Pr renewal

[Amine346@q]

Dear all,need your help
I just get asked by someone and I don't know how to answer his question.
After getting pr If the residency obligations are met,( exactly 752 days during the first 5 years) ,so we are able to renew our PR for other 5 years.
My question is do we still need to stay 730 days during the (second 5 years) to renew again our pr??
Regards

 

[Ponga]

Yes, you can now apply to renew your PR card. Since you are cutting it close (maybe), you should be prepared, should IRCC ask for supporting documents proving residency obligation (730 days) has been met. You don't need to include anything with the application as long as you do show at least 730 days after completing the Travel History section (automatically counts absences which you then deduct from 1826 (one leap year + 4 regular years).

You need to renew your PR card every 5 years and must meet the same R.O. to maintain Pr status. If you are accompanying a Canadian spouse abroad, those days can usually count towards the 730 days needed, but it may depend on `who followed whom' (plenty of discussions in these forums).

Only your PR card expires after 5 years; your PR status never expires, but can be revoked if you do not meet the only requirement there is to keep it...those 730 days.

 

[scylla]

Dear all,need your help
I just get asked by someone and I don't know how to answer his question.
After getting pr If the residency obligations are met,( exactly 752 days during the first 5 years) ,so we are able to renew our PR for other 5 years.
My question is do we still need to stay 730 days during the (second 5 years) to renew again our pr??
Regards

It's a rolling obligation. You need to meet the residency requirement at all times. This includes the second five years.

 

[Amine346@q]

Yes, you can now apply to renew your PR card. Since you are cutting it close (maybe), you should be prepared, should IRCC ask for supporting documents proving residency obligation (730 days) has been met. You don't need to include anything with the application as long as you do show at least 730 days after completing the Travel History section (automatically counts absences which you then deduct from 1826 (one leap year + 4 regular years).

You need to renew your PR card every 5 years and must meet the same R.O. to maintain Pr status. If you are accompanying a Canadian spouse abroad, those days can usually count towards the 730 days needed, but it may depend on `who followed whom' (plenty of discussions in these forums).

Only your PR card expires after 5 years; your PR status never expires, but can be revoked if you do not meet the only requirement there is to keep it...those 730 days.

2+2=4 years so why not apply for nationality after completing 1 year during the second 5 years (total 3 years), or 3 years must be during last 5 years?

 

[Amine346@q]

It's a rolling obligation. You need to meet the residency requirement at all times. This includes the second five years.

2+2=4 years so why not apply for nationality after completing 1 year during the second 5 years (total 3 years), or 3 years must be during last 5 years?

 

[armoured]

2+2=4 years so why not apply for nationality after completing 1 year during the second 5 years (total 3 years), or 3 years must be during last 5 years?

Three years must be during the most recent five years (as of date of applying).

 

[jeff198901]

This may be off topic and I’m sorry, but are you using the PR Portal to renew your PR card?

 

[canuck78]

Dear all,need your help
I just get asked by someone and I don't know how to answer his question.
After getting pr If the residency obligations are met,( exactly 752 days during the first 5 years) ,so we are able to renew our PR for other 5 years.
My question is do we still need to stay 730 days during the (second 5 years) to renew again our pr??
Regards

It is only during the first 5 years that is considered a 5 year period where you need to meet the 730 days out of 5 years. Once you pass that first 5 years you must be able to meet the 730 days out of 5 years on any day of the year. The expiry day of your PR card has nothing to do with meeting your RO.

 

[Amine346@q]

It is only during the first 5 years that is considered a 5 year period where you need to meet the 730 days out of 5 years. Once you pass that first 5 years you must be able to meet the 730 days out of 5 years on any day of the year. The expiry day of your PR card has nothing to do with meeting your RO.

I didn't get you, you wanna said he must meet the residency requirement at all times. This includes the second five years.

 

[YVR123]

I didn't get you, you wanna said he must meet the residency requirement at all times. This includes the second five years.

There is no special rule for the "second five years". Only the first 5 years we look at meeting RO with 730 days out of 5 years.
After that, you will need to look back 5 years at any given time (usually it's time you interact with IRCC or CBSA) that you meet your RO (live in Canada for at least 730 days in the previous 5 years).
Renewing the PR card and having a new expiry date do not "reset" anything.

