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I got refusal letter due to my criminal record. (INLAND) - HELP!

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taffy7 said:
ACRO association of chief police officers , criminal records office in the U.K.
I see. So you are saying that you did a UK police background check that came back showing no convictions but someone from ACRO called your husband in the UK and asked about a drug possession conviction? I'm confused. What did they ask about and why would they be asking about a drug possession conviction when, apparently, their own records indicate he has no convictions?
 

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bartjones said:
I see. So you are saying that you did a UK police background check that came back showing no convictions but someone from ACRO called your husband in the UK and asked about a drug possession conviction? I'm confused. What did they ask about and why would they be asking about a drug possession conviction when, apparently, their own records indicate he has no convictions?
They found his name on file and wanted to make sure it was him .I don't know they said we can not discuss it. Even though like i said it said no trace live trace which means all has been forgiven but still has a record . I was told that it stays on record until your are 99 years old or dies. No trace means no conviction ever no live trace means has had a conviction in the pass but all clear of any fines prison times or probation i am thinking. Who would think after all this time they would still be able to find this . It wasn't even in the U.k.
 

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taffy7 said:
They found his name on file and wanted to make sure it was him .I don't know they said we can not discuss it. Even though like i said it said no trace live trace which means all has been forgiven but still has a record . I was told that it stays on record until your are 99 years old or dies. No trace means no conviction ever no live trace means has had a conviction in the pass but all clear of any fines prison times or probation i am thinking. Who would think after all this time they would still be able to find this . It wasn't even in the U.k.
Well in that case I would suggest you wait. At some point, if CIC is concerned about it, they are going to ask about his record and request the documents underlying the conviction. They will give you some very specific instructions on what documents they want you to provide, just as they did in both my wife's case and the case of lsj2767. If CIC does request those documents, when you submit them, I would suggest asking the VO in London in your covering letter, whether it will be necessary to submit an application for Criminal Rehabilitation. Having specifically inquired about the necessity of submitting a rehabilitation application, CIC will be hard pressed to dismiss your application for reasons of criminal inadmissibility without first requesting one.

I know the horror stories you are reading here are giving you cause for concern. Please bear in mind that your case is a little different than my wife's case and that of lsj2767. In those cases the convictions were less than 10 years old, hence an application for Criminal Rehabilitation was necessary to overcome the inadmissibility issue. As SenoritaBella pointed out, in Soso29's situation 10 years had passed since the conviction but not since the completion of his sentence, so rehabilitation wasn't even possible. In your case, it's a minor offence and the conviction and the completion of the sentence seem to have both occurred over 10 years ago, so you should be eligible for deemed rehabilitation and no application should be necessary.

Finally, your application was made outland which means that in the unlikely event he is found criminally inadmissible to Canada, you will have an excellent chance on appeal.
 

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bartjones said:
Well in that case I would suggest you wait. At some point, if CIC is concerned about it, they are going to ask about his record and request the documents underlying the conviction. They will give you some very specific instructions on what documents they want you to provide, just as they did in both my wife's case and the case of lsj2767. If CIC does request those documents, when you submit them, I would suggest asking the VO in London in your covering letter, whether it will be necessary to submit an application for Criminal Rehabilitation. Having specifically inquired about the necessity of submitting a rehabilitation application, CIC will be hard pressed to dismiss your application for criminal inadmissibility without first requesting one.

I know the horror stories you are reading here are giving you cause for concern. Please bear in mind that your case is a little different than my wife's case and that of lsj2767. In those cases the convictions were less than 10 years old, hence an application for Criminal Rehabilitation was necessary to overcome the inadmissibility issue. As SenoritaBella pointed out, in Soso29's situation 10 years had passed since the conviction but not since the completion of his sentence, so rehabilitation wasn't even possible. In your case, it's a minor offence and the conviction and the completion of the sentence seem to have both occurred over 10 years ago, so you should be eligible for deemed rehabilitation and no application should be necessary.

