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GandiBaat

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What you describe right now in BC is a life-changing phenomenon that will self-regulate based on supply and demand. If people want to talk to the doctor through the phone and not visit the clinic, that is what will happen, but if the contrary is in demand, it will be offered by someone/entity/company etc. Supply and demand is everywhere.
Trouble is, in BC emergency rooms are shutting down... Its not going to self regulate, it is likely going to explode! Why? People who cann't get into clinics now go to emergency room. These are healthier people who should NOT be in emergency room. They displace really sick, dying and extremely vulnerable people in emergency room even after triage. There has been many deaths in emergency rooms all over BC. A side effect of this is that staff in emergency room is not only overworked, but also highly demoralized. Nurses are quitting enmasses and thats why many emergency rooms have to CLOSE at least temporarily.

These are not a sign of self limiting problem, this is a sign of systemic problem which is self amplifying. It has a positive feedback loop. Ultimately, there will be major disrruptions in BC health care and emergency care.

The entire stupidity has been long in making. COVID just triggered it.
 

ilikesnow

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From what I have heard so far........Indian healthcare seems better than first-world healthcare? Provided you aren't poor, of course. A middle-class person would have better healthcare access than a middle-class man or even a rich person in a first-world country.
Na, I lived in India for a long time, although you can visit your family doctor anytime and get medicine straight from doctor and mostly from a pharmacy without a prescription. If you got deep pockets, you can simply visit a bit expensive doctor but then comes greed. I have personally seen too many people getting scammed by hospitals, doctors. Unnecessary expensive medicines prescribed for no reason, forced expensive treatments and deliberately making a patient recover as late as possible to get most money out of ICU beds etc. In critical situations where you're involved in accident or other incidents where you need an ambulance, just pray to god. Dominos Pizza have 30 minutes delivery gurrantee back there but none on ambulance ETA, and I'm talking hours of delay not minutes.
 

ElvisRamaj

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From what you are saying, a country like Australia and US, or even a country in Europe would suit you considerably. US already has the exact policy you are talking about. Australia has limited its immigration to just students already in the country limited to particular occupations.

Why are you deadset on settling in Canada? Wouldn't another country suit your needs more? During my brief visit to Canada, every native born Canadian seemed very welcoming all kinds of immigrants. They didn't mind race, religion, turban, hijab, or anything. I saw more pious people in Canada then I did in India which is very religious in itself.

I am just saying that you will be going against the grain in Canada when you say that demographics need to be controlled. Perhaps a country that already has a policy in place to limit the people by country will suit you more. Unless you tell me you like -35c weather, there is nothing more that Canada can offer you. I don't imagine US or Australia is full of Albanians. It would be a cakewalk for a person with your skillset to make it over there.
Since I am from Albania, which is located in Europe, to noone's suprise is a place that suits me, just like India to you.

Canada is a mix between US and Europe, even the architecture shows you that, not taking into account its creation history at all, which is British and French in fact, and the people who populated it came from Europe first, so lets not to take that in consideration aswell.

You said:
"During my brief visit to Canada, every native born Canadian seemed very welcoming all kinds of immigrants. They didn't mind race, religion, turban, hijab, or anything. I saw more pious people in Canada then I did in India which is very religious in itself."

For a brief visit, those are some very big conclusions you came at. As a start, you are confusing visiting with living in a country. You can like almost any country when you visit, even El Salvador where the average homicide per day was 60 before their President declared state of emergency. Since they are a first world country and a democracy I'm expecting that people express themselves, be that in opinions or appearance. Freedom of expression doesn't mean freedom from consequence. Consequence can even be not being able to be employed, because hence the decision lays in the hands of the employer during the hiring.

The fact that you mentioned to me if I wan to live like a white person and suggested the places where I can, can very well tell you what I am actually explaining: If the immigration is not in sustainable and in few numbers, the division in unstoppable among the population. People from each country will start forming their neighborhoods, which is the contrary of what you want to happen for a healthy sociable environment. Again, take an example from New York, USA.

I lived in the US for some time and it was no issue for me to adapt there, I mean I fit almost perfectly. Plus, I was 14 and did a whole school year. I don't think I will have a problem fit in in almost any continent you mentioned, North America, Australia and Europe.

