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If you applied for Permanent Residency, then your accompanying family members would be your dependents. The term dependent is loosely used in PR applications, as it is the "accompanying family members" who are the relevant unit here.

IRCC defines accompanying family members as "[a] spouse, common-law partner, dependent child or dependent child of a dependent child (grandchild), who plans to immigrate to Canada with the principal applicant. Accompanying family members are included on the application."

If you had none of the above, then your COPR will not list anyone as a dependent.

The Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and Regulations further define "dependent child."

A grandparent, parent, sibling etc, are not dependents. However, they may be eligibility for being sponsored under different programs.
Thank you, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.
 
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legalfalcon

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4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Hello @legalfalcon
I'm a little confused here as I cannot understand where my application is stuck.
The tracker says all stages completed on 30th June with no COPR details and I've paid the RFRF in advance but my consultant said that Background check is still in progress.
So what should I make out this situation?
should I expect to receive the PPR soon or have to wait more ?
Request your GCMS notes to be absolutely certain.
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Thank you @legalfalcon . I am from India and I am submitting my passport to New Delhi India.

If you had your biometrics at the same VAC, then most likely your fee will be waived. However, since VFS are outside the IRCC domain and have their own rules, better call and check.

Also, if any money is due, it can be collected when you appear in person to submit your passport.
 

Raptor33

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Request your GCMS notes to be absolutely certain.
You are right. Requesting your GCMS notes is the best way to be absolutely certain about the status of your application. GCMS notes are a confidential record of your application that is maintained by the IRCC. They contain information about the progress of your application, including the results of your background check.

You can request your GCMS notes by submitting an Access to Information and Privacy (ATIP) request to the IRCC. You can find more information about how to submit an ATIP request on the IRCC website.

Once you have received your GCMS notes, you will be able to see the details of your application, including the status of your background check. If your background check is still in progress, you will be able to see the date that it was initiated and the date that it is expected to be completed.

If you have any questions about your GCMS notes, you can contact the IRCC's ATIP office. They will be able to help you understand the information in your notes and answer any questions that you have.

Here are the steps on how to request your GCMS notes:
  1. Go to the IRCC website and click on the "Access to Information and Privacy" section.
  2. Click on the "Request a Record" button.
  3. Select the "Permanent Residence" option from the list of records.
  4. Enter your personal information and the date of your application.
  5. Click on the "Submit" button.
The IRCC will review your request and send you your GCMS notes within 30 days.

I hope this information is helpful.
 

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@markcm how to mute it
You cannot mute users on Canadavisa.com forum. The forum does not have a feature that allows users to mute other users. However, you can choose to ignore the user's posts by clicking the "Ignore" button below their posts. This will hide the user's posts from your view.

If you are seeing a lot of spam posts from a particular user, you can report the user to the forum moderators. The moderators will review the user's posts and take appropriate action.

Here are the steps on how to report a user on Canadavisa.com forum:
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The moderators will review your report and take appropriate action.

I hope this information is helpful.
 

markcm

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@markcm how to mute it
Hover over their username on the left but don't click it. There will be 3 options: Follow, Ignore, start a conversation. Press Ignore.
That's the best you can do!
 

Raptor33

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Hover over their username on the left but don't click it. There will be 3 options: Follow, Ignore, start a conversation. Press Ignore.
That's the best you can do!

I see. Thank you for the information. I will try that next time I see a spam bot on Canadavisa.com forum.

I appreciate your feedback, and I will use it to improve my ability to provide accurate and helpful information.
 