Finally, your application was made outland which means that in the unlikely event he is found criminally inadmissible to Canada, you will have an excellent chance on appeal.

Thank you for being patience with me . Yes i am reading all the stories and getting myself all upset and making decisions that i don't have to make right now . I am going to take a deep breath and wait it out . You have been great . Thank you once again .
 

Sidm786

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They will not send them to you. You have to download and complete them yourself. You can download the forms here http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/rehabil.asp

You are going to need these documents.

1. Original Korean Criminal History Information Record (including lapsed records) translated and notarized. You will need two originals of this; one for your criminal rehabilitation application and one for your new PR application.
2. One original copy of the "Summary Order" translated and notarized. You will submit this with your criminal rehabilitation application
3. One original copy of the "Criminal Fact" translated and notarized. You will submit this with your criminal rehabilitation application.
4. One original "Certificate of Payment of Penalty" translated and notarized showing what the fine was and when it was paid.
5. One Canadian Criminal Background Search. Since it appears you have lived in Canada for more than 6 months, you will need to submit this with your criminal rehabilitation application
6. A copy of the Korean statute that you were convicted under, in English. The statute and section number should be shown on both the Korean Criminal History Information Record and the "Summary Order". You can find the English version of the Korean statute here http://elaw.klri.re.kr/eng_service/main.do. You will need to create an account at that site if you want to save or print the statute. Don't worry, it's free.

You probably have older copies of most of that documentation already. You're going to need fresh ones that are current to within 90 days of submitting your new application.

Can you tell me if the "Criminal Fact" described the type of material you were in possession of? (If you want to do that by private message, that's fine). This would seem to be the important factor in your situation. You need to provide CIC with something that proves that the material was just straight forward, typical adult videos. If there is not enough information in the "Criminal Fact" to clearly show that, you might consider contacting the prosecutor's office in Korea and asking them to write a letter explaining that it was simply adult videos, not something involving children or anything that would be illegal here.

Get that all together, complete all the forms and submit it with your new PR application. I don't know where you read that you have to get criminal rehabilitation before applying for PR. This is not my understanding. You should have no problem submitting them together.



I understand this very well. I lived in South Korea for 12 years. You are correct. The type of explicit material that has been legal in Canada for years is still illegal in Korea. It's a very conservative society in that respect.



They are saying it's indictable because in Canada possession of 'obscene' material is a "hybrid" offence (see s. 163 and 169 Criminal Code of Canada). That means a prosecutor in Canada can decide to treat it as a summary conviction matter or an indictable matter, depending on the circumstances. When the equivalent Canadian offence for your foreign conviction is a "hybrid offence" under Canadian law, CIC treats it as indictable.

In your case, it really doesn't matter whether it's summary conviction or indictable. The important thing is that in Canada the offence is punishable by a prison term of less than 10 years, which means you can apply for criminal rehabilitation after 5 years.



We were lucky. She had a US visitor's visa and family in Michigan not far from where we live in Canada. Rather than worry about the CBSA guys knocking on our door someday, I took her to Michigan. A few weeks later we submitted her criminal rehabilitation application at the border. They approved it three days later and she came back to Canada.

There are a couple other things you should consider. First, as I said before, your case involves a question of criminal equivalency. That is a difficult and confusing aspect of Canadian immigration law. You would be well advised to at least consult an experienced Canadian immigration lawyer before taking any further steps. Secondly, assuming you can resolve the issue of your status in Canada, you might consider submitting your new PR application as an outland application this time. If you do it as an outland application and you get refused again, you will have a right to appeal. Since your case is a complicated one both factually and legally, having that appeal right could be very, very important.

Good luck. If you need any further help just let me know.
Sorry just wanted to know that without a criminal rehabilitation in place, how did she get the visa?
 

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Sorry just wanted to know that without a criminal rehabilitation in place, how did she get the visa?
If you read through the post you'll see the individual traveling was from South Korea and also coming from the US by car. Based on being a visa exempt traveler (due to being from South Korea) and entering Canada by land, no visa would have been needed.