Work Experience Reference Letters Question

[karenn1617]

Hello there,

I am running an internet media private limited from June 2011 with two people onboard - me and mine mother as directors.

The NOC I selected is 0124 - Advertising, Marketing, PR.

I do have all the things ready with me ~ the question is for the reference letter can I have the reference letter from mine mother who is ultimately the second director in the company.

Things which I have ready -

1. Incorporation Certificate
2. Director Identification Number
3. Bills / Invoice via PayPal (about 400 page of date)
4. Shareholder Certificate as I owe 14% shareholding in the company

The position title I filled while making the profile is Co-Founder/CEO although the company's operations are 100% remotely (internet based) i.e. in mine office only I sit while all the work done through internet.

I selected SELF EMPLOYMENT as an option.

Please guide.

Thanks
Karan

 

[karenn1617]

Hello there,

I am running an internet media private limited from June 2011 with two people onboard - me and mine mother as directors.

The NOC I selected is 0124 - Advertising, Marketing, PR.

I do have all the things ready with me ~ the question is for the reference letter can I have the reference letter from mine mother who is ultimately the second director in the company.

Things which I have ready -

1. Incorporation Certificate
2. Director Identification Number
3. Bills / Invoice via PayPal (about 400 page of date)
4. Shareholder Certificate as I owe 14% shareholding in the company

The position title I filled while making the profile is Co-Founder/CEO although the company's operations are 100% remotely (internet based) i.e. in mine office only I sit while all the work done through internet.

I selected SELF EMPLOYMENT as an option.

Please guide.

Thanks
Karan

Anyone??

 

[karthik2479]

Hello there,

I am running an internet media private limited from June 2011 with two people onboard - me and mine mother as directors.

The NOC I selected is 0124 - Advertising, Marketing, PR.

I do have all the things ready with me ~ the question is for the reference letter can I have the reference letter from mine mother who is ultimately the second director in the company.

Things which I have ready -

1. Incorporation Certificate
2. Director Identification Number
3. Bills / Invoice via PayPal (about 400 page of date)
4. Shareholder Certificate as I owe 14% shareholding in the company

The position title I filled while making the profile is Co-Founder/CEO although the company's operations are 100% remotely (internet based) i.e. in mine office only I sit while all the work done through internet.

I selected SELF EMPLOYMENT as an option.

Please guide.

Thanks
Karan

One possible option is to get a reference letter from couple of your major customers mentioning the work carried out for them in line with the NOC description. You could also supplement that with a letter from your mother - but since she is a blood relative, I feel customer testimonials would make your case stronger. You can supplement all of this with a letter of explanation and supporting documents.

Hope this helps.

 

[jes_ON]

I am running an internet media private limited from June 2011 with two people onboard - me and mine mother as directors.

The NOC I selected is 0124 - Advertising, Marketing, PR.

I do have all the things ready with me ~ the question is for the reference letter can I have the reference letter from mine mother who is ultimately the second director in the company.

Things which I have ready -

1. Incorporation Certificate
2. Director Identification Number
3. Bills / Invoice via PayPal (about 400 page of date)
4. Shareholder Certificate as I owe 14% shareholding in the company

The position title I filled while making the profile is Co-Founder/CEO although the company's operations are 100% remotely (internet based) i.e. in mine office only I sit while all the work done through internet.

I selected SELF EMPLOYMENT as an option.

See the paragraph on self-employment under "Proof of work experience" -
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/intake-complete.asp

The things you have already are very good, but do you have anything that shows how much income you personally made?

Also, as Karthik commented, a couple of letters from customers/clients are important...

Then you should be good. BTW I am assuming this is outside of Canada (in-Canada self-employment is not accepted as valid work experience).

 

[karenn1617]

See the paragraph on self-employment under "Proof of work experience" -
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/intake-complete.asp

The things you have already are very good, but do you have anything that shows how much income you personally made?

Also, as Karthik commented, a couple of letters from customers/clients are important...

Then you should be good. BTW I am assuming this is outside of Canada (in-Canada self-employment is not accepted as valid work experience).

Hello,

Thanks for the input.

First, yes the setup is in India.

Second, the work is more of blogging kind of type where we place content based links or better say content based advertisement in our publications.

The content for the publications for that particular client are either provided by client itself or by our writers.

Further, there are no direct clients communications possible sometimes and if it does, then it will be outreach blogging company (the middle person).