Why I want to move to Canada?
Answer is simple, live in a first world democratic country, that speaks a language I am capable of comprehending and engaging, and be able to put my skillsets to use. One of my Bachelors is from SUNY Empire State college in New York that has a branch here in Albania, which makes my education North American too.

Immigration is a very delicate aspect to deal with, even more if a government does it for long term economic prospects.
 

Jennyababy

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The wait is somehow to me.

I need the words of encouragement, I called IRCC multiple times last 2 weeks. One told me all parameters passed except the expired medical, now new-remedical was passed on the 7th of August 2022. And some agents with the space of 8th - 19th August told me my Eligibility has been on recommend passed since 13th of May 2022 and other parameter including new-medical has been passed.

Are they (IRCC VOs) treating monkeypox now or they've started drinking tea and coffee everyday.
How long should I been expecting PPR?
 
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Since I am from Albania, which is located in Europe, to noone's suprise is a place that suits me, just like India to you.
Most of the Western Europeans (I met people from UK, Ireland, Scotland, Germany and France) were there on a working holiday visa. They didn't seem to be interested in PR and were only there to explore Canada. Believe it or not, they only wanted minimum wage jobs for a few hours so that they could enjoy themselves in the city. I mention this fact because even if you do get your wish where each demographic is limited to a certain percentage, Canada may find itself short of people as most people from Europe consider Canada a sidegrade and not an upgrade. Maybe people from Eastern European may find themselves benefitting from the policy where they may be eager to move to Canada as it will be an upgrade for them. I am only saying this because you may be subconsciously biased toward a policy that will benefit you and what you think are your people.

I feel like the policy you are advocating may not be practical. Like you said, a major source of immigration will always be people from developing nations. If you want to artificially restrict them, that would mean Canada would have to get rid of the merit-based system, which is bound to be NOC based anyway soon, and start to favor people based on demography. Wouldn't that mean that people that do make it through the system will be less skilled and less equipped for the demanding challenges of living in a first-world democracy like Canada?

And let's not forget that Canada is not US which is a leader in many industries. Most of the developed isn't really dying to get here.

But once again, what do I know. I only spent a month there and the people that welcome me with open arms and took the time to interact with me to make me feel inclusive may have been secretly racist. I am just a naive man from India incapable of forming my own judgments, unlike you, with your vast life experience of North America and (Eastern, Not Western I assume) Europe.


The fact that you mentioned to me if I wan to live like a white person and suggested the places where I can, can very well tell you what I am actually explaining: If the immigration is not in sustainable and in few numbers, the division in unstoppable among the population. People from each country will start forming their neighborhoods, which is the contrary of what you want to happen for a healthy sociable environment. Again, take an example from New York, USA.
The day you land in Canada, you will realize why they need that many people. From Airports, Malls, Restaurants, and like @GandiBaat mentioned hospitals they barely have people to run those places. Sadly, it's only people from developing countries like mine and yours that wish to do those jobs.

In fact, they don't even need qualified people with masters. They just need students who will be forced to do those minimum wage jobs. The NOC-based system will probably fix this problem for them. Maybe once you actually land in Canada, you too will agree with the NOC-based approach, and let go of this demography-based notion.

Answer is simple, live in a first world democratic country, that speaks a language I am capable of comprehending and engaging, and be able to put my skillsets to use.
Nothing I saw over there would stop you from living that life. Even the Punjabi bradders that we all make fun of were capable of talking in English. And let's not forget that even the bradders will one day have to queue up in the same PR queue that you have been stuck for at least 2 years now, which would mean that would have to prove themselves as the PR system is merit-based.


If the immigration is not in sustainable and in few numbers, the division in unstoppable among the population. People from each country will start forming their neighborhoods, which is the contrary of what you want to happen for a healthy sociable environment. Again, take an example from New York, USA.

Immigration is a very delicate aspect to deal with, even more if a government does it for long term economic prospects.
This is something that doesn't really bother Canada. I don't remember where I read this but US is considered a melting pot. Canada is considered a mosaic. You can be a part of Canada without losing your original identity. If given the choice, I too, would choose to be part the society you are talking about. But alas.

