Wife Cheating on me and asking for COPR to come to Canada to give divorce

[keesio]

I guess I misunderstood -- I'd understood that he and his wife were applying at the same time, didn't someone up thread say that it was not a family class sponsorship?

actually you are right, looking at the first post again, it looks like it not a straight family sponsorship.

AFAIK, the OP still needs to disclose the relationship status to CIC. What actions CIC does after that I don't know but the OP still did what he was supposed to do.

 

[Alurra71]

Just out of curiosity, he landed with his marriage in a state of breakdown -- isn't that a form of fraud on his part as well, since principal applicants receive points from their partner's status? Why is it OK for the main applicant to land, but not the subsidiary applicant?

Not speaking to this specific case, but this kind of thing appears to be a bit of a trend:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/8231428/The-broken-promises-of-expat-grooms.html

He appears to have applied under CEC as he states he was applying, then returned to his home country, married his wife, then returned to Canada. I would guess, based on this information, that he didn't need her for any points to enter Canada as he was apparently already in a state to apply for CEC and then added her to his application after the marriage.

Because only he and his wife know the entirety of the situation regarding when the problems started (before he landed or after he landed) it's hard to say if he should've reported it to CBSA upon landing about the state of his marriage. The only answer that we can give him now would be to make sure he follows the rules now, and then let CIC handle it from there.

 

[on-hold]

One of the things I hate about Canadian immigration law, when applied to cases like this, is the way that it puts an inordinate burden on the woman. Given the way that this man has behaved, he has basically made it extremely unlikely that this woman is going to have a normal sexual life -- the odds are very good that she is not going to be able to marry again in her community. The odds are also very good that he received a dowry; and they are decent that part of the reason for the breakdown of the relationship is his or his family's demands for an additional sum. If he wishes, he gets to initiate the breakdown; the breakdown keeps his wife from immigrating; he keeps the dowry; her life as a full adult and possibly her family's finances are ruined. It's certainly not Canada's fault in any respect, but it certainly isn't helped by it. If I was a CIC officer, I would search hard for an acceptable reason to void this cad's application and send him back to his community. I've seen it happen in Thailand, and in India, where women have a lower status and fewer options, the effect can be much more severe.

 

[Christoph100]

The odds are also very good that he received a dowry; and they are decent that part of the reason for the breakdown of the relationship is his or his family's demands for an additional sum. If he wishes, he gets to initiate the breakdown; the breakdown keeps his wife from immigrating; he keeps the dowry; her life as a full adult and possibly her family's finances are ruined. back to his community. I've seen it happen in Thailand, and in India, where women have a lower status and fewer options, the effect can be much more severe.

We don't know the reason for the break down only the op and his spouse do.
As for the dowry it is usually paid by the groom to the brides family showing the family that he is indeed able to care and support his bride. It is up to the brides family if they will return the dowry or not to the groom. A lot of the time it will be returned as a wedding gift to the new couple.

As for women having a lower status it depends on the country and even the actual location inside the country.

 

[on-hold]

Sorry, my comment was unclear -- I made it sound like I've seen this situation happen 'with the dowry' in Thailand -- but I actually meant the general situation of wife abandonment. The dowry systems of Thailand and India are quite distinct.

 

[Devang T]

I guess I misunderstood -- I'd understood that he and his wife were applying at the same time, didn't someone up thread say that it was not a family class sponsorship?

Yes it is not the family class sponsorship. I became PR through AINP - Employer driven stream and I added her name as my dependent!

 

[Devang T]

One of the things I hate about Canadian immigration law, when applied to cases like this, is the way that it puts an inordinate burden on the woman. Given the way that this man has behaved, he has basically made it extremely unlikely that this woman is going to have a normal sexual life -- the odds are very good that she is not going to be able to marry again in her community. The odds are also very good that he received a dowry; and they are decent that part of the reason for the breakdown of the relationship is his or his family's demands for an additional sum. If he wishes, he gets to initiate the breakdown; the breakdown keeps his wife from immigrating; he keeps the dowry; her life as a full adult and possibly her family's finances are ruined. It's certainly not Canada's fault in any respect, but it certainly isn't helped by it. If I was a CIC officer, I would search hard for an acceptable reason to void this cad's application and send him back to his community. I've seen it happen in Thailand, and in India, where women have a lower status and fewer options, the effect can be much more severe.

Yes I completely agree that first by looking at this situation, one would first think about dowry case but my case is entirely different. It is more of the behavioural and attitude problem from my wife and her family side which was intolerable. I know I was there and physically analyzed the whole situation. I tried so much for patching the things up but they were not enough mature about choosing the options I have given to them but they were more sticking to the demand of COPR just to come to Canada. If any husband knows that his wife will be giving divorce after coