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hi Folks,

i am helping my brother in law apply tourist visa for Canada for him and my niece. He is a self employed civil contractor and has agricultural / other properties. Wife/my sister works in IT company. She already has visitor visa.
can you advise what documents should be submitted for business, income and properties for my Brother in law, what can be submitted for my niece?
BIL has never applied for Canada visa, niece has been rejected twice.
I plan to apply for them together.

thanks
 

Naturgrl

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hi Folks,

i am helping my brother in law apply tourist visa for Canada for him and my niece. He is a self employed civil contractor and has agricultural / other properties. Wife/my sister works in IT company. She already has visitor visa.
can you advise what documents should be submitted for business, income and properties for my Brother in law, what can be submitted for my niece?
BIL has never applied for Canada visa, niece has been rejected twice.
I plan to apply for them together.

thanks
If niece rejected twice then need to address reasons for refusal. How old is she? Your sister’s TRV may have been approved because niece is staying behind. She can show tuition paid, letter from school.

For your brother in law - business registrations, client receipts/contracts, business taxes, bank accounts. Properties are in his name with any income generated from properties. He can get a property evaluation.
 

canuck78

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hi Folks,

i am helping my brother in law apply tourist visa for Canada for him and my niece. He is a self employed civil contractor and has agricultural / other properties. Wife/my sister works in IT company. She already has visitor visa.
can you advise what documents should be submitted for business, income and properties for my Brother in law, what can be submitted for my niece?
BIL has never applied for Canada visa, niece has been rejected twice.
I plan to apply for them together.

thanks
If your brother has any scheduled construction projects for next year or the year after that would also show ties to his home country.
 

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If your brother has any scheduled construction projects for next year or the year after that would also show ties to his home country.
Thanks canuck78, i have asked my brother for contract doc for his construction project. In India, many times people dont show/prepare formal contracts specially in smaller towns. I will ask him to prepare one for his ongoing project.
 

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If niece rejected twice then need to address reasons for refusal. How old is she? Your sister’s TRV may have been approved because niece is staying behind. She can show tuition paid, letter from school.

For your brother in law - business registrations, client receipts/contracts, business taxes, bank accounts. Properties are in his name with any income generated from properties. He can get a property evaluation.
Thanks Naturgrl, niece is 12 years old. i can show tution paid and letter from school no issues here.
for brother in law - he is getting the properties evaluated and i will try to get as many on the list as possible.

Challenge is overcoming reason in GCMS notes, visa officer had noted that if my sister and niece were to travel together, sister would have higher pull for Canada. very unfair to make that assumption as if i apply again another officer could make the same conclusion again, I dont how to prove otherwise so need expert guidance there.

I also saw from GCMS notes that my niece and sisters applications were pre-assessed meaning AI determined refusal automatically. I am worried AI might determine same again based on past refusals so this is why thinking to hire a lawyer.
Anycase i dont think i did a good job last 2 times representing my niece plus its lot of stress preparing and compiling everything. I just need to find a reliable lawyer who is trustworthy and wont further mess it up.
 
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canuck78

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Thanks Naturgrl, niece is 12 years old. i can show tution paid and letter from school no issues here.
for brother in law - he is getting the properties evaluated and i will try to get as many on the list as possible.

Challenge is overcoming reason in GCMS notes, visa officer had noted that if my sister and niece were to travel together, sister would have higher pull for Canada. very unfair to make that assumption as if i apply again another officer could make the same conclusion again, I dont how to prove otherwise so need expert guidance there.

I also saw from GCMS notes that my niece and sisters applications were pre-assessed meaning AI determined refusal automatically. I am worried AI might determine same again based on past refusals so this is why thinking to hire a lawyer.
Anycase i dont think i did a good job last 2 times representing my niece plus its lot of stress preparing and compiling everything. I just need to find a reliable lawyer who is trustworthy and wont further mess it up.
A lawyer won’t change whether they are selected for AI refusal. Savings was likely one of the issues as well as number of family members in Canada. Had they ever applied to come to Canada permanently or to work/study? What about other countries? Many lawyers don’t do a good job so wouldn’t trust that they would do a better job than you will.
 

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A lawyer won’t change whether they are selected for AI refusal. Savings was likely one of the issues as well as number of family members in Canada. Had they ever applied to come to Canada permanently or to work/study? What about other countries? Many lawyers don’t do a good job so wouldn’t trust that they would do a better job than you will.
No, no previous study or PR applications and not to other countries. My sister is approaching 40, is settled in india with her family and has no intentions of immigrating so never tried, challenge is convincing CIC of this. Her visa is anyways done. I somehow have to get my brother in law and nieces application through.

What about firms such as matkowsky or bellisimo? They seem to have good reviews.
It’s a big chunk of change to pay as well in fees
I have heard of a firm called keyork immigration who do application review for cross checking , may be that’s another possibility to save money.

what I really need is a good submission cover letter that is professionally written and articulated legally to cover criteria’s and refusal reasons.
 

canuck78

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No, no previous study or PR applications and not to other countries. My sister is approaching 40, is settled in india with her family and has no intentions of immigrating so never tried, challenge is convincing CIC of this. Her visa is anyways done. I somehow have to get my brother in law and nieces application through.