 

[Amine346@q]

I didn't get you, you wanna said he must meet the residency requirement at all times. This includes the second five years.

There is no special rule for the "second five years". Only the first 5 years we look at meeting RO with 730 days out of 5 years.
After that, you will need to look back 5 years at any given time (usually it's time you interact with IRCC or CBSA) that you meet your RO (live in Canada for at least 730 days in the previous 5 years).
Renewing the PR card and having a new expiry date do not "reset" anything.

Thank you for your answer.
Let's give an exemple to understand

For exemple pr got on January 2020(expired on January 2025), I met the residency requirement more than 730 days, I renew my pr on 2025 (expired on 2030) During this period (2025-2030) I stay in Canada just for 300 days, so I didn't meet the residency requirement, do I can complete the 730 after 2030 and apply for renewal or not.
Thank you for your patience.

 

[Ponga]

Thank you for your answer.
Let's give an exemple to understand

For exemple pr got on January 2020(expired on January 2025), I met the residency requirement more than 730 days, I renew my pr on 2025 (expired on 2030) During this period (2025-2030) I stay in Canada just for 300 days, so I didn't meet the residency requirement, do I can complete the 730 after 2030 and apply for renewal or not.
Thank you for your patience.

No, you would NOT have met the R.O.

A PR needs to meet the R.O. of 730 days in every 5 year `window'.

Here's more info:
https://www.myconsultant.ca/EN/The-Residency-Obligation-for-Permanent-Residents


Paragraph 28 (1) and subparagraphs 28 (2)(a)(i) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) state that a permanent resident must meet his/her residency obligation for each five-year period by being physically present in Canada for at least 730 days.

The “two-years-out-of-five” rule may seem simple at first, but it is rather complex. Most people take the five-year periods as discrete five-year periods. However, according to para.28(2)(b) of IRPA, the five-year periods for residency obligation are rolling periods. This is a vital distinction because, for example, while there are only two separate five-year periods in ten consecutive years, when counted in a rolling manner there are suddenly six of them —12345, 23456, 34567, 45678, 56789, and 678910. Legally speaking, a permanent resident may have to be present for at least 730 days in Canada in all six rolling periods within those ten years if he/she is absent from Canada frequently.

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Does that clarify what you need to do to maintain your PR status?

 

[canuck78]

Thank you for your answer.
Let's give an exemple to understand

For exemple pr got on January 2020(expired on January 2025), I met the residency requirement more than 730 days, I renew my pr on 2025 (expired on 2030) During this period (2025-2030) I stay in Canada just for 300 days, so I didn't meet the residency requirement, do I can complete the 730 after 2030 and apply for renewal or not.
Thank you for your patience.

After January 2025 you need to meet RO on any day. The expiry date on you PR card and PR status are different. For example:
-You need to be in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years from February 2020-February 2025
-You need to be in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years from March 2021-Marcg 2026
-You need to be in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years from May 2023-February 2028
-You need to be in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years from November 2024-February 2029

 

[armoured]

After January 2025 you need to meet RO on any day. The expiry date on you PR card and PR status are different. For example:
-You need to be in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years from February 2020-February 2025
-You need to be in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years from March 2021-Marcg 2026
-You need to be in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years from May 2023-February 2028
-You need to be in Canada for 730 days in the past 5 years from November 2024-February 2029

This is why it gets confusing - when we say 'past five years' but the periods are all in the future.

Hence I think it is easier for most to understand:
-in ANY five year period, you must be outside Canada LESS than 1095 days. (This is identical to 'inside Canada MORE THAN 730 days - mathematically).

The first five period is from the day of landing, i.e. looking back five years from the anniversary of landing to the day of landing.

After that, it is a rolling obligation, measured on ANY day that the PR is examined. There's no second or third or whatever five year period - it's ongoing.

 

[canuck78]

This is why it gets confusing - when we say 'past five years' but the periods are all in the future.

Hence I think it is easier for most to understand:
-in ANY five year period, you must be outside Canada LESS than 1095 days. (This is identical to 'inside Canada MORE THAN 730 days - mathematically).

The first five period is from the day of landing, i.e. looking back five years from the anniversary of landing to the day of landing.

After that, it is a rolling obligation, measured on ANY day that the PR is examined. There's no second or third or whatever five year period - it's ongoing.

Think that exact examples may be the best way for OP to understand what rolling requirements are.