So in simple words,

Company ABC wants to place their company X link in an article Z so as to get referral - it will either -

A. Hire that outreach company which hire us further.
B. Directly hire us.

The relationship goes from order to order which values sometimes as low as $30 to as high as $500.

The idea is -

The director Mine mother is superior to me and got the authority to provide me a letter.

We both are founders while I hold this position of face of the company.

Over billing, we got over 400 pages of PayPal data which we are getting paid on year after year.

So, now what you say? Is it fine if I use mine mother reference letters instead of clients.

Thanks

 

[karenn1617]

One more thing I like to put here, please suggest if it works in the case -

I am working in the position of Co-Founder and CEO, the face of company and having shareholding too - will it be fine if I can submit mine hiring letter which states everything although it will be signed by my mother too (the person who holds majority of shares in the company).

Will this make a fix in lieu of clients reference letters, which is near impossible to get.

P.S. If I put the whole thing as family business.

Thanks in advance.

 

[karthik2479]

One more thing I like to put here, please suggest if it works in the case -

I am working in the position of Co-Founder and CEO, the face of company and having shareholding too - will it be fine if I can submit mine hiring letter which states everything although it will be signed by my mother too (the person who holds majority of shares in the company).

Will this make a fix in lieu of clients reference letters, which is near impossible to get.

P.S. If I put the whole thing as family business.

Thanks in advance.

Irrespective of who hires your services, outreach company or end client, there would some sort of work contract signed which indicates what services you are expected to provide. So if the outreach company has hired you, they can provide this reference. Moreso, based on CIC website, they require this along with the payments made against those services.

If a letter from your mother is sufficient or not, is very difficult to tell especially given the nature of the relationship irrespective of whether she has higher authority in the business. You want to be in a position where you provide more documentation rather than take a chance that the reference is called into question by the visa officer. It will be to your advantage to provide those letters from your customers since they are from a neutral party.

 

[karenn1617]

Irrespective of who hires your services, outreach company or end client, there would some sort of work contract signed which indicates what services you are expected to provide. So if the outreach company has hired you, they can provide this reference. Moreso, based on CIC website, they require this along with the payments made against those services.

If a letter from your mother is sufficient or not, is very difficult to tell especially given the nature of the relationship irrespective of whether she has higher authority in the business. You want to be in a position where you provide more documentation rather than take a chance that the reference is called into question by the visa officer. It will be to your advantage to provide those letters from your customers since they are from a neutral party.

Mate, please check this thread ~ http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/how-to-prove-work-experience-from-family-owned-internet-media-business-t489255.0.html#new

The person who applied last year was in same case as mine.

I am thinking to uncheck the option as Self Employed and putting myself as one of the employ of the company.

Also, please read my new thread over the issue - http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/how-to-prove-work-experience-from-family-owned-internet-media-business-t489255.0.html

Awaiting inputs.

 

[karthik2479]

Mate, please check this thread ~ http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/how-to-prove-work-experience-from-family-owned-internet-media-business-t489255.0.html#new

The person who applied last year was in same case as mine.

I am thinking to uncheck the option as Self Employed and putting myself as one of the employ of the company.

Also, please read my new thread over the issue - http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/how-to-prove-work-experience-from-family-owned-internet-media-business-t489255.0.html

Awaiting inputs.

You have posted the same thread link twice - so unable to look at the past case and comment on it.

If you choose to show yourself as an employee, you are misrepresenting. Even if you do that and keep the misrepresentation aside, your mother will still sign the letter as the authorized signatory. So you will again be in the same position where VO will doubt the employment.Are you receiving a monthly salary which you can show in that situation?

If it is truly difficult for you to obtain letters from your customers,send them emails requesting for it.Let them reply in the negative and use that along with your letter of explanation and attach the other relevant documents for your company. That can be another possible route.

 

[karenn1617]

You have posted the same thread link twice - so unable to look at the past case and comment on it.

If you choose to show yourself as an employee, you are misrepresenting. Even if you do that and keep the misrepresentation aside, your mother will still sign the letter as the authorized signatory. So you will again be in the same position where VO will doubt the employment.Are you receiving a monthly salary which you can show in that situation?

If it is truly difficult for you to obtain letters from your customers,send them emails requesting for it.Let them reply in the negative and use that along with your letter of explanation and attach the other relevant documents for your company. That can be another possible route.

Yes my friend I am taking monthly salary from the company as well and that too from past five plus years plus I am filling all mine individual ITRs too and that from 2012.

