The purpose of your visit is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details provided in your application.

[Geet7]

Thank you for your reply. I requested GCMS notes for my first denial. In GCMS notes, there were no details, and the notes contained the same visa rejection reasons. For the second denial, I have not ordered GCMS notes. I assume there will be no details as well. Could you please help me in this regard? How can I proceed with my re-apply application?

In my opinion, you should request GCMS notes for the second refusal. It's the only way of knowing what to fix and address in a third application. I've seen some people requesting notes both to IRCC and CBSA (Canada Border Service Agency) and received them faster through the latter. I think they should be the same notes. You could try making a request to both agencies.

In regard to a re-application without the context of the GCMS notes, I would try to address:

1. Ties to home country - Make them as clear as possible and submit as much evidence as possible. Be creative (it could be job offers, participation in companies, etc).

2. How the program improves on your profile - Explain how the program builds on your education and experience and how it will help you in the future. Be clear and specific.

Again, it would be best if you had the GCMS notes as reference.

 

[Nolan@789]

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I applied for notes from both CBSA/IRCC at same time. I just received notes from CBSA today but the notes gives no additional clue for refusal.

In the notes, I noticed they only started processing in chinook 3+ after I send them the webform on the 12th week processing day.

After refusal, I sent them a webform with a letter of explanation which I think is indicated as "Correspondence uploaded for review".

Anyway this is the reason they gave for refusal.

" I have review the application. I have considered the following factors in my decision. The purpose of the applicant's visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details provided in the application. Weighing the factors in this application. I am not satisfied that the applicant will depart Canada at the end of the period authorized for their stay. For the reasons above, I have refused this application. "

Is there any chance the GCMS notes from IRCC will be any different or will have more details?

Just wondering what that mean file proceed with the assistance of chinook 3plus

 

[Geet7]

As noted by several here, ordering the GCMS notes is often a complete waste of time and money. On this forum, they are often held out as a surefire way to know what the VO was thinking. Not true at all. Some insight may be gained only in some instances. I have been through the process and I have seen notes that do no more than repeat the same boilerplate reasons set out in the unsigned form letter that denies the application.

However, I won't go so far as to advise against ordering the notes in all cases. Just don't expect too much. They may yield absolutely nothing of value.

Yes, they might add a lot of information of nothing at all... it can be a lottery. But in a lot of cases (including my own), it added some value to proceed to a new application.

 

[HS7]

Wow... indeed, the notes add little to no value at all....

I have no idea but if I had to bet, I would say the IRCC notes will be the same ones you received from CBSA. Maybe this could lead to a Judicial Review? Based on the lack of clear arguments from the VO to refuse your application?

Maybe someone more experienced can weigh...

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Just wondering what that mean file proceed with the assistance of chinook 3plus

Chinook 3 plus i think is just the name of the software that helps officers review/filter out application, https://cila.co/chinook-and-canadian-immigration-an-efficiency-enhancing-tool-or-cause-for-concern/

 

[charlesbill]

The same case in mine also, that too twice !!!

First applied in February for May intake in SDS. Got a rejection in April. So I deferred to Fall and applied again on May, again got rejection on 10th August with same reason. I'm a PhD student with GIC, Full scholarship and strong SOP. I really don't know what is there problem if they had been more specific about what they found wrong it would have been really helpful for us.

Did you apply from your home country?

 

[HS7]

Wow... indeed, the notes add little to no value at all....

I have no idea but if I had to bet, I would say the IRCC notes will be the same ones you received from CBSA. Maybe this could lead to a Judicial Review? Based on the lack of clear arguments from the VO to refuse your application?

Maybe someone more experienced can weigh...

Thanks for the advice, I will just try and come up with more ties, I will maybe add a pet goldfish and potted plants too lol.

I was looking at the GCMS notes more closely especially the timing part.
It seems like they made the decision in 3 secs. I wonder if they even bother to read the SOP.
The Adm/Info sharing item seems to be biometric validity thing.

Came across more info on this on chinook from here another thread (https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/need-suggestion-refused-under-r216-1-b.751874/post-9855951)

https://vancouverimmigrationblog.com/tag/chinook/
https://heronlaw.ca/a-closer-look-into-chinook-module-4-the-refusal-notes-generator-and-how-it-works/ ?