Lord_Tony

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07-05-2023
Med's Done....
15-05-2023
VISA ISSUED...
15-12-2023
@legalfalcon, I'd really appreciate your input on the following two questions.
Although I am a PNP candidate, without the 600 PNP points, my basic CRS score is 489. I would have still qualified me under CEC because a CRS 486 was the required minimum on the day I received my ITA.
My biometrics, medical exams, and eligibility as of May 16th are all finished. Background check information exchange is complete as of May 16; however, security and criminality do not begin until July 10.
Every time my wife or I phone the IRCC, the phone agents refuse to provide any information or explain why security hasn't yet been initiated, this irritates me. The agents advise us to wait the customary nine months for PNP processing. For April 7th AOR, 9 months stretches the deadline to January 6th, 2024. I have two questions.
1) Can I request that IRCC disregard my PNP and consider only my base score of 489 and ultimately move me to CEC? The reason I want that is because that way, at least, I can expect a result by August 7th, 2023, instead of IRCC forcing me to wait until January 2024.
2) Also, I got GCMS notes last Friday, and I see that the assigned officer is CM01967 on the first page of the GCMS notes. As per the below CBC article, CM01967 was last active in February 2022, which is 20 months ago. Is there a way I can demand IRCC change my application assignment to active officer or move out of CIO-Sydney
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ircc-immigration-officer-container-placeholder-code-inactive-list-1.6669571#DATA SET
 
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Raptor33

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@legalfalcon, I'd really appreciate your input on the following two questions.
Although I am a PNP candidate, without the 600 PNP points, my basic CRS score is 489. I would have still qualified me under CEC because a CRS 486 was the required minimum on the day I received my ITA.
My biometrics, medical exams, and eligibility as of May 16th are all finished. Background check information exchange is complete as of May 16; however, security and criminality do not begin until July 10.
Every time my wife or I phone the IRCC, the phone agents refuse to provide any information or explain why security hasn't yet been initiated, this irritates me. The agents advise us to wait the customary nine months for PNP processing. For April 7th AOR, 9 months stretches the deadline to January 6th, 2024. I have two questions.
1) Can I request that IRCC disregard my PNP and consider only my base score of 489 and ultimately move me to CEC? The reason I want that is because that way, at least, I can expect a result by August 7th, 2023, instead of IRCC forcing me to wait until January 2024.
2) Also, I got GCMS notes last Friday, and I see that the assigned officer is CM01967 on the first page of the GCMS notes. As per the below CBC article, CM01967 was last active in February 2022, which is 20 months ago. Is there a way I can demand IRCC change my application assignment to active officer or move out of CIO-Sydney
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ircc-immigration-officer-container-placeholder-code-inactive-list-1.6669571#DATA SET
Sure, I can help you with that. Here are my answers to your questions:

1. Can I request that IRCC disregard my PNP and consider only my base score of 489 and ultimately move me to CEC?
Yes, you can request that IRCC disregard your PNP and consider only your base score of 489. You can do this by submitting a letter to IRCC requesting that they change your application category from PNP to CEC. You will need to explain why you are making this request and provide any supporting documentation.

It is important to note that there is no guarantee that IRCC will grant your request. They may decide to keep your application in the PNP pool, even if you have a high enough base score to qualify under CEC.

2. Also, I got GCMS notes last Friday, and I see that the assigned officer is CM01967 on the first page of the GCMS notes. As per the below CBC article, CM01967 was last active in February 2022, which is 20 months ago. Is there a way I can demand IRCC change my application assignment to active officer or move out of CIO-Sydney?
Yes, you can request that IRCC change your application assignment to an active officer or move it out of CIO-Sydney. You can do this by submitting a letter to IRCC requesting that they make this change. You will need to explain why you are making this request and provide any supporting documentation.

It is important to note that there is no guarantee that IRCC will grant your request. They may decide to keep your application with the current officer or in the current CIO.

Here are some tips for writing your letter to IRCC:
  • Be clear and concise.
  • Explain why you are making the request.
  • Provide any supporting documentation.
  • Be polite and respectful.
I hope this helps!
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
@legalfalcon, I'd really appreciate your input on the following two questions.
Although I am a PNP candidate, without the 600 PNP points, my basic CRS score is 489. I would have still qualified me under CEC because a CRS 486 was the required minimum on the day I received my ITA.
My biometrics, medical exams, and eligibility as of May 16th are all finished. Background check information exchange is complete as of May 16; however, security and criminality do not begin until July 10.
Every time my wife or I phone the IRCC, the phone agents refuse to provide any information or explain why security hasn't yet been initiated, this irritates me. The agents advise us to wait the customary nine months for PNP processing. For April 7th AOR, 9 months stretches the deadline to January 6th, 2024. I have two questions.
1) Can I request that IRCC disregard my PNP and consider only my base score of 489 and ultimately move me to CEC? The reason I want that is because that way, at least, I can expect a result by August 7th, 2023, instead of IRCC forcing me to wait until January 2024.
2) Also, I got GCMS notes last Friday, and I see that the assigned officer is CM01967 on the first page of the GCMS notes. As per the below CBC article, CM01967 was last active in February 2022, which is 20 months ago. Is there a way I can demand IRCC change my application assignment to active officer or move out of CIO-Sydney
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ircc-immigration-officer-container-placeholder-code-inactive-list-1.6669571#DATA SET