One of my Bachelors is from SUNY Empire State college in New York that has a branch here in Albania, which makes my education North American too.
Sounds like you were a perfect fit for US. Why did you return from over there? With their demography-based immigration system, you should have been able to walk-in into their country based on your Albanian heritage.
 
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DesiPikachu

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From what I have heard so far........Indian healthcare seems better than first-world healthcare? Provided you aren't poor, of course. A middle-class person would have better healthcare access than a middle-class man or even a rich person in a first-world country.
Indian healthcare really lacks in emergency care. Most of it is because there's no such thing as paramedics in India. Just untrained staff sitting in the ambulance. The insurance in India sucks too - true health insurance doesn't exist in India. It's just hospital-stay insurance and a lot of policies don't cover modern procedures.

Look at the Salman Rushdie incident that happened recently. He was airlifted within 5 minutes. Had that happened in India, he'd be gone - RIP.

Access to healthcare for chronic issues and for most surgical procedures is alright though. Probably better than Canada in that respect. This won't happen to you in India if you're middle class:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/injured-teen-bounced-between-seven-hospitals-1.6355356

Canada does have far better emegency care and outcomes, most of the time.
 
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/injured-teen-bounced-between-seven-hospitals-1.6355356

Canada does have far better emegency care and outcomes, most of the time.

Your link contradicts your own point :p

I bet you wouldn't have to wait 6 hours in the emergency for your treatment. But I do agree, we don't have a decent ambulance system. Getting to the hospitals is a challenge in an emergency.

About that airlift, it probably happened because he is a VIP. If he were a common man, he would have been in heaven by now.

....Or maybe not, never been to the US. They sure are very rich.
 

DesiPikachu

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Your link contradicts your own point :p

I bet you wouldn't have to wait 6 hours in the emergency for your treatment. But I do agree, we don't have a decent ambulance system. Getting to the hospitals is a challenge in an emergency.
When I meant by "emergency" I meant true life or death - i.e. if the patient isn't treated properly within minutes he'll either die or will lead a very impaired life. Heart attacks, strokes, car accidents etc.

The article's about a guy getting a bad fracture while paying hockey. He'd be tended to fairly quickly in India, after reaching the hospital.

About that airlift, it probably happened because he is a VIP. If he were a common man, he would have been in heaven by now.

....Or maybe not, never been to the US. They sure are very rich.
One's exprience of American healthcare all depends on what kind of insurance you have. Top tier insurance = top tier experience.
 
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When I meant by "emergency" I meant true life or death - i.e. if the patient isn't treated properly within minutes he'll either die or will lead a very impaired life. Heart attacks, strokes, car accidents etc.
Yeah, it makes sense. Do the hospitals triage when one reaches hospitals or is it just "Right. Queue up over there and the doctor will see you when he sees you?"


One's exprience of American healthcare all depends on what kind of insurance you have. Top tier insurance = top tier experience.
Completely forgot about the insurance thing.
 

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Thank you. I noticed that website does not have IMM008, 5562 or 5406. But I see that some other 3rd party websies suggest you need those forms too. Why is this?
Follow official website. Third party sites are filled with wrong and misleading information.
 
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navinball

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When I meant by "emergency" I meant true life or death - i.e. if the patient isn't treated properly within minutes he'll either die or will lead a very impaired life. Heart attacks, strokes, car accidents etc.

The article's about a guy getting a bad fracture while paying hockey. He'd be tended to fairly quickly in India, after reaching the hospital.


One's exprience of American healthcare all depends on what kind of insurance you have. Top tier insurance = top tier experience.
You can get emergency care pretty fast in Canada, within minutes. All you have to do is yell at the triage nurse that you are being discriminated against for being an immigrant. That will get things rolling.
 
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You can get emergency care pretty fast in Canada, within minutes. All you have to do is yell at the triage nurse that you are being discriminated against for being an immigrant. That will get things rolling.

What if the nurse is brown too? How can I use the race card then?

This is why I think demography-based immigration is important. You can't play the race card if everyone is the same race as you. @ElvisRamaj was right.
 
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