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[GandiBaat]

No point in doing something quietly. They need to something loudly to show strength.

Indeed! They can skin the cat different way however. Increase money required to settle in Canada as a student significantly by taking local rental price point at say 70 percentile (p70 ranking) for calculating minimum living funds. It will reduce students overall and especially Indians.

They can ask some humiliating security declaration/questionarrie based on a list of "security risk" countries. They can include Russia, India and Belarus in it as countries. They can force them to do Trump style "extreme vetting". So yeah they have options.

BUT.... there is a major road block.

You see, there are I guess 18 or so MPs in Canadian parliament who are either Sikh or may be ethnic Indians. So this will impact their constituents and their families the most. Sikhs and Punjabi form a major chunk of incoming people in Canada.

 

[safmach4]

Good article on Canada's (PM's) situation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-66885924.amp

 

[Islander216]

Ironically, Canada has become embroiled in this issue by default because so many Indians have immigrated to Canada, and they have brought their regional enmities with them, and now we have to deal with the consequences of that.

No one cares about this here except you guys. If you want to fight for independence, do it there not here and don't involve us in this.

That's what a lot of Canadians want to say but can't for fear of being labeled intolerant. But we all know it's the truth.

All the more reason why a lot of people want caps on immigration and international students, but the liberals have no concept of sustainability and ensuring that the demographics don't get out of control.

 

[GandiBaat]

Ironically, Canada has become embroiled in this issue by default because so many Indians have immigrated to Canada, and they have brought their regional enmities with them, and now we have to deal with the consequences of that.

This is not true. The person at the centre of all this came to Canada in 1997. Canada is embroiled in this because his violent activities were not checked or perhaps preserved due to some other hidden agenda.

This person is not a recent immigrant to Canada.

No one cares about this here except you guys. If you want to fight for independence, do it there not here and don't involve us in this.

That's what a lot of Canadians want to say but can't for fear of being labeled intolerant. But we all know it's the truth.

There are some loose ends to how he got the citizenship in the first place. He came to Canada on a fraudulent passport. So my guess is that there is more to it than meets the eye. Perhaps Canada or its strategic partners wanted him to stay in Canada.

 

[Islander216]

The demand side has definitely been affected by this disproportionate influx from India, which has made housing even more unaffordable. Almost 60% of PRs, and 40% of international students are from India, so you're stating things have been affected a lot by how badly they have regulated immigration here. Not to say this is the only reason for the housing crisis, but it has contributed a lot to the problem especially recently, when you factor there are more than 800k international students and they are accepting 500k new PR each year.

Canada is in a bad situation now because of poor governance and weak decision-making, India is in a worse situation because of longstanding systemic issues dealing with corruption, lack of development and infrastructure, a terrible mentality when it comes to public spaces.

 

[Islander216]

This is not true. The person at the centre of all this came to Canada in 1997. Canada is embroiled in this because his violent activities were not checked or perhaps preserved due to some other hidden agenda.

This person is not a recent immigrant to Canada.



There are some loose ends to how he got the citizenship in the first place. He came to Canada on a fraudulent passport. So my guess is that there is more to it than meets the eye. Perhaps Canada or its strategic partners wanted him to stay in Canada.

Yes, but at the same time, it's gaining traction more now because of the number of people who are here. Any movement is dead if it doesn't have enough popular support, and that support has been bolstered by immigration and the greater numbers on both sides of the debate which have come to Canada.

There are Khalistani separatists in the US and Australia too, but there isn't as much attention on them because there isn't as much popular support.

 

[Islander216]

I also want to say, I know it sounds like I'm blaming Indians but really it is the fault of the Canadian government, because we literally have no cap on international students, so of course these unscrupulous private colleges are going to try to accept as many international students as they can, because they pay more in tuition. On top of that, they have raised the number of PRs they are accepting to half a million each year, that's 1m people in 2 years, 2 million in 4 years, those are astronomical numbers. And the other aspect is, when you accept so many people from one donor country, this is bound to create issues because that's how ghettoization happens. You move to another country, you surround yourself with other people from your country of origin, and you don't feel the need to integrate and adopt the values of your host country.

I had a bad experience with a food delivery company, and everyone who was involved, the driver, the people in customer service, everyone was Indian. And you know what happened? They blamed me for the problem even though there is written proof that the person who did not deliver the food was clearly at fault and did not follow instructions.
They all banded together and said It was my fault, and they even ended up charging me for the food which was not delivered. That should not happened in a civilized country.