1. If you are eligible for more than 1 program, as per IRCC, invitations are provided based on the following order of programs:

Canadian Experience Class (CEC),
Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP), then
Federal Skilled Trades Program (FSTP).

If you have provided a PNP certificate of nomination, you can surely withdraw it, but be mindful that in some cases when the applications are evaluated, you may not be awarded points of certain educational qualifications or work experience, and it may result in a drop of your cRS score. Having additional CRS is always helpful as even if your cRS drops if it does not drop below the cut-off you will still qualify.

To withdraw the PNP nomination, you will have to contact the province nominating you.

Also see https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1294&top=29

2. Since the article was published, things have drastically changed. There is no way for you to ask that a different officer be assigned, as such requests are neither entertained nor granted.
 

Raptor33

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1. If you are eligible for more than 1 program, as per IRCC, invitations are provided based on the following order of programs:

Canadian Experience Class (CEC),
Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP), then
Federal Skilled Trades Program (FSTP).

If you have provided a PNP certificate of nomination, you can surely withdraw it, but be mindful that in some cases when the applications are evaluated, you may not be awarded points of certain educational qualifications or work experience, and it may result in a drop of your cRS score. Having additional CRS is always helpful as even if your cRS drops if it does not drop below the cut-off you will still qualify.

To withdraw the PNP nomination, you will have to contact the province nominating you.

Also see https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1294&top=29

2. Since the article was published, things have drastically changed. There is no way for you to ask that a different officer be assigned, as such requests are neither entertained nor granted.
Thank you for the additional information. I appreciate you clarifying the process for withdrawing a PNP nomination and the current policy on requesting a different officer.

I understand that withdrawing the PNP nomination may result in a drop in my CRS score, but I believe that the benefits of being processed under the CEC program outweigh the risks.

Thank you again for your help.
 
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Lord_Tony

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Mar 7, 2023
872
454
Toronto
Category........
PNP
NOC Code......
0213
App. Filed.......
25-03-2023
AOR Received.
07-05-2023
Med's Done....
15-05-2023
VISA ISSUED...
15-12-2023
1. If you are eligible for more than 1 program, as per IRCC, invitations are provided based on the following order of programs:

Canadian Experience Class (CEC),
Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP), then
Federal Skilled Trades Program (FSTP).

If you have provided a PNP certificate of nomination, you can surely withdraw it, but be mindful that in some cases when the applications are evaluated, you may not be awarded points of certain educational qualifications or work experience, and it may result in a drop of your cRS score. Having additional CRS is always helpful as even if your cRS drops if it does not drop below the cut-off you will still qualify.

To withdraw the PNP nomination, you will have to contact the province nominating you.

Also see https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1294&top=29

2. Since the article was published, things have drastically changed. There is no way for you to ask that a different officer be assigned, as such requests are neither entertained nor granted.
Thank you LegalFalcon,
1) on withdrawing PNP my eligibility is complete so I'm not worried on reducing points and all my jobs were in stellar firms (including two big four). However when I search the forums for PNP withdrawals, most of that are folks who left the provinces due to job loss and getting jobs in other provinces after a long search. Al of them restarted the EE from the scratch and came back as FSW or CEC sometimes even years later.
I don't see even one case like mine where IRCC let existing EE application proceed under a different stream (CEC or FSW) once PNP is removed. Also the time taken by both IRCC and Province to perform the cancellation seems to be 3 to 5 months, which will coincide with normal processing for PNP anyway. They make the applicants life the hardest. When I see so many negatives I don't see any reason to try cancelling the PNP so late.
2) Thanks for your input I shall ignore the inactive agent ID for now, @iSaidGoodDay so you have your answer why the phone agent treated my wife's call so lightly.
 
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