April 2023 AOR

[iSaidGoodDay]

I have gotten ADR for military records. I am an Indonesian living and working in Singapore. There is no mandatory military service in Indonesia, but Singapore has mandatory military service. However, since I am a foreigner in Singapore, I do not need to do any military service. I feel that the officer is confused since I am working in Singapore. So, for this ADR, what documents should I provide?
1. A letter describing an exemption for military service from Indonesian police. I am not sure I can get this since there is no mandatory military service in Indonesia.
2. A letter describing an exemption for military service from Singapore police. I am not sure I can get this since I am not even a Singapore citizen.
Is it 1 or 2? or both? Should I just write an LOE for 2?
I only have PCC for Singapore since I have never lived in Indonesia continuously more than 6 months after 18 years old.

Here's what Legalfalcon wrote earlier: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/thank-you-legalfalcon.408185/post-6636032. Personally, I'd trust Legalfalcon

>When IRCC conducts background checks and comes up with any trace that the applicant or the members on the application has been in the military, the military history is asked. Simply reply back by stating that your spouse was exempt from the military duty and provide the details of what he was doing from age 18 to now. No need for proof.

>There is no stage a IP2, or NA etc. This is based on speculation where some pseudo intellectuals based on the changes in the MyCIC status have started predicting what is happening in the application, which is absolutely nonsense. As per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA), the law under which all immigration application are processed, provides the following stages.

The second paragraph's highlights are for people who are over obsess on these things (randomly came up), so good info.

 

[ivicts]

Here's what Legalfalcon wrote earlier: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/thank-you-legalfalcon.408185/post-6636032. Personally, I'd trust Legalfalcon

>When IRCC conducts background checks and comes up with any trace that the applicant or the members on the application has been in the military, the military history is asked. Simply reply back by stating that your spouse was exempt from the military duty and provide the details of what he was doing from age 18 to now. No need for proof.

>There is no stage a IP2, or NA etc. This is based on speculation where some pseudo intellectuals based on the changes in the MyCIC status have started predicting what is happening in the application, which is absolutely nonsense. As per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA), the law under which all immigration application are processed, provides the following stages.

The second paragraph's highlights are for people who are over obsess on these things (randomly came up), so good info.

Hi @iSaidGoodDay & @legalfalcon,

@iSaidGoodDay great that you found the link!! I searched around already but did not get that link.

'''
Military Records: Please provide a certified copy of Military records. If you were exempt,
please provide official proof of military exemption from the relevant authority A certified copy of
Military records. If you were exempt, please provide official proof of military exemption from the
relevant authority.
'''

This is the wording of the ADR, so I suppose that I still need to provide official proof of military exemption even if I have not served in military? Or I can just reply that I did not serve in the military as @legalfalcon recommends? I just asked in case the wording of the ADR is changed over the years and they ask for proof of exemption now when it was not the case before.

If I just say no, does it need to be notarized?

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Hi @iSaidGoodDay & @legalfalcon,

@iSaidGoodDay great that you found the link!! I searched around already but did not get that link.

'''
Military Records: Please provide a certified copy of Military records. If you were exempt,
please provide official proof of military exemption from the relevant authority A certified copy of
Military records. If you were exempt, please provide official proof of military exemption from the
relevant authority.
'''

This is the wording of the ADR, so I suppose that I still need to provide official proof of military exemption even if I have not served in military? Or I can just reply that I did not serve in the military as @legalfalcon recommends? I just asked in case the wording of the ADR is changed over the years and they ask for proof of exemption now when it was not the case before.

If I just say no, does it need to be notarized?

You should ask in that "Thank you legalfalcon..." thread as well. It might just be an oversight from the officer, but best to get a Canadian lawyer answer this question given the specific words they used.

 

[ivicts]

You should ask in that "Thank you legalfalcon..." thread as well. It might just be an oversight from the officer, but best to get a Canadian lawyer answer this question given the specific words they used.

I have asked @legalfalcon here: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/thank-you-legalfalcon.408185/post-10501935.
He has not replied yet...
@legalfalcon I need your help...

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

I have asked @legalfalcon here: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/thank-you-legalfalcon.408185/post-10501935.
He has not replied yet...
@legalfalcon I need your help...

I guess, you'll have to wait. You can talk to any other Canadian lawyer meanwhile too. That'll solve your problems very fast. If the time is running out - just pay them for an hour and get your query answered.

 

[ivicts]

I guess, you'll have to wait. You can talk to any other Canadian lawyer meanwhile too. That'll solve your problems very fast. If the time is running out - just pay them for an hour and get your query answered.

Thanks, which Canadian lawyer do you recommend?
Also, I am still not sure about Indonesian military records, but I can get an Indonesian PCC, do you think I should get an Indonesian PCC?

After I think about the wording, they said that 'If you were ""exempt"", please provide official proof of military exemption from the relevant authority.' But, I am not "exempt" because I do not have an obligation to do military service in the first place both in Indonesia and Singapore.

Exempt means you are free of an obligation that others have to fulfill. For example, if a Singaporean has disabilities and is unable to do mandatory military service, so he can be exempted. But, I don't have any obligations to do military service in both countries in the first place. So, I don't need to provide the exemption certificate. Is this explanation make sense? or is it a stretch?

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Thanks, which Canadian lawyer do you recommend?
Also, I am still not sure about Indonesian military records, but I can get an Indonesian PCC, do you think I should get an Indonesian PCC?

After I think about the wording, they said that 'If you were ""exempt"", please provide official proof of military exemption from the relevant authority.' But, I am not "exempt" because I do not have an obligation to do military service in the first place both in Indonesia and Singapore.

