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[Impatient Dankaroo]

I'm in Toronto paying $2000 per month but not a 400 sqft cave.

My apartment is 800 sqft. lol

2000$ for one room in a 2BR, looks like a @navinball is ripping off your ass

edit: nvm 2K for a 1 person 800 ft is market rate

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

The FSW system pre-EE involved a NOC list. So your NOC had to be on the list to qualify. Selection wasn't based on points but FIFO (first come first serve), meaning IRCC would open up the application process on a specific day and they would have caps for each NOC. So people would then race to get their complete applications in before their NOC hit the cap and there were no more spaces. IMO they are unlikely to return to that model (i.e. FIFO). If they do go back to a NOC list, then I think they'll still select people based on points but on top of that a person will also have to have work experience in one of the NOCs on the list. Of course I'm just guessing. Who knows what will happen.

In terms of which NOCs were on the list, this changed from year to year based on which occupations were in demand. So just because something was on the list back then doesn't mean it would be on a list now. If they go to a NOC list, that will be based on what occupations are in demand now.

Anyway, I did some searching and here's an article from back then that shows the NOC list that applied in 2015. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/skilled-immigrants-recruited-in-50-occupations-ahead-of-express-entry-launch-1.2673822

Sounds like I'll have to settle for a OINP paper based nomination now, the scrubbiest of all of the applications

 

[Windsor37]

Alright, so the plan so far for soft landing:

1. Land in Canada. Give friend's address on PR card.
2. Get SIN number in the next couple of days, if not in Service Canada counter at the airport.
3. Get Bank account sorted and order a credit card at the same address. Credit card will help me establish a credit rating by the time I land next time.
4. Also get a UPS mail box which provides me a real address in Canada for receiving mail while I am not there. They can also ship internationally or a local address that I choose.
5. Get back to my home country and wait for PR card and credit card to arrive
6. Profit

After that I should be able to return to Canada in my own time with a job and an established credit rating. After that I can get a car and my own place without much hassle, I think.

What else should I look into? Have I overlooked anything?

I've just landed in Canada just last week, and from what I can say.

> The SIN takes 2-3 weeks at least for me, even when I applied in person, the guy I talked to mentioned that most new immigrants have this kind of issue, since the IRCC office and the one issuing the SIN has to sync-up and everything.
> If you managed to get a hold of Service Canada in the airport and get processed within the day, then you're very lucky. They're really slow; I had to line up as early as 7AM, just make sure I get processed within the day; and based from the locals I've talked to: in some parts of Canada particularly in Toronto, people are lining up as early as 3AM.
> If you can open up a bank account prior to landing that would be better, I used Scotiabank Startright since they would be more lenient with opening up an account for you without a SIN.
> Not sure how well are you going to hold up with waiting for PR, and CC outside Canada. Sounds risky to me, it would be hard to return to Canada if you don't get hold of the PR card.

One more thing, the immigration line at the airport when you land is going to take about 3-4 hours to finish. A lot of people are coming in, droves of families, this is on top of all the study permits and work permits, my guess is that this what happens if IRCC approved a lot of PR applications simultaneously.

 

[oinkario]

My mom is a US PR and she frequently goes to Brazil, due to have housing in Brazil as her retirement plan. One year she had to go twice because of an emergency and the second time she returned, the border officer started questioning her a lot, making her have to prove she actually lives in the US. You are not safe until you become a citizen, but she’s been waiting for over a year for her citizenship. US for immigrants is hell. Immigration instead of being helpful are actually there just to test you your whole life.

True. Had I been able to go back to US and get PR for my spouse, my parents in-law will still face a ton of potential issues getting visitor visas. My in-laws are great and I would hate to have them unable to visit.

One has to sacrifice a lot, or be ready to do so, for a status in the US. If I do get to settle in CA, a few years from now I might consider it a boon to have US shut its door on me. Who knows.

 

[Alysson]

True. Had I been able to go back to US and get PR for my spouse, my parents in-law will still face a ton of potential issues getting visitor visas. My in-laws are great and I would hate to have them unable to visit.

One has to sacrifice a lot, or be ready to do so, for a status in the US. If I do get to settle in CA, a few years from now I might consider it a boon to have US shut its door on me. Who knows.

Yeah, my visitors visa expired and the lawyer said I most likely won’t be able to get another one, since my mom is a PR there. Which kinda sucks because I’m like a few blocks away from Windsor-Detroit bridge and all the fun things to do around here is in Detroit lol. I’ll still try and waste money attempting another visa.