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[AK_Sid]

Ye

Did you apply from your home country?

Yes.

 

[AK_Sid]

Hi Everyone,
I did my Master's in Engineering from Korea. I applied for a study permit (Ph.D. study with full scholarship) for the September intake and was rejected twice.
When I was initially rejected, I ordered GCMS notes, but the notes did not contain any details.

Is it okay to re-apply again? If I re-apply, how can I proceed with my application? Will a support or recommendation letter from a professor be helpful to visa applicants?

I would be grateful if anyone could please help me in this regard.

1st rejection reasons: i) The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application, and ii) your immigration status outside your country of nationality or habitual residence.

2nd rejection reason: The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.

Where did you apply from ?

 

[shikshashrestha]

In my opinion, you should request GCMS notes for the second refusal. It's the only way of knowing what to fix and address in a third application. I've seen some people requesting notes both to IRCC and CBSA (Canada Border Service Agency) and received them faster through the latter. I think they should be the same notes. You could try making a request to both agencies.

In regard to a re-application without the context of the GCMS notes, I would try to address:

1. Ties to home country - Make them as clear as possible and submit as much evidence as possible. Be creative (it could be job offers, participation in companies, etc).

2. How the program improves on your profile - Explain how the program builds on your education and experience and how it will help you in the future. Be clear and specific.

Again, it would be best if you had the GCMS notes as reference.

Thank you very much for your suggestion. I would definitely consider your points in my re-apply application. In the meantime, do you know any applicants whose study permit was approved despite such rejection reasons?

 

[charlesbill]

Does any one please know of any case of an applicant who had a rejection reason like the purpose of visit is not consistent with a temporal stay and later on had an approval.

 

[Geet7]

Thank you very much for your suggestion. I would definitely consider your points in my re-apply application. In the meantime, do you know any applicants whose study permit was approved despite such rejection reasons?

No, I don't personally know anyone with those refusal reasons, but you could try searching the forum.

The refusal reason about your status in the country of residence is interesting. I assume you are a foreign national living at another country. That's also my case and when we submitted our application, we sent copies of our permanent resident status and also a voucher of our request for citizenship, which is being processed currently.

 

[shikshashrestha]

No, I don't personally know anyone with those refusal reasons, but you could try searching the forum.

The refusal reason about your status in the country of residence is interesting. I assume you are a foreign national living at another country. That's also my case and when we submitted our application, we sent copies of our permanent resident status and also a voucher of our request for citizenship, which is being processed currently.

Yes, I am a foreigner living outside of my country of nationality. I submitted my foreign resident card (which clearly shows the status and duration) in both study permit applications. In my first study permit application, I was denied because of two rejection reasons but in my second application, I only received one rejection reason. Where did you apply from? Did you apply for a Ph.D. program?

 

[Geet7]

Yes, I am a foreigner living outside of my country of nationality. I submitted my foreign resident card (which clearly shows the status and duration) in both study permit applications. In my first study permit application, I was denied because of two rejection reasons but in my second application, I only received one rejection reason. Where did you apply from? Did you apply for a Ph.D. program?

Actually, it was my wife who applied for a SP for a two-year college degree without scholarship. I applied for an OWP based on her SP application.

You can see our information in my signature. The advantage we had was that we hold permanent resident status with no expiration date and both our citizenship request processes are well in progress. Also, we have been living here for around 10 years. We submitted evidence for all of this.

 

[HS7]

Actually, it was my wife who applied for a SP for a two-year college degree without scholarship. I applied for an OWP based on her SP application.

You can see our information in my signature. The advantage we had was that we hold permanent resident status with no expiration date and both our citizenship request processes are well in progress. Also, we have been living here for around 10 years. We submitted evidence for all of this.

I am staying in my home country as a citizen since birth. My wife is PR here and also in midst of citizenship application. Maybe showing that proof will be useful for me too, thanks for sharing.
Although my wife is not coming with me during my study as she doesn't want her citizenship application to be affected by long stay overseas. but I think still it is good for showing ties. thanks!

 

[charlesbill]

Review of Eligibility happened on 12 Aug 2022 but only the day after I sent email/webform.

The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.
does anyone have clarity on how this issue can be resolved.
most Phd candidates for the Fall 2022 semesters had this same reason for refusal