Exempt means you are free of an obligation that others have to fulfill. For example, if a Singaporean has disabilities and is unable to do mandatory military service, so he can be exempted. But, I don't have any obligations to do military service in both countries in the first place. So, I don't need to provide the exemption certificate. Is this explanation make sense? or is it a stretch?

I don't have any recommendations, but there would be a few on the forum that others would've suggested. Also, did quick search on Google and saw a bunch of them show up (e.g. https://www.matkowsky.ca/immigration-lawyer-fees), they don't appear to be very expensive and all you need is 30 minutes with them. I guess the pricing for most would be similar.

 

[Justmeee]

So I need to call them, is it? https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/how-to-call-ircc-from-outside-canada.701113/ this one is it? is it possible to reach them via email?

You can surely try and call IRCC as there is a chance the agent may have some additional information. Most people are successful being connected to an agent when they call 8 am (local time). As there are diff time zones in Canada I am not sure how that will work with VOIP number. You may need to check that out.

How many day time do you have to submit this document ? Another way to reach out is via webform - but no guarantee on how fast they may reply back.

Why don't you start a new thread with this question ? Someone in the forum may have had a similar situation.

 

[francisjaimz]

@Justmeee - There have been a lot of updates on my application. I was a bit caught up and couldn't update.

I got a second ADR to request exactly a week after (I think it was on the 21st or 23rd of May)-the same schedule form. When I called IRCC, it turned out to be a glitch in the system. I re-uploaded the same document with updated dates, and on 30th May, I received acknowledgement of the ADR. The same day, my medical, biometrics, and eligibility turned green except for Background verification - Which is in progress.

On June 4th, I got a new medical expiry date after a GU.
On June 8th, my application status read - "Review of medical results - June 8, 2023:You passed the medical exam."

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Thanks, which Canadian lawyer do you recommend?
Also, I am still not sure about Indonesian military records, but I can get an Indonesian PCC, do you think I should get an Indonesian PCC?

After I think about the wording, they said that 'If you were ""exempt"", please provide official proof of military exemption from the relevant authority.' But, I am not "exempt" because I do not have an obligation to do military service in the first place both in Indonesia and Singapore.

Exempt means you are free of an obligation that others have to fulfill. For example, if a Singaporean has disabilities and is unable to do mandatory military service, so he can be exempted. But, I don't have any obligations to do military service in both countries in the first place. So, I don't need to provide the exemption certificate. Is this explanation make sense? or is it a stretch?

Seems like Legalfalcon confirmed what I wrote in the first response. You are good to go now https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/thank-you-legalfalcon.408185/page-1113#post-10503144

It is amazing to have someone like him/her/them helping us out here.

 

[Strobo]

Recommended Pass means the Case Analyst has looked over it and think's that section is good. A VO still needs to sign off Pass for it to change to Completed on the trakcer. It's normal. BGC will normally begin after Eligibility is "Recommended Pass or Pass".

I am in this same situation. Background is Complete and Eligibility in Progress.

 

[Justmeee]

Thanks, which Canadian lawyer do you recommend?
Also, I am still not sure about Indonesian military records, but I can get an Indonesian PCC, do you think I should get an Indonesian PCC?

After I think about the wording, they said that 'If you were ""exempt"", please provide official proof of military exemption from the relevant authority.' But, I am not "exempt" because I do not have an obligation to do military service in the first place both in Indonesia and Singapore.

Exempt means you are free of an obligation that others have to fulfill. For example, if a Singaporean has disabilities and is unable to do mandatory military service, so he can be exempted. But, I don't have any obligations to do military service in both countries in the first place. So, I don't need to provide the exemption certificate. Is this explanation make sense? or is it a stretch?

legalfalcon has replied to you. I am sure you have read it. All the best !

 

[Justmeee]

Seems like Legalfalcon confirmed what I wrote in the first response. You are good to go now https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/thank-you-legalfalcon.408185/page-1113#post-10503144

It is amazing to have someone like him/her/them helping us out here.

So true, @legalfalcon is truly amazing and always so helpful. He always takes time to reply and advice so many of us here. Hats off to him !

 

[ivicts]

@iSaidGoodDay @Justmeee thanks for the help and recommendations!! @legalfalcon replied to my queries and I just need the confirmation due to the wording of the ADR about the proof of exemption.

@Justmeee I need to submit the documents in 30 days. Does IRCC actually reply to a web form?

There are a lot of amazing people in this forum!!

 

[Raulf]

Hi @iSaidGoodDay & @legalfalcon,

@iSaidGoodDay great that you found the link!! I searched around already but did not get that link.

'''
Military Records: Please provide a certified copy of Military records. If you were exempt,
please provide official proof of military exemption from the relevant authority A certified copy of
Military records. If you were exempt, please provide official proof of military exemption from the
relevant authority.
'''

This is the wording of the ADR, so I suppose that I still need to provide official proof of military exemption even if I have not served in military? Or I can just reply that I did not serve in the military as @legalfalcon recommends? I just asked in case the wording of the ADR is changed over the years and they ask for proof of exemption now when it was not the case before.

If I just say no, does it need to be notarized?

From Singapore context the response should be an explanation letter stating that it is “not applicable” as you are not a PR or a Singapore Citizen. “Exemption” will only be applicable when you are required to carry out that service and you are exempted from it due to some reasons(eg: health issue etc.) If not PR or citizen of Singapore, then there is no question of military service records or exemption. You may attach FIN copy along with MOM letters to substantiate your letter of explanation.