 

[oinkario]

Yeah, my visitors visa expired and the lawyer said I most likely won’t be able to get another one, since my mom is a PR there. Which kinda sucks because I’m like a few blocks away from Windsor-Detroit bridge and all the fun things to do around here is in Detroit lol. I’ll still try and waste money attempting another visa.

----NOT TALKING ABOUT CANADA----
(1) PRs can't meet their non-PR family inland because visitor visas are likely denied
(2) PRs can't stay outland for over a year (or 6 months in normal times) because of RO
(3) Bonafide marriage-based PR applications assume that couples shall stay together, otherwise spouse PR gets rejected

It's a perfect paradox for couples. The couple cannot both be inland, or both stay outland, but must stay (mostly) together.
For family it's "get PR or stay apart for basically the rest of your lives".

When I was applying for US version of PRTD, officers told me that they think I do not want to live in the US.
If I ever apply for visitor visa to truly just visit, though, I'm so ready to get told by officers that I have immigration intent.

 

[Deleted member 994371]

Appreciate you sharing your experience with me, mate. Could you please elaborate further on the following things:

> The SIN takes 2-3 weeks at least for me, even when I applied in person, the guy I talked to mentioned that most new immigrants have this kind of issue, since the IRCC office and the one issuing the SIN has to sync-up and everything.

Aren't you supposed to walk-out with your SIN when you visit Service Canada in person? I don't understand about this sync-up thing you are talking about.

Anyways, I going to book an appointment first with Service Canada from my home country. It's possible even when you don't have a Canadian number.

https://eservices.canada.ca/en/reservation/

I am going to plan my whole itinerary around the reservation.

> If you managed to get a hold of Service Canada in the airport and get processed within the day, then you're very lucky. They're really slow; I had to line up as early as 7AM, just make sure I get processed within the day; and based from the locals I've talked to: in some parts of Canada particularly in Toronto, people are lining up as early as 3AM.

Unfortunately, Service Canada (at Toronto Pearson airport - the only airport with Service Canada counter) at the airport is currently closed because two years ago covid happened, and now they can't figure out how to put the stall back together. Because, you know, covid.

> If you can open up a bank account prior to landing that would be better, I used Scotiabank Startright since they would be more lenient with opening up an account for you without a SIN.

Yes, I am still researching on it but I might just open bank account from back home. I will still have to "activate" that account when I reach Canada. Although for credit card, I will have to apply in person I think.

> Not sure how well are you going to hold up with waiting for PR, and CC outside Canada. Sounds risky to me, it would be hard to return to Canada if you don't get hold of the PR card.

Yes, this whole plan is risky and will depend on my (distant) relatives coming through. Otherwise, I would be stuck applying for PRTD. The benefit of having a credit history and the ability to apply for jobs without any pressure outweigh the risks, IMO.

One more thing, the immigration line at the airport when you land is going to take about 3-4 hours to finish. A lot of people are coming in, droves of families, this is on top of all the study permits and work permits, my guess is that this what happens if IRCC approved a lot of PR applications simultaneously.

Thanks for the heads up. I won't schedule anything for the day I land.

 

[legalfalcon]

@legalfalcon - is it okay to have your relative ship your PR card to one's home country? Are there any laws against it?

Se my previous post on this:

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/thank-you-legalfalcon.408185/post-9364836

 

[Deleted member 994371]

Se my previous post on this:

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/thank-you-legalfalcon.408185/post-9364836

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question.

If I give a signed letter to the person carrying that PR card in the following format, will it work as authorisation?

I, <my name>, authorize <person carrying the card>, to carry and bring/ship my permanent residence card to my address in <my home country address, country>. He/She has my full permission to carry and bring/ship my PR card to me and I have no objection to it.

Regards,
<my name>,
<contact info>,
<my signature>

Also, does the same condition apply if one is bringing the PR card in a suitcase with them through an airplane?

 

[Peeping tom]

Passport got picked up the next day after booking an appointment from Mumbai, returned on the 5th day.

Anyone here a lawyer that went the NCA route? Could use some help...

 

[Windsor37]

Appreciate you sharing your experience with me, mate. Could you please elaborate further on the following things:



Aren't you supposed to walk-out with your SIN when you visit Service Canada in person? I don't understand about this sync-up thing you are talking about.

Anyways, I going to book an appointment first with Service Canada from my home country. It's possible even when you don't have a Canadian number.

https://eservices.canada.ca/en/reservation/

I am going to plan my whole itinerary around the reservation.





