Hey, what is the level of French and time required to get a boost of 6-12 points in CRS score. @ElvisRamaj and others who might be proficient in French
FSW WORLDWIDE
- Thread starter js555
- Start date
I don't understand. Is this for a spouse? (Do they even count spouse's second language?)
Regular boost (for primary applicant) is 12 points minimum + 50 points reward (or 25, if your English is not great, but in that case you should also be working towards improving those scores).
Or do you mean learning some basic French to get a few points (lower than CLB 7, so no big reward)?
Hey, it's for me I'm at 474 with clb 10 in English, I know it's difficult to get 50 points in french as you will need to be proficient.
MY QUESTION IS for a boost of 6-12 in crs, how much work is required like 1,2,3 months
D
Deleted member 1006777
Guest
It is difficult, but don't be under the impression that you need to be proficient in french to get the 50 months. You need a B2, which is nowhere even in the realm of proficiency. B2 in english, for example, is the person you make fun of for having trash english. B2 is a joke in terms of actual language ability.
Took me about a year, about 12-15 hours a week, to get to B2. A1 and A2 took 2 months each. and anywhere from 4-5 months for B1 and B2 each. It kind of gets muddy because I was using multiple sources to learn.
If I remember my calculations right, a B1 in all four skills will get you a total of 4 points. A B2 in all four will get you 12 points plus the 50 point bonus. I don't think A1 and A2 gets you any points. I think basically you'll get anywhere from 4 to 10 points depending on whatever combination of B1 and B2 scores you get. That took me over 6 months to get to that level. Could take you less, could take you more.
If you're not planning on putting time into it and at least aiming for B2s across the board, I wouldn't waste your time trying.
I see. This means at least level 5, which I believe is B1 level. I will need to ask my wife about it, but I think you can get maximum 4 points with that. For anything more, you would need at least B2 (level 7).
When you score at least level 7 in all four parts of the exam (reading, listening, writing, speaking).
Ohh !! Meaning, a B2 level in all 4 will give one 12+50 points and a combination of B1 and B2 will give one around/ less than 12 points ? Is that right?
D
Deleted member 1006777
Guest
Yup exactly. I got a C1 in there, so I got 14+50 I think. So above B2 also gets you some extra points. And reading is the easiest of the four. Fairly easy to get a C1 there once you reach a true B2 level.
Last edited by a moderator:
The sentiment of not wasting time trying for anything less than a B2 across the board is right on the money, in my opinion. However, B2 being a joke is a stretch. If we're gauging by CEFR levels, B2 is where it gets "interesting"; sure, you're not a master of the language and WILL screw the subjunctive up, as part of the experience, but you're able to hold any, if not most, conversations that aren't overly technical. Same with consuming material in said language. What you're describing is closer to an A2 with a meek personality.
That being said, B2 is a worthy goal to pursue! It was when the language started getting "interesting" for me. You're learning all the time, while using it.
Something to consider: The amount of vocabulary words that you must know per level doubles, as you go on:
B1 = 2,000 words.
B2 = 4,000 words.
C1 = 8,000 words.
C2 = 10,000+ words.
i.e. upper levels take "more time" to learn, once the basics are down.
D
Deleted member 1006777
Guest
I posted a different reply but it got a little ranty so I deleted it. Look bottom line for me is, if you got to a B2 in french to get the score boost, I respect you for it. But if someone wants a pat on the back just for getting to a B2, I'm happy not associating with them.
Like you said though B2 is where the language started to get interesting. But let's not pretend a B2 is something worthwhile. A worthy goal to pursue, absolutely. A worthy achievement? Not really. It's where language ability starts. I have seen people think B2 is 'proficiency' and that is frankly hilarious. You're vastly overestimating the level of spoken french at a B2, and vastly underestimating the level of a casual conversation that uses variations in tone, inflection, idioms etc., all of which comes naturally. Nobody is thinking of what a fckn subjunctive is. You either use it instinctively or you don't. If you're still thinking about it, you're not proficient. Simple as that.
D
Deleted member 1006777
Guest
This might be useful: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/how-to-delete-my-canadavisa-account.495059/
Basically you can't. You need to contact an admin and request for your account to be deleted.
I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from. B2 is the minimum required proficiency for professionals across the EU; I work with people on a daily basis with such credentials and they can do their jobs just fine. I do consider it a sizable achievement and as such, it opens up quite a few doors. That is, ask any EU-based employer, it's usually what they'll ask for. I wouldn't consider getting jobs at a B2 level an "overestimation" of level, it's just what it is. You may have a different standard, which is fine, if it works for your purposes, whatever they may be.
On the personal side it's even more noticeable. People are usually impressed when you speak to them at a B2 level in their native language (unless it's english 'cause, "everyone speaks it").
Finally, I take it the subjunctive is either systematic or just flat out not a part of your native language? I know there's occasions where I have to stop and think, even in Spanish (My native language), whenever the use of the subjunctive gets too intricate. As you make your point, I'm sure you're well aware that conveying appropriate emotion and nuance is by no means an easy task, which is not entirely grammatically dependent; context is an important part, hence the difficulty.