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[GandiBaat]

One of the comment is from that "pretend Customs and Immigration Officer" who claims to be second gen immigrant, but seeing him/her spam the same exact comment from 4 years makes me feels he/she's not. That comment is difficult to ridicule as misleading though. Here it is (this person posts the same content from multiple account): https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/15fo84a/_/juej47a

I wonder how many of them are real and how many are astro-turfing bots trying to drum up support for PP.

 

[primestudio]

I wonder how many of them are real and how many are astro-turfing bots trying to drum up support for PP.

I don't think its fair to attribute bots to one particular party.
Those bots could have been associated with one or more state actor trying to stir up sentiments for their own geopolitical reason.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

I'm very confused by what's their plan right now: the cutoff score for 'No Program Specified' is basically going up, so it seems unless you are a part of the target draws, have a job offer (which needs LMIA), speak both French and English (which the french program should take care of), or PNP, it's pretty much impossible for you to get an ITA now from outland. I don't think even a PhD degree, which already has an ageing impact, will give you an ITA at the current score unless they do similar large draws like in March to bring down the score.

I might be a bit biased since I'm sitting at 481, but I thought it would make the most sense for them to at least maintain the 'No Program Specified' around 480 so that people who have a master's degree will have a chance from all occupations. It's not like Canada even provides some of the non-target occupations education well itself in the first place, e.g., Canada is not known for its Aerospace education. I understand the job market is small for these categories, but it's not like there are a lot of people planning to move to Canada under these categories either. It seems the target draw will only make some of the small and less 'popular' occupations have problems finding replacements down the road. That's never good...

Canada doesn’t really need other occupations. That’s the harsh reality. The country doesn’t need marketing specialists, artists, HR managers, food supervisors, fast food workers etc. right now. It needs healthcare workers, construction workers, tech workers etc. so it makes sense that for all other occupations, only the cream of the crop are required. If you don’t fill a job shortage, then you’ll have to be really good to get in. Hence, the high cut off score. Prospective immigrants will have to look at other countries if they cannot fulfill Canada’s needs. How would it benefit either Canada or new immigrants if there are no job shortage in those industries? Australia’s immigration system is structured around long term job shortages. Canada’s now following Australia’s path.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

I wonder how many of them are real and how many are astro-turfing bots trying to drum up support for PP.

He makes a very solid point though. There’s been an explosion of fake students from Punjab, India. A lot of them have no intention of gaining a solid education, which should be the primary purpose of studying abroad. Their main intention is to just get into Canada by whatever way possible, including fraud and forgery. This has resulted in a sizeable temporary underclass of low wage and low skilled workers. I use the word temporary because they have close to zero chance of ever gaining permanent residency and will eventually have to go back or remain as undocumented workers. The sudden influx of these kids has caused a massive strain on the infrastructure around Ontario and BC. They’ve also created an anti - Indian sentiment among other immigrants and Canadian born people.

 

[ImpatientDragon]

He makes a very solid point though. There’s been an explosion of fake students from Punjab, India. A lot of them have no intention of gaining a solid education, which should be the primary purpose of studying abroad. Their main intention is to just get into Canada by whatever way possible, including fraud and forgery. This has resulted in a sizeable temporary underclass of low wage and low skilled workers. I use the word temporary because they have close to zero chance of ever gaining permanent residency and will eventually have to go back or remain as undocumented workers. The sudden influx of these kids has caused a massive strain on the infrastructure around Ontario and BC. They’ve also created an anti - Indian sentiment among other immigrants and Canadian born people.

Agreed. Students should focus on studies but we all know how many of these students are really studying. IRCC needs to really figure out a way to stop this menace.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

Agreed. Students should focus on studies but we all know how many of these students are really studying. IRCC needs to really figure out a way to stop this menace.

IRCC controls visas so I guess they could cap the amount of students visas issued or limit the issuance of student visas to only public institutions. Currently, there’s no cap on the amount of student visas issued, which is bonkers. That’s the reason why there’s a huge temporary population in Canada, placing significant strain on housing stock and healthcare. The primary fault lies with the provincial governments. They’re the ones regulating the diploma mill private colleges. The provincial government is primarily driven by greed so they don’t have any urgency in capping the amount of international student enrolments nor do they want to regulate the private colleges. Due to the nation wide housing crisis and the tanking popularity of the liberals, I’m expecting significant reforms in relation to student visas from IRCC in the near future. They might introduce caps or limit student visas to public institutions only.

 

[seadrag0n]

He makes a very solid point though. There’s been an explosion of fake students from Punjab, India. A lot of them have no intention of gaining a solid education, which should be the primary purpose of studying abroad. Their main intention is to just get into Canada by whatever way possible, including fraud and forgery. This has resulted in a sizeable temporary underclass of low wage and low skilled workers. I use the word temporary because they have close to zero chance of ever gaining permanent residency and will eventually have to go back or remain as undocumented workers. The sudden influx of these kids has caused a massive strain on the infrastructure around Ontario and BC. They’ve also created an anti - Indian sentiment among other immigrants and Canadian born people.

