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Will you file express entry in Jan 2015 while waiting for CEC?

greekhero

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Just wondering how many of you will file EE while waiting the result from CEC ? Given the current slow processing time in CEC.
 

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EE is just provides an invitation to apply for PR through CEC. If you have an application in, there is no purpose in trying to apply through EE unless you are rejected. To the best of my understanding you can't have two CEC applications being processed at the same time, you would need to withdraw your existing CEC application. The only other option would be to use EE to process an application as a FSW.
 

greekhero

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jsm0085 said:
EE is just provides an invitation to apply for PR through CEC. If you have an application in, there is no purpose in trying to apply through EE unless you are rejected. To the best of my understanding you can't have two CEC applications being processed at the same time, you would need to withdraw your existing CEC application. The only other option would be to use EE to process an application as a FSW.
Thanks, but is there any source to support above?

I didn't find anywhere indicate that CIC do not want us to apply both in the same time, also the 1st step is just creat a profile and entering the pool, don't think there is much work for CIC to do, they just need sort the ranking from high to low?? Documents will be processed after ppl get ITA. Let me know if I am wrong
 

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You can't have two CEC applications in at the same time, the same way you can't have two FSW applications at the same time. This has been the case for years. If you need confirmation, contact CIC.

EE is not an application - it's a new system to allow CIC to determine who they want to apply for PR.

It's also worth noting that without an LMIA, the maximum points you will receive is 600/1200. That's going to be very tough for those who wish to apply for PR through CEC without an LMIA, especially when competing with FSW/ trades people.
 

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Every FSW / Trades person who is applying will need an LMIA, while CEC apps do not need it those who don't have it will be 600 points worse off than FSW/trades apps. It's gonna be tough !
 

greekhero

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jsm0085 said:
You can't have two CEC applications in at the same time, the same way you can't have two FSW applications at the same time. This has been the case for years. If you need confirmation, contact CIC.

EE is not an application - it's a new system to allow CIC to determine who they want to apply for PR.

It's also worth noting that without an LMIA, the maximum points you will receive is 600/1200. That's going to be very tough for those who wish to apply for PR through CEC without an LMIA, especially when competing with FSW/ trades people.
Those with PNP, LIMA deserved to be put in the prioirty, that's fine. But I think not many ppl will get LIMA simply because employer can not justfiy that they can't find proper ppl locally and have to hire a foreign worker for any of the NOC A 0 B. So I think many ppl will be competing within 380 to 500 range.
 

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Correct. But just because they are competing at that low level, doesn't mean CIC will invite them to apply for PR.
 

greekhero

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jsm0085 said:
Correct. But just because they are competing at that low level, doesn't mean CIC will invite them to apply for PR.
So all the existing ppl who orignally can apply under CEC now have no chance at all under this new EE? is that what you refer? if that's the case CIC can not finish the annual immigration target?

LIMA and PNP just a way help ppl stand out have pr, that's fine. But ideally it should not impact the original CEC stream, like you said it's only a ranking system with CEC, PNP and FSW in it.
 

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You are missing the point.

You can choose to ignore it, but if you think it won't impact prospective CEC apps you are wrong.
 

jsm0085

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Let's assume they receive 10000 apps in January.

Let's assume that 3000 are FSW, 3000 are PNP and 4000 are CEC.

60% of applicants in the pool already have an LMIA, thus start with 600 points more than the majority of CEC applicants, thus they have a more significant chance of getting selected to apply for PR.

Bottom line, CEC apps should do there best to get an LMIA where possible, in order to increase their chances of being selected.

The purpose of this system is to allow CIC to be selective - they only want to bring in people who are needed. This process gives them the flexibility they need to do that.
 

greekhero

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jsm0085 said:
Let's assume they receive 10000 apps in January.

Let's assume that 3000 are FSW, 3000 are PNP and 4000 are CEC.

60% of applicants in the pool already have an LMIA, thus start with 600 points more than the majority of CEC applicants, thus they have a more significant chance of getting selected to apply for PR.

Bottom line, CEC apps should do there best to get an LMIA where possible, in order to increase their chances of being selected.

The purpose of this system is to allow CIC to be selective - they only want to bring in people who are needed. This process gives them the flexibility they need to do that.


I already said not many of those 4000 CEC can have LIMA you know why becasue they all fall under NOC code A 0 B, which can not justfiy why employer need to hire foreigner instead of looking for local ppl. So may be 10 out of those 4000 ppl will have LIMA so what? the rest 3990 will be competing with 380 to 500 range.

Also think about this way LIMA = PNP = 600 more = Guaranteed PR, that's fine, we accpet that. but most 99% of orignal CEC will be competing with 380 to 500 range. That's my point
 

SPATEL

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Hey Guys,

I am one of the applicants who are waiting for Passport Request (already got Medical). Looking at current processing speed, I am thinking about creating a profile under Express entry program.

My question is, How do u determine points mentioned in the comments above. 380 and 600 etc. Is there any link so I can visit and make sure where do I fall.

thanks.
 

greekhero

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greekhero said:
I already said not many of those 4000 CEC can have LIMA you know why becasue they all fall under NOC code A 0 B, which can not justfiy why employer need to hire foreigner instead of looking for local ppl. So may be 10 out of those 4000 ppl will have LIMA so what? the rest 3990 will be competing with 380 to 500 range.

Also think about this way LIMA = PNP = 600 more = Guaranteed PR, that's fine, we accpet that. but most 99% of orignal CEC will be competing with 380 to 500 range. That's my point
I also guarantee you that you will see ppl below 600 got invited otherwise CIC can't even finish their annual immigrataion target if they deside just hiring ppl with PNP or LIMA. By the way do you even know what's LIMA? I suggest go and read some EE topics in this form.

Again I agree PNP or LIMA ppl deserved to be put under priority position and I also agree Canada will welcome ppl who have high chance to be successful in Canada. So I don't see why the ppl who studied, currently working and paying houands of dollars taxes, contributing the Canda's economy can not justified the word "sucess". And most of ppl fall under this categroy are holding PGWP and most likely will not get a LIMA.
 

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SPATEL said:
Hey Guys,

I am one of the applicants who are waiting for Passport Request (already got Medical). Looking at current processing speed, I am thinking about creating a profile under Express entry program.

My question is, How do u determine points mentioned in the comments above. 380 and 600 etc. Is there any link so I can visit and make sure where do I fall.

thanks.
Hi, I used this calculator:

http://www.canadavisa.com/comprehensive-ranking-score-calculator.html

I also want to give a heads up that it might be the case that people that have work permits based on PNP might not be eligible for EE, at least that is what it says in this article. It seems pretty credible but neither this or the calculator above is from CIC so we still need to see what happens in January...

http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/358372/work+visas/Applications+for+Permanent+Residency+Under+Express+Entry
 

jsm0085

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Yes I know what it is.

You seem to think that CEC apps will only be competing with other CEC apps in the pool, that is incorrect. Anyway, good luck.

Just remember, you won't be able to have two CEC apps running simultaneously.