What you say then? Will it be feasible in the case.

 

[karthik2479]

Yes my friend I am taking monthly salary from the company as well and that too from past five plus years plus I am filling all mine individual ITRs too and that from 2012.

What you say then? Will it be feasible in the case.

I would still say go with the self-employment option as another member also suggested. At least you have a chance to explain your case and you won't be misrepresenting.

Another question to consider - if you have already created your EE profile, what have you indicated there.Remember any changes from there need to be supported by LOE. If you have indicated self-employed and now change it, you have to explain again which may raise further doubt. You don't want to overcomplicate - if reference letters are your only issue, try to work around them by getting mails from your customers. That is perfectly acceptable along with the relevant justification.

 

[karenn1617]

I would still say go with the self-employment option as another member also suggested. At least you have a chance to explain your case and you won't be misrepresenting.

Another question to consider - if you have already created your EE profile, what have you indicated there.Remember any changes from there need to be supported by LOE. If you have indicated self-employed and now change it, you have to explain again which may raise further doubt. You don't want to overcomplicate - if reference letters are your only issue, try to work around them by getting mails from your customers. That is perfectly acceptable along with the relevant justification.

I do agree what you are saying mine friend but as till now I have not get any ITA and whatever I do is on pre-ITA phase.

Further, the thread link which I shared with you is one such example I was searching from many days.

Well, will wait and see to get more inputs before doing any changes.

Thanks for your quick help my friend.

 

[karthik2479]

I do agree what you are saying mine friend but as till now I have not get any ITA and whatever I do is on pre-ITA phase.

Further, the thread link which I shared with you is one such example I was searching from many days.

Well, will wait and see to get more inputs before doing any changes.

Thanks for your quick help my friend.

Keep in mind - any changes made after creating the EE profile are tracked and CIC is aware of them. Whether you want to write a LOE explaining your position to the VO or not is upto you but it is in your best interest since it is your only chance to explain before they take a decision. Work experience is a critical section so you want to make sure you play your cards right!

Good luck and I hope the experts can chime in with their view points as well.

 

[salikgilani]

So I received my ITA a while back. Congratulations to everyone else who got it as well.

Also, ran into my first small problem. I worked for a company ABC from Oct 2012 to June 2015. Now the first year I worked on contract full time after which I was on their payroll. Since the company was a global MnC their employment certificate is standard.

I have it on company letterhead, dated and duly signed by the HR manager. Now here is the problem. The text states " This is to confirm Mr.ASG was an employee of ABC Corporation since Nov 1, 2013. He was working as a Business Consultant.

He was previously working with HRXX assigned to ABC Corporation on contract in the same role from Oct 2012 to Oct 2013"

I believe it has all the required documents etc. Need your opinion on this. CIC wouldnt have a problem with the letter stating I was on contract since it was the same position and company. Right?

Thank you in advance for your help.

 

[karthik2479]

So I received my ITA a while back. Congratulations to everyone else who got it as well.

Also, ran into my first small problem. I worked for a company ABC from Oct 2012 to June 2015. Now the first year I worked on contract full time after which I was on their payroll. Since the company was a global MnC their employment certificate is standard.

I have it on company letterhead, dated and duly signed by the HR manager. Now here is the problem. The text states " This is to confirm Mr.ASG was an employee of ABC Corporation since Nov 1, 2013. He was working as a Business Consultant.

He was previously working with HRXX assigned to ABC Corporation on contract in the same role from Oct 2012 to Oct 2013"

I believe it has all the required documents etc. Need your opinion on this. CIC wouldnt have a problem with the letter stating I was on contract since it was the same position and company. Right?

Thank you in advance for your help.

I don't think there is an issue except that you cannot claim that contractor period as being with the global firm since you were not on their payroll. I am assuimg you were with a vendor firm placed at the client site. So to avoid any misrepresentation, here is what I would do.

You basically have 2 employment periods - one with your contractor and the other with the global company as a full time employee. For the first period, I am guessing your salary was paid by your contracting/vendor company and not the end client.

So I would get the letter for the first period from your vendor - it can state that you were their employee placed at X client firm with the relevant position. Split your employment portion into 2 parts with the 2 separate companies and attach the letter from your vendor for the first portion. In fact you now are making it complete since your global firm letter corroborates that you were placed with them.

This is to avoid the VO asking questions as to who were you working for during the contract period - or were you self employed as an independent contractor?

Hope this helps.