Australian Universities Impose Ban on Indian Students from 6 States Amidst Fraudulent Visa Concerns

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Agreed. Students should focus on studies but we all know how many of these students are really studying. IRCC needs to really figure out a way to stop this menace.

It upsets a lot of folks here, but this is the truth.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

IRCC controls visas so I guess they could cap the amount of students visas issued or limit the issuance of student visas to only public institutions. Currently, there’s no cap on the amount of student visas issued, which is bonkers. That’s the reason why there’s a huge temporary population in Canada, placing significant strain on housing stock and healthcare. The primary fault lies with the provincial governments. They’re the ones regulating the diploma mill private colleges. The provincial government is primarily driven by greed so they don’t have any urgency in capping the amount of international student enrolments nor do they want to regulate the private colleges. Due to the nation wide housing crisis and the tanking popularity of the liberals, I’m expecting significant reforms in relation to student visas from IRCC in the near future. They might introduce caps or limit student visas to public institutions only.

Revenue coming through international students is an addictive drug. They are hooked on it and not sure if they want to change it anytime soon.

 

[wonderbly]

One of the comment is from that "pretend Customs and Immigration Officer" who claims to be second gen immigrant, but seeing him/her spam the same exact comment from 4 years makes me feels he/she's not. That comment is difficult to ridicule as misleading though. Here it is (this person posts the same content from multiple account): https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/15fo84a/_/juej47a

I've come across a few of his posts/comments.

Dude's an ass, but where's the lie?

 

[abhiram.kumar]

Revenue coming through international students is an addictive drug. They are hooked on it and not sure if they want to change it anytime soon.

The liberals are tanking in polls because of housing. A lot of people in Canada are genuinely pissed at them for actively making the housing crisis worse by boosting the population of temporary workers/students. Inaction is one thing but actively trying to make the situation worse is another thing. There’s no way out of this but to reduce the temporary population by a significant margin. Sure, students attending Canadian universities are a boon but the ones attending private diploma mills have nothing to offer Canada. They’re a boon for the Tim Hortons, McDonalds and Walmarts around Canada. Low skilled minimum wage workers are not going to provide massive revenues in taxes and only give rise to anti immigrant sentiment among the working class. The Liberals cannot risk an anti immigrant sentiment in Canada and are probably going to introduce measures to cap the number of international students.

 

[twaair]

Canada doesn’t really need other occupations. That’s the harsh reality. The country doesn’t need marketing specialists, artists, HR managers, food supervisors, fast food workers etc. right now. It needs healthcare workers, construction workers, tech workers etc. so it makes sense that for all other occupations, only the cream of the crop are required. If you don’t fill a job shortage, then you’ll have to be really good to get in. Hence, the high cut off score. Prospective immigrants will have to look at other countries if they cannot fulfill Canada’s needs. How would it benefit either Canada or new immigrants if there are no job shortage in those industries? Australia’s immigration system is structured around long term job shortages. Canada’s now following Australia’s path.

You can say Canada has more needs in healthcare, tech, etc, but it's definitely not right to say it only needs this. All sectors are linked, especially in STEM areas.

To be fair, for the healthcare part, from my understanding, there is a main issue of new foreign workers cannot be licenced in canada after coming. So taking new immigrants in the sector fixes nothing (other than responding to some immediate news headlines). There are also probably issues on retaining the healthcare workers since there are Canadian workers in the sector moving south to US for better pay etc.

It might be unpopular to say this, but the last one i see Canada needs is people who are writing codes, which is part of the target list. This is one of most probable remote jobs. Unless their plan is to take application fees so that people move in, realise the cost of living, then move out after a couple years, i just don't understand why they need to be specially targeted because i assume a lot them will try to move US after couple years for much better pay (which is one of several jobs actually there is a huge pay difference. Most STEM jobs in US don't have crazy pay actually. they might be slightly higher, but not that high, which means it's much easier for Canada to keep these poeple). For AI workers, that might be a different story, but i'm not sure.

Another thing you haven't considered is that some of jobs require you to at least have a PR if not citizenship to be considered. One of the examples is aerospace jobs. Good luck finding a company that will give you an AE offer when you are completely foreigners for security reasons. So if you close the door even from Express Entry, good luck replacing the current employees when they get retired, especially i see some of them already doing remote in canada for US companies now.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

You can say Canada has more needs in healthcare, tech, etc, but it's definitely not right to say it only needs this. All sectors are linked, especially in STEM areas.

