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Wolverine17

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Hey guys am wondering if the new changes is going to rise the scores temporarily or it will be for good,from the way i see it here on the forums a lot of candidates with canadian education will be between 460-almost 500,many candidates are in the 480s as well,i dont know but for me it seems that scores are going to rise a lot,pnp is still there giving 600 points,inernational students will have a huge boost in scores,personally i dont think that lmia had that impact on scores so granting candidates with a job offer a lower score wont have much effect on the cut off scores in comparison to international students at least thats what i believe
 
Wolverine17 said:
Hey guys am wondering if the new changes is going to rise the scores temporarily or it will be for good,from the way i see it here on the forums a lot of candidates with canadian education will be between 460-almost 500,many candidates are in the 480s as well,i dont know but for me it seems that scores are going to rise a lot,pnp is still there giving 600 points,inernational students will have a huge boost in scores,personally i dont think that lmia had that impact on scores so granting candidates with a job offer a lower score wont have much effect on the cut off scores in comparison to international students at least thats what i believe
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You can see my other thread refocusing EE. 45% of ITAs were given to LMIA holders in 2015. And out of those 45%. Two thirds of them scored about 300 points on human capital. So now with only 50 points they will not go upto 900. They will only reach 350-400 and high numbers of ITA will provide scores to drop. So it will drop after first few draws.
 
fatani said:
You can see my other thread refocusing EE. 45% of ITAs were given to LMIA holders in 2015. And out of those 45%. Two thirds of them scored about 300 points on human capital. So now with only 50 points they will not go upto 900. They will only reach 350-400 and high numbers of ITA will provide scores to drop. So it will drop after first few draws.
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Few draws around 2-3 or more
 
CIC expects scores to drop significantly according to the report. Their expectation is that they should be able to invite applicants with higher human capital scores who are between 400 to 460. Stakeholders are also worried about the fact that the points have not gone below 450 which is one of the reasons why they removed the 600 points for LMIA. According to the report, 60% of the people with LMIA claim human capital scores of 300. So basically, their ideal candidates are those from 400 and above.

The couple of months should be interesting.
 
While 2/3 of the past LMIA holders only claimed 300 core points, it doesn't mean that they will continue to do so. Many people probably submitted the bare minimum of IELTS and ECA for the main applicant and possibly nothing for spouse as they "didn't have to" with 600 LMIA points. Who would waste time and money studying for multiple IELTS and arranging education credentials unless they had to? I expect we will see waiting lists for language tests and ECA increase. There's a lot of potential to make waves in the Pool. The next couple of months will be interesting. Hang in.
 
Pippin said:
While 2/3 of the past LMIA holders only claimed 300 core points, it doesn't mean that they will continue to do so. Many people probably submitted the bare minimum of IELTS and ECA for the main applicant and possibly nothing for spouse as they "didn't have to" with 600 LMIA points. Who would waste time and money studying for multiple IELTS and arranging education credentials unless they had to? I expect we will see waiting lists for language tests and ECA increase. There's a lot of potential to make waves in the Pool. The next couple of months will be interesting. Hang in.
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The question is wether lmia had a stronger impact or international students will after the new rules
 
I personally think that LMIA had a stronger impact than the international students points. Keep in mind that fresh out of school even with the new changes international student's with no post grad job experience won't have high CRS scores.

The points awarded to international students are more seasonal than anything (As in students will get them only on certain months January, May and September) so I would expect the CRS points to more or less follow a wave. High CRS points on those months (as new grads get their degrees and/or years of experience) and lower in between. LMIA were not as predictable I think.

Also I would expect the first couple of draws to be above the current 470 to clear the international students that are currently at 440+, perhaps we won't see 470 again until the new year.

