

Sonikell

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This is just a side note.

In 2019, my wife and I lived exclusively outside Canada and had no immediate plans to return. I'm a citizen, and my wife just had a TRV she used whenever we would visit the country. When entering Canada that year, we were asked to see an immigration officer at the airport. The officer asked why my wife didn't apply for permanent residency. We told him we didn't have immediate plans to move to Canada. He seemed slightly irked, and he reached and grabbed a thick reference book from a shelf behind him. It was the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, in which he has many bookmarks. Without flipping through the book, he directly opened the page where he showed me that the wife of a Canadian citizen can apply for PR while the couple is living together abroad. He said that she can apply and acquire permanent residency, and even if you don't have plans to return to Canada, her PR can be renewed while we live together.

I know there is a requirement to outline plans for moving back to Canada, but what the officer said made me feel that as long as you hold a source of income wherever you are and you will provide proof that you will have enough funds to support you and your spouse when you move back to Canada, that will be enough. This is very similar to people who immigrate to Canada through Express Entry, for example. Express Entry candidates need proof of enough funds before they are given PRs. If that is the case with Express Entry candidates, then it should be at least the same for someone who is already a Citizen. I don't think they need a well-established source of income in Canada to be able to move back in with their non-Canadaian spouse.
that is so interesting.

Despite having travelled over a dozen times to Canada in the past ten years and despite being married, we were once taken for a secondary, where the officer literally was questioning my intentions to return to my home country.

and he was literally implying that I won’t return despite the fact that I was a working professional back home and I had never abused my Trv privileges ever In the last 20 years.

It was a very odd experience because I haven’t even experienced that level of questioning in the US.

Immigration officials are rarely extremely kind or polite And I Haven’t met too many of those yet but I’m glad you did that actually went out of their way to say hey you are on a Trv why Dont u get a pr…instead of implying you are a visitor and you will abuse your privileges.
 
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Edmegbc

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Oct 11, 2023
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Re LOE
I have been living in UK for 15 years (CAD citiszen)
Myself and my husband have now got all our paperwork for Outland but the intent to move back is stumping me
We have savings but will be moving back to my parents in BC and living with them- my stepmother has early onset dementia and I am returning to do homecare for her whilst my Husband looks for work as carpenter. We need to get her into routine before I get back to work and my father is still working full tkme
This is basically our plan, and I have letter
From my dad to support this
I’ve read on various forums that this can be as detailed or as vague but wanted to hear what others had put down at Canadians returning to live after PR
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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This is just a side note.

In 2019, my wife and I lived exclusively outside Canada and had no immediate plans to return. I'm a citizen, and my wife just had a TRV she used whenever we would visit the country. When entering Canada that year, we were asked to see an immigration officer at the airport. The officer asked why my wife didn't apply for permanent residency. We told him we didn't have immediate plans to move to Canada. He seemed slightly irked, and he reached and grabbed a thick reference book from a shelf behind him. It was the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, in which he has many bookmarks. Without flipping through the book, he directly opened the page where he showed me that the wife of a Canadian citizen can apply for PR while the couple is living together abroad. He said that she can apply and acquire permanent residency, and even if you don't have plans to return to Canada, her PR can be renewed while we live together.