But it's also what happens when you accept too many people from one particular country, that instinct to stick together against everyone else develops.

Just like now there are many Indian controlled companies here who only employ other Indians, even if they are international students over citizens and PRs of another ethnicity. That mafia is developing here, it's our government's fault for not controlling the numbers.

Anything good in too great quantities ends up becoming something bad.

 

[seadrag0n]

 

[Psyoptica]

This thread never fails to entertain. Immigration is a complicated subject to discuss and people will have varying opinions. Howver in the case of Canada, the demographic shift towards one ethinc group in such short amount of time is what's making people uncomfortable. People will still have issues if there was a steady increase of immigrant skilled workers but the influx of refugees and international students in huge numbers has turned even the most immigrant friendly people against it.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Expect a lot more entertainment to come. 1.5millions newcomers coming and 100,000 houses built per year. People will pay to live in garages soon.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

I've answered your last question previously too. An upgrade doesn't mean the old thing was bad. Most who move to Canada, move illogically with unrealistic dreams eventually only to say "India was better" - where am I wrong? No one I met was like "I couldn't get a job and that's why I'm moving to Canada". Again, not saying Canada is bad, just saying that most had no idea why they moved.

Also, some of us are "testing" Canada. We will live there, see how it is, if it can't offer us peace, we will leave. I am someone who is beyond smaller visa restrictions and if needed can back to the US. This is not a flex, but a reality of how I personally operate. But, we've to keep the bar of respect higher to make sure someone who is from our country(or any country) doesn't feel bad for simply originating from it.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Yes, but at the same time, it's gaining traction more now because of the number of people who are here. Any movement is dead if it doesn't have enough popular support, and that support has been bolstered by immigration and the greater numbers on both sides of the debate which have come to Canada.

There are Khalistani separatists in the US and Australia too, but there isn't as much attention on them because there isn't as much popular support.

About US and AU, like UK - they've anti-terrorism laws that aren't broken. You should read about the loophole that exists within Canadian law that these folks are using to skip persecution.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

I've answered your last question previously too. An upgrade doesn't mean the old thing was bad. Most who move to Canada, move illogically with unrealistic dreams eventually only to say "India was better" - where am I wrong? No one I met was like "I couldn't get a job and that's why I'm moving to Canada". Again, not saying Canada is bad, just saying that most had no idea why they moved.

Also, some of us are "testing" Canada. We will live there, see how it is, if it can't offer us peace, we will leave. I am someone who is beyond smaller visa restrictions and if needed can back to the US. This is not a flex, but a reality of how I personally operate. But, we've to keep the bar of respect higher to make sure someone who is from our country(or any country) doesn't feel bad for simply originating from it.

You didn’t answer my question. You’re willing to leave your family, friends and culture behind because you think “Canada” is an upgrade but don’t think India is bad? What love do you actually have for India? A person who truly loves living in their home would never leave it for such nonsensical reasons. Plus, you also claim that if things don’t work out for you in Canada, you would leave for the US and not go back to India. Therefore, you actually don’t want to live in India. It’s like a man or a woman saying that they would like to divorce their partners not because they don’t love their partners but because they want to test loving other women or men.

 

[Islander216]

About US and AU, like UK - they've anti-terrorism laws that aren't broken. You should read about the loophole that exists within Canadian law that these folks are using to skip persecution.

I will definitely try to read up on it, but can I just ask you, if for the sake of argument there is credible evidence that the Indian government orchestrated this person's assassination, are you telling me that an extrajudicial killing is justified of a foreign citizen on their home soil, and at the hands of another democratic government?

This is what I don't understand, because I get that the culture in India is different, people are conditioned more to align themselves with authority figures and people in power, but at some point, there are definitely red lines you can't cross.

I'm sure the Indian government would be steaming mad if another country did the same on their territory.

 

[GandiBaat]

Yes, but at the same time, it's gaining traction more now because of the number of people who are here. Any movement is dead if it doesn't have enough popular support, and that support has been bolstered by immigration and the greater numbers on both sides of the debate which have come to Canada.

Errr... nope! To go down in reason is to go down in ... some very dirty politics of subcontinent. I can do it but it will get very ugly very fast. So lets leave it. The only thing I can say is, there are lot more actors in this mess than just India and Khalistanis..

There are Khalistani separatists in the US and Australia too, but there isn't as much attention on them because there isn't as much popular support.

Again, a lot has to do with melting pot and patches setup of individual countries. Surrey and Brampton are patches of Punjab. USA has more of a melting pot setup which forces assimilation.