To be fair, for the healthcare part, from my understanding, there is a main issue of new foreign workers cannot be licenced in canada after coming. So taking new immigrants in the sector fixes nothing (other than responding to some immediate news headlines). There are also probably issues on retaining the healthcare workers since there are Canadian workers in the sector moving south to US for better pay etc.

It might be unpopular to say this, but the last one i see Canada needs is people who are writing codes, which is part of the target list. This is one of most probable remote jobs. Unless their plan is to take application fees so that people move in, realise the cost of living, then move out after a couple years, i just don't understand why they need to be specially targeted because i assume a lot them will try to move US after couple years for much better pay (which is one of several jobs actually there is a huge pay difference. Most STEM jobs in US don't have crazy pay actually. they might be slightly higher, but not that high, which means it's much easier for Canada to keep these poeple). For AI workers, that might be a different story, but i'm not sure.

Another thing you haven't considered is that some of jobs require you to at least have a PR if not citizenship to be considered. One of the examples is aerospace jobs. Good luck finding a company that will give you an AE offer when you are completely foreigners for security reasons. So if you close the door even from Express Entry, good luck replacing the current employees when they get retired, especially i see some of them already doing remote in canada for US companies now.

Again, from my experience living in Canada, despite all the stories you hear about immigrant doctors and nurses driving cabs, they form a sizeable portion of the healthcare workforce in Canada. My own family doctor is an immigrant and Filipino nurses make up a sizeable portion of the nursing staff. Therefore, they do eventually work in healthcare. It’s not all doom and gloom. Things are also changing as Provinces are now moving towards streamlining the recognition process. Now, Canada currently, has a shortage of healthcare workers and construction workers. Canada has also always had a shortage of tech workers. With regards to tech, despite the massive pay difference with the US, Canadian tech workers probably make more than workers from any other country in the world. Switzerland would probably be the only European exception. When you have shortages in those industries, why would you want to invite someone working in HR or Marketing or even Accounting? A country’s immigration system is designed to suit the country’s needs not the immigrants needs. The biggest flaw with the express entry system was that it was inviting people who were not actually needed but because their CRS score met the threshold, they were invited. All immigration systems around the world are structured to meet the country’s labour force needs. Canada’s just following suit. Australia also has a general category and only those who score highly can qualify for it. Canada also probably wants to do the same. Only the best of the best can get into the country through the general draws.

 

[GPA3]

There has been lot of layoffs in tech companies in the last 6-9 months so I can see why they are not aggressively targeting the STEM categories. With high interest rate, there's always the possibility of labor market tightening significantly in the next 12 months.

 

[twaair]

Again, from my experience living in Canada, despite all the stories you hear about immigrant doctors and nurses driving cabs, they form a sizeable portion of the healthcare workforce in Canada. My own family doctor is an immigrant and Filipino nurses make up a sizeable portion of the nursing staff. Therefore, they do eventually work in healthcare. It’s not all doom and gloom. Things are also changing as Provinces are now moving towards streamlining the recognition process. Now, Canada currently, has a shortage of healthcare workers and construction workers. Canada has also always had a shortage of tech workers. With regards to tech, despite the massive pay difference with the US, Canadian tech workers probably make more than workers from any other country in the world. Switzerland would probably be the only European exception. When you have shortages in those industries, why would you want to invite someone working in HR or Marketing or even Accounting? A country’s immigration system is designed to suit the country’s needs not the immigrants needs. The biggest flaw with the express entry system was that it was inviting people who were not actually needed but because their CRS score met the threshold, they were invited. All immigration systems around the world are structured to meet the country’s labour force needs. Canada’s just following suit. Australia also has a general category and only those who score highly can qualify for it. Canada also probably wants to do the same. Only the best of the best can get into the country through the general draws.

My issue with the current target system is it seems they are looking for certain fields and then just throwing what seems to be related into it. I don't know enough about the Australian system, but if i understand it correctly, they have a cap on different jobs, which is a completely fine system. If you have a sector you don't want to fill, just reduce the cap number. What currently happens to the target drawings is it seems you will end up only certain sectors getting it. What will happen is you can fill in short-term needs, and then after some time, you need to fill in another, which becomes a very reactive process. What you end up with is micro-management immigration in all fields.

If you look into the example i have been putting. aerospace, you will see it is nowhere close to the cap for Australia as far as my search. It's a smaller field, and therefore, fewer people will apply, and fewer people will get the visa. As far as i know, they have an even smaller aviation sector than Canada. I'm not saying Canada shouldn't change to target for certain sectors, but i don't think how they are doing right now is the best way. My understanding of the Australian system is far better and solves the issue probably better

edit: about only getting the 'best of the best' in other sectors, the express entry doesn't give you additional credits to do an eval on how good you are doing in your current job. Based on the current number, and if they continue how they are drawing, I can only see people with family or who speak both English and French getting in. They might help in some jobs, but it's hard for me to see why they would be ever considered as the 'best of the best'.