Will you file express entry in Jan 2015 while waiting for CEC?

[jsm0085]

We will know soon enough. The first draw from the pool will be in January and they then intend to select every two weeks. We should soon get an idea on what scores = ITA.

 

[erichome]

You can't have two CEC applications in at the same time, the same way you can't have two FSW applications at the same time. This has been the case for years. If you need confirmation, contact CIC.

EE is not an application - it's a new system to allow CIC to determine who they want to apply for PR.

It's also worth noting that without an LMIA, the maximum points you will receive is 600/1200. That's going to be very tough for those who wish to apply for PR through CEC without an LMIA, especially when competing with FSW/ trades people.

totally agree

 

[greekhero]

Yes I know what it is.

You seem to think that CEC apps will only be competing with other CEC apps in the pool, that is incorrect. Anyway, good luck.

Just remember, you won't be able to have two CEC apps running simultaneously.

You are wrong please see below

30. I am currently waiting for my application for permanent residence to be processed in the Federal Skilled Worker Program. Can I submit an Express Entry profile?
You may submit a new Express Entry profile, but it is not necessary. However, we will not refund any processing fees paid related to your original application. Your existing application will be processed based on the rules in place at the time you applied.

If you choose to create an Express Entry profile and are invited to apply, you will be required to submit a new application for permanent residence and the associated processing fees.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2014-12-01.asp#30
Seems We can apply Express Entry while waiting for the results under current CEC/FSW

 

[ZingyDNA]

It looks you are right. But the thing is, if you are not getting PR under the current system, you won't be getting it through EE as that'll be harder...

You are wrong please see below

30. I am currently waiting for my application for permanent residence to be processed in the Federal Skilled Worker Program. Can I submit an Express Entry profile?
You may submit a new Express Entry profile, but it is not necessary. However, we will not refund any processing fees paid related to your original application. Your existing application will be processed based on the rules in place at the time you applied.

If you choose to create an Express Entry profile and are invited to apply, you will be required to submit a new application for permanent residence and the associated processing fees.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2014-12-01.asp#30
Seems We can apply Express Entry while waiting for the results under current CEC/FSW

 

[retwant]

You are wrong please see below

30. I am currently waiting for my application for permanent residence to be processed in the Federal Skilled Worker Program. Can I submit an Express Entry profile?
You may submit a new Express Entry profile, but it is not necessary. However, we will not refund any processing fees paid related to your original application. Your existing application will be processed based on the rules in place at the time you applied.

If you choose to create an Express Entry profile and are invited to apply, you will be required to submit a new application for permanent residence and the associated processing fees.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2014-12-01.asp#30
Seems We can apply Express Entry while waiting for the results under current CEC/FSW

You just contradicted yourself there. It is quoted "Your existing application will be processed based on the rules in place at the time you applied." That means your previous CEC application will be running using old rule, and you can create your EE profile while applying for other PR program like PNP. You cannot have multiple CEC application running at the same time.

Anyways, CIC is known to keep changing their program and procedures. We can understand better once EE has been running for a while...

 

[retwant]

EE is just provides an invitation to apply for PR through CEC. If you have an application in, there is no purpose in trying to apply through EE unless you are rejected. To the best of my understanding you can't have two CEC applications being processed at the same time, you would need to withdraw your existing CEC application. The only other option would be to use EE to process an application as a FSW.

This is exactly what it means.

 

[hegarty147]

Let's assume they receive 10000 apps in January.

Let's assume that 3000 are FSW, 3000 are PNP and 4000 are CEC.

60% of applicants in the pool already have an LMIA, thus start with 600 points more than the majority of CEC applicants, thus they have a more significant chance of getting selected to apply for PR.

Bottom line, CEC apps should do there best to get an LMIA where possible, in order to increase their chances of being selected.

The purpose of this system is to allow CIC to be selective - they only want to bring in people who are needed. This process gives them the flexibility they need to do that.

Heard a great point on another forum and its this. Nobody is thinking of the delay in getting your LMIA. Think of it at the momement there is a 6 week delay getting an LMIA imagine loading on people in Jan from CEC who never have applied for a LMIA they will be swamped. So basically for the first few months the only people that will succeed are those without LMIA because they have to pick someone from the pool everytime they pick.. So people need to be positive

 

[greekhero]

It looks you are right. But the thing is, if you are not getting PR under the current system, you won't be getting it through EE as that'll be harder...

Yah, right. But it definately help to speed up, as per CIC, EE will have the result within 6 months, right? If my PGWP is going to expire in the next 6 to 8 Months, I definately will file CEC and EE in the sametime, given I haven't got the AOR from CIC yet.

I know a lot of ppl submited there CEC in Oct/Nov/Dec and they haven't got CC charged or havn't recieved AOR yet, if you want to wait it's your decision but if your PGWP is going to expire before August 2015, I strongly encourage ppl to apply EE while waiting for the result from CEC. Because once you got picked you can have PR within next 6 months, that's what CIC says about EE.