Unfortunately, Service Canada (at Toronto Pearson airport - the only airport with Service Canada counter) at the airport is currently closed because two years ago covid happened, and now they can't figure out how to put the stall back together. Because, you know, covid.



Yes, I am still researching on it but I might just open bank account from back home. I will still have to "activate" that account when I reach Canada. Although for credit card, I will have to apply in person I think.




Yes, this whole plan is risky and will depend on my (distant) relatives coming through. Otherwise, I would be stuck applying for PRTD. The benefit of having a credit history and the ability to apply for jobs without any pressure outweigh the risks, IMO.





Thanks for the heads up. I won't schedule anything for the day I land.

During the day I applied for SIN, the processing officer on-site told me that they currently have an issue, they said this normally happens for PRs who immediately apply for a SIN, since the database from IRCC might have not been updated and they cannot issue me a SIN yet. They need to sync up with the office in Ottawa first, hence the 2-3 weeks wait.

Good luck with booking, the locals told me that anything earlier than 6mos. has already been booked (Greater Vancouver Area all the way to Langley). I dunno about GTA, but since people are lining up at 3AM my guess they have it worse of. I got in the line at 7 AM, finished at 11:30 - and this is because they have a new hire who can only process SIN, hence we sort of had a dedicated line; but my guess not all service centers will have this.

If you go with Scotiabank, you can apply for a CC and activate the account on the same day. But you'll have to wait for the CC for about 2 weeks.

 

[Deleted member 994371]

During the day I applied for SIN, the processing officer on-site told me that they currently have an issue, they said this normally happens for PRs who immediately apply for a SIN, since the database from IRCC might have not been updated and they cannot issue me a SIN yet. They need to sync up with the office in Ottawa first, hence the 2-3 weeks wait.

Are you sure the officer wasn't making this up? This is the first time I have heard about it. If you don't mind me asking, what province/service Canada office was this? If it's not Ontario or BC, I might just avoid that particular place.

Anyone else who applied for SIN right after landing, did you guys face an issue like this?

Good luck with booking, the locals told me that anything earlier than 6mos. has already been booked (Greater Vancouver Area all the way to Langley). I dunno about GTA, but since people are lining up at 3AM my guess they have it worse of. I got in the line at 7 AM, finished at 11:30 - and this is because they have a new hire who can only process SIN, hence we sort of had a dedicated line; but my guess not all service centers will have this.

If I don't get an appointment in the next 2-3 months, I'll do it your way and stand in line at 7 AM.

If you go with Scotiabank, you can apply for a CC and activate the account on the same day. But you'll have to wait for the CC for about 2 weeks.

This is what I am thinking.

 

[Windsor37]

Are you sure the officer wasn't making this up? This is the first time I have heard about it. If you don't mind me asking, what province/service Canada office was this? If it's not Ontario or BC, I might just avoid that particular place.

Anyone else who applied for SIN right after landing, did you guys face an issue like this?




If I don't get an appointment in the next 2-3 months, I'll do it your way and stand in line at 7 AM.



This is what I am thinking.

I'm 100% sure he wasn't making this up, he even made an expedited request and an acknowledgment receipt which should allow me to work in the meantime without a SIN, since I already have a job offer and would have to start soon. This is BC within the Greater Vancouver Area. Plus the issue was escalated to the head officer of the service center, and from his experience this do happens often.

I have a friend who shared a similar experience, waited for 2 weeks before the SIN arrived. Though this happened several years back.

 

[Deleted member 994371]

I'm 100% sure he wasn't making this up, he even made an expedited request and an acknowledgment receipt which should allow me to work in the meantime without a SIN, since I already have a job offer and would have to start soon. This is BC within the Greater Vancouver Area. Plus the issue was escalated to the head officer of the service center, and from his experience this do happens often.

I have a friend who shared a similar experience, waited for 2 weeks before the SIN arrived. Though this happened several years back.

So, I guess I should wait 2 weeks for going for my SIN?

I wonder how they were giving out SIN to people in airport before covid.

 

[Deleted member 994371]

I'm 100% sure he wasn't making this up, he even made an expedited request and an acknowledgment receipt which should allow me to work in the meantime without a SIN, since I already have a job offer and would have to start soon. This is BC within the Greater Vancouver Area. Plus the issue was escalated to the head officer of the service center, and from his experience this do happens often.

I have a friend who shared a similar experience, waited for 2 weeks before the SIN arrived. Though this happened several years back.

I asked a few people on telegram and it seems like this was an exception, not the norm. All of them could get their SIN within a week or even the next day. But thank you for sharing your experience. I will keep some headroom for this to happen so that I can try again if I get rejected.