What about firms such as matkowsky or bellisimo? They seem to have good reviews.
It’s a big chunk of change to pay as well in fees
I have heard of a firm called keyork immigration who do application review for cross checking , may be that’s another possibility to save money.

what I really need is a good submission cover letter that is professionally written and articulated legally to cover criteria’s and refusal reasons.
Would personally apply yourself. Your biggest issue are the facts of the case not the fact that you didn’t use a lawyer. How many family members live in Canada? Siblings? Extended family? Does your sister live with her in-laws and care for them? That would be good evidence of ties. Savings is the other issue they have to work on so your brother-in-law hopefully has personal liquid savings to add to the 10k your sister has.
 

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Would personally apply yourself. Your biggest issue are the facts of the case not the fact that you didn’t use a lawyer. How many family members live in Canada? Siblings? Extended family? Does your sister live with her in-laws and care for them? That would be good evidence of ties. Savings is the other issue they have to work on so your brother-in-law hopefully has personal liquid savings to add to the 10k your sister has.
Thanks Canuck78, more details below

We have our mother, and 3 siblings /brothers in Canada. Only person remaining in india from my direct family is my sister and her husband, niece and other Extended family on both sides who live in india still. We 3 brothers and mother are the only exception Being in Canada.
From my wife’s side her father is in india , brother/sis in law in USA
My sisters - in laws passed during covid in 2020 both of them so that’s gone.
brother in law does have good amount of parental property at least a million CAD in lands /sites
Will work on the savings part with them to supplement that.
 

canuck78

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Thanks Canuck78, more details below

We have our mother, and 3 siblings /brothers in Canada. Only person remaining in india from my direct family is my sister and her husband, niece and other Extended family on both sides who live in india still. We 3 brothers and mother are the only exception Being in Canada.
From my wife’s side her father is in india , brother/sis in law in USA
My sisters - in laws passed during covid in 2020 both of them so that’s gone.
brother in law does have good amount of parental property at least a million CAD in lands /sites
Will work on the savings part with them to supplement that.
If it clear that their savings have not come from them and have been supplemented by family in Canada it is viewed differently but yes you can try to help them. All your sister’s close family are in Canada and her in-laws have passed which would be the one family group that would really anchor her family to India so there are valid concerns about them trying to stay in Canada. Would really suggest only applying for your neice first. If approved and brother-in-law denied I would suggest that only the 2 of them travel for a short visit during school holidays or summer break to show a pattern of following the immigration rules.
 

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If it clear that their savings have not come from them and have been supplemented by family in Canada it is viewed differently but yes you can try to help them. All your sister’s close family are in Canada and her in-laws have passed which would be the one family group that would really anchor her family to India so there are valid concerns about them trying to stay in Canada. Would really suggest only applying for your neice first. If approved and brother-in-law denied I would suggest that only the 2 of them travel for a short visit during school holidays or summer break to show a pattern of following the immigration rules.
thanks Canuck78! By supplement I mean I will suggest them to save better for the application.

I can try applying for my niece first. I have been debating this because I thought if I did not include brother in law then CIC may think it’s fishy as to why only mom and daughter are travelling and why is the father excluded.

So you think it’s okay if I first try applying for my niece alone who has been refused twice and then try brother in law later.
 

canuck78

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thanks Canuck78! By supplement I mean I will suggest them to save better for the application.

I can try applying for my niece first. I have been debating this because I thought if I did not include brother in law then CIC may think it’s fishy as to why only mom and daughter are travelling and why is the father excluded.

So you think it’s okay if I first try applying for my niece alone who has been refused twice and then try brother in law later.
Wouldn’t be strange for just your neice and sister to want to travel to Canada. It is your family in Canada and it is very expensive to travel. Perfectly reasonable to say that your sister and neice would like to come for a visit her family members while her husband stays at home and continues working.
 

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Wouldn’t be strange for just your neice and sister to want to travel to Canada. It is your family in Canada and it is very expensive to travel. Perfectly reasonable to say that your sister and neice would like to come for a visit her family members while her husband stays at home and continues working.
Thanks a lot canuck78 for detailed feedback, appreciate that a lot.

I will proceed with preparing for nieces application

regards
 
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canuck78

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Thanks a lot canuck78 for detailed feedback, appreciate that a lot.

I will proceed with preparing for nieces application

regards
Best of luck. Onky ask to visit for 2-3 weeks. I would include a letter from your sister’s work about her approved leave since she will be travelling with her. Leave should coincide with scheduled school break.
 

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Best of luck. Onky ask to visit for 2-3 weeks. I would include a letter from your sister’s work about her approved leave since she will be travelling with her. Leave should coincide with scheduled school break.
Thank you canuck78, I will do as suggested and prepare accordingly.
 
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