Wolverine17 said:
The question is wether lmia had a stronger impact or international students will after the new rules
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moelaghil said:
The points awarded to international students are more seasonal than anything (As in students will get them only on certain months January, May and September) so I would expect the CRS points to more or less follow a wave. High CRS points on those months (as new grads get their degrees and/or years of experience) and lower in between. LMIA were not as predictable I think.
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Students will qualify in pool once they get 1 year work experience and not when they graduate, your logic about those months is not true, not everyone gets a job as soon as they graduate it's not predictable when Int'l student will enter into pool and when will they claims additional points.

And as for now for next few draws Student will have higher impact on CRS cut off because most of students are in between 440-470 who will reach to new range of 470-500 taking cut off in that range. While most LMIA (60% based reports) were having CRS of only around 300 adding 50 points to that won't affect cut off.
 
Although keep in mind that, what I would assume is, a big chunk of the LMIA applicants only have a CRS of 300 could claim much higher scores. This is because they never bothered to get an ECA report, or reference letters for past work and spouses probably didn't claim any points. All of that because the job offer alone guaranteed their ITA. Perhaps these candidates now will claim all of these additional points and jump through the hoops like everyone else is. Along with the 50 points for the job they will be top contenders again.

simplynd2804 said:
Students will qualify in pool once they get 1 year work experience and not when they graduate, your logic about those months is not true, not everyone gets a job as soon as they graduate it's not predictable when Int'l student will enter into pool and when will they claims additional points.

And as for now for next few draws Student will have higher impact on CRS cut off because most of students are in between 440-470 who will reach to new range of 470-500 taking cut off in that range. While most LMIA (60% based reports) were having CRS of only around 300 adding 50 points to that won't affect cut off.
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moelaghil said:
Although keep in mind that, what I would assume is, a big chunk of the LMIA applicants only have a CRS of 300 could claim much higher scores. This is because they never bothered to get an ECA report, or reference letters for past work and spouses probably didn't claim any points. All of that because the job offer alone guaranteed their ITA. Perhaps these candidates now will claim all of these additional points and jump through the hoops like everyone else is. Along with the 50 points for the job they will be top contenders again.
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That's true, but by the time they will get ECA and improve Language score and get additional points we will already have couple of draws so my point being is atleast for rest of the draws for 2016 is going to be driven by students instead of LMIA (PNP ignoring). Once everyone start taking CRS seriously and not depended on LMIA then it's probably will become fair system where everyone has to work for each single point.
 
dan_and said:
Exactly - thanks for pointing this out. It absolutely puzzles me that not even CIC seems to acknowledge this simple fact. If you're a CEC applicant with an LMIA, all you have to prove is one year of Canadian work experience and a language test. You don't need:

- proof of education
- proof of additional (beyond 1 year) Canadian work experience
- proof of foreign work experience
- proof of spouse's education
- proof of spouse's language abilities
- proof of spouse's Canadian work experience

Why would someone with an LMIA waste time and money on even one of these things if they have an LMIA that guarantees them an ITA? It is absolutely no surprise that LMIA applicants have lower core scores. Everything else would be really stupid on their part.

This is also true. There seems to be (short) a window of opportunity now where LMIA applicants won't have an edge until they obtain the required proof. This is mostly the time it takes them to obtain ECAs for their foreign education and possibly language tests for the spouse.

Once they're on a level playing field again with the rest of the candidates in terms of core scores, they will still outrank many other candidates - 50 points makes a huge difference.
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Nah you overestimated the LMIA applicants. Many of them would not outrank other candidates in core scores, if not much lower. Many of them don't even have high education or experience
 
dan_and said:
How do you know that?
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Because there are lots of people with a score of 800-1000 which means without an lmia they only have 200-400. They are the cores you get without education, language or work experience.
 
Yea but maybe a half of those individuals don't actually have any education or credentials. Others may have education, language and work experience but never needed to claim them since they are guaranteed an ITA without them. Now that LMIAs are only worth 50 those people's CRS points will be more competitive. It will take time for them to get their ECAs and take language exams, but I expect they'll go from the range of 200-400 to 450+.

kryt0n said:
Because there are lots of people with a score of 800-1000 which means without an lmia they only have 200-400. They are the cores you get without education, language or work experience.
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