If any ppl applied both CEC and EE and finally get PR before their PGWP expired, then this topic well served its purpose. I just try to provide a reasonable option to get PR sooner.

 

[greekhero]

You just contradicted yourself there. It is quoted "Your existing application will be processed based on the rules in place at the time you applied." That means your previous CEC application will be running using old rule, and you can create your EE profile while applying for other PR program like PNP. You cannot have multiple CEC application running at the same time.

Anyways, CIC is known to keep changing their program and procedures. We can understand better once EE has been running for a while...

why I am contradicted myself? Please check your logic before provide your comments, the question is whether we can apply both in the same time, the answer is yes. that's it

 

[yixiaop26]

another thing is, they draw the application from the pool as their will .

so how many they will draw each time is uncertain.

they can say they are too busy for this time, maybe the real reason is, the current application is not they want .


next time, when more high points application come , the low points still have no hope .

maybe they can say, they are busy for a whole year, if there is no high point application.


or if lots of application is close each other with similar point, they can chose as they want. so this system is really uncertain .

 

[retwant]

why I am contradicted myself? Please check your logic before provide your comments, the question is whether we can apply both in the same time, the answer is yes. that's it

You need to look on your posts and see how they were. Two CEC applications cannot run at the same time. EE is an invitation system that allow CIC to determine who they want to apply for PR. That means you can create a profile in EE for other PR applications. The previous existing CEC application will be running based on the rules at the time you applied.

Anyways, there are a lot of things on stake when we are applying for PR: career, family life, future in Canada, and many others. The seniors here who are giving advise are not compensated at all for their contributions here. Most of us have gotten our permanent residency. We are here to share our success stories and help others so they can make the best decision regarding their PR applications. There have been also many failure stories, and most of our advises here are for the future applicants to avoid that.

CIC is known to change their programs and policies constantly, so nothing is certain for sure in EE. We don't know much and you don't know much as well here. Everybody here is only theorycrafting of what will happen. Most of the forecasts here from the seniors are from past knowledge, and most of the time we are resourceful in terms of that. So please don't just point at us and say "you are wrong", "the answer is yes. that's it". This is not a debate competition. We are here only to help other...

 

[jsm0085]

He isn't getting it because he doesn't want to hear it. Good luck to him. Let him waste his money and his time.

 

[greekhero]

He isn't getting it because he doesn't want to hear it. Good luck to him. Let him waste his money and his time.

It costs nothing to enter the pool. You will only pay the money once you get the invitation. Again if you PGWP will expire in next 6 to 8 month , I would strongly recommend you do pay the money as the result will be available within 6 Month after you get picked by EE.

Also I would suggest you do more research before providing your comments as it is true we can apply both in the same time. I believe a wrong and misleading comments need to be point out, sorry it may hurt your feeling.

 

[greekhero]

You need to look on your posts and see how they were. Two CEC applications cannot run at the same time. EE is an invitation system that allow CIC to determine who they want to apply for PR. That means you can create a profile in EE for other PR applications. The previous existing CEC application will be running based on the rules at the time you applied.

Anyways, there are a lot of things on stake when we are applying for PR: career, family life, future in Canada, and many others. The seniors here who are giving advise are not compensated at all for their contributions here. Most of us have gotten our permanent residency. We are here to share our success stories and help others so they can make the best decision regarding their PR applications. There have been also many failure stories, and most of our advises here are for the future applicants to avoid that.

CIC is known to change their programs and policies constantly, so nothing is certain for sure in EE. We don't know much and you don't know much as well here. Everybody here is only theorycrafting of what will happen. Most of the forecasts here from the seniors are from past knowledge, and most of the time we are resourceful in terms of that. So please don't just point at us and say "you are wrong", "the answer is yes. that's it". This is not a debate competition. We are here only to help other...

Those words are quoted directly from CIC. Q&A 30

 

[maniac2403]

It costs nothing to enter the pool. You will only pay the money once you get the invitation. Again if you PGWP will expire in next 6 to 8 month , I would strongly recommend you do pay the money as the result will be available within 6 Month after you get picked by EE.

Also I would suggest you do more research before providing your comments as it is true we can apply both in the same time. I believe a wrong and misleading comments need to be point out, sorry it may hurt your feeling.

I think the miscommunication occurred because under the old rules, one can have only one application under economic (CEC, FSW) or social (PNP, Family). The rules appears to have changed under EE, wherein you could potentially submit a new CEC application under the new rule, while one already exists under the old rule.

That being said, IMO, CEC applicants will be disadvantaged from the beginning because of the LMIA factor. Applicants under various streams for EE should be judged individually and not clumped together under the overall points systems to get an ITA. So, CEC applicants compete against other CEC applicants under EE. I know, that is wishful thinking on my part, but one never knows.