I know there is a requirement to outline plans for moving back to Canada, but what the officer said made me feel that as long as you hold a source of income wherever you are and you will provide proof that you will have enough funds to support you and your spouse when you move back to Canada, that will be enough. This is very similar to people who immigrate to Canada through Express Entry, for example. Express Entry candidates need proof of enough funds before they are given PRs. If that is the case with Express Entry candidates, then it should be at least the same for someone who is already a Citizen. I don't think they need a well-established source of income in Canada to be able to move back in with their non-Canadaian spouse.
The border agent was likely unaware that IRCC has become much more strict when it comes to proof that citizens living abroad will be returning to Canada permanently after they sponsor their spouse. So many people were landing and leaving right away that IRCC now requires quite a lot of proof and many have receive PFLs and have to submit more proof at the end of the process. What you did was correct. Without moving back to Canada you spouse would have been denied PR.
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Re LOE
I have been living in UK for 15 years (CAD citiszen)
Myself and my husband have now got all our paperwork for Outland but the intent to move back is stumping me
We have savings but will be moving back to my parents in BC and living with them- my stepmother has early onset dementia and I am returning to do homecare for her whilst my Husband looks for work as carpenter. We need to get her into routine before I get back to work and my father is still working full tkme
This is basically our plan, and I have letter
From my dad to support this
I’ve read on various forums that this can be as detailed or as vague but wanted to hear what others had put down at Canadians returning to live after PR
Would include notice that you have given to your current employment. Notice if you are renting of proof of sale of your current home. You can add this information later on in the process because most will not have this information a year in advance. Proof that you are cutting ties in your current country and proof of moving. Any detailed discussions/ emails about your plans to move in with your parents to care your grandmother while your husbands finds a job and include an explanation of why your family has settled on this plan. For example if you have experience with caregiving.
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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I have a rental agreement with my tenant and I have requested him to vacate the property in March 2024 when 1year lease ends. How about a letter from my company stating that I will need to be back in Canada by a specific date. Will that strong the case?
A letter from your employer indicating that your are no longer able to work remotely and are required to come into to the Canadian office daily, weekly, etc. would be proof. If you are not actually intending to remain in Canada permanently are you aware that if your spouse lands and leaves soon after there is a good chance she may not be able to count the time abroad with a Canadian citizen towards her RO? Normally you have to show that a partner has spent time in Canada before moving abroad to count time together. If she lands and returns back to wherever you are currently living and returns to your current jobs, home, etc. she hasn’t accompanied you abroad. Would provide proof that you have sold, are selling or have given notice when it comes to your current home abroad. You can add proof that you are permanently moving to Canada later on in the process. Many couples are actually asked for further proof of moving later on in the process often before denial or before they given a PFL Others are given a PFL and then have to submit further proof. If your spouse is leaving their job in the country where you are currently living before the move to Canada proof of resignation and an exit plans would be proof that of moving to Canada.
 

tanveervora

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Oct 4, 2017
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A letter from your employer indicating that your are no longer able to work remotely and are required to come into to the Canadian office daily, weekly, etc. would be proof. If you are not actually intending to remain in Canada permanently are you aware that if your spouse lands and leaves soon after there is a good chance she may not be able to count the time abroad with a Canadian citizen towards her RO? Normally you have to show that a partner has spent time in Canada before moving abroad to count time together. If she lands and returns back to wherever you are currently living and returns to your current jobs, home, etc. she hasn’t accompanied you abroad. Would provide proof that you have sold, are selling or have given notice when it comes to your current home abroad. You can add proof that you are permanently moving to Canada later on in the process. Many couples are actually asked for further proof of moving later on in the process often before denial or before they given a PFL Others are given a PFL and then have to submit further proof. If your spouse is leaving their job in the country where you are currently living before the move to Canada proof of resignation and an exit plans would be proof that of moving to Canada.
Me and my wife plan to live in Canada after her PR and not planning to move anywhere else after she get her PR at least until she becomes a citizen. Though my work is permanently remote, I can ask my employer to provide me with a letter stating that I need to be back in the office as soon as my work is done here. We have a family business since 90 years and my father is retiring as he is 64 years now and not keeping good health. I have been outside canada since end of 2021 but have visited canada twice since then. We are selling part of our business and I came to assist my father at that time I was single, I recently got married and will move back to canada once we sell our part of the business and my wife gets PR
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Me and my wife plan to live in Canada after her PR and not planning to move anywhere else after she get her PR at least until she becomes a citizen. Though my work is permanently remote, I can ask my employer to provide me with a letter stating that I need to be back in the office as soon as my work is done here. We have a family business since 90 years and my father is retiring as he is 64 years now and not keeping good health. I have been outside canada since end of 2021 but have visited canada twice since then. We are selling part of our business and I came to assist my father at that time I was single, I recently got married and will move back to canada once we sell our part of the business and my wife gets PR
If your job will remain remote a letter from your employer won’t provide much proof. If your employer specifies that you need to come to the office in person when you return to Canada but you will continue working remotely you could technically go in person and then leave Canada the next day. If you need to be in Canada to coordinate the sale of the family business providing proof of why you need to be in Canada and that it would require you to be in Canada for a long period of time would be proof. If your spouse is currently working hopefully she will be able to provide proof that she is leaving that job and has given notice. She can add proof of giving notice after you know that your application has passed the halfway point for processing. Providing proof that you will be leaving your current home will also provide proof that you are returning to Canada. Every small little piece of information will add up to providing proof that you are returning to Canada to care for a family or so that your spouse can qualify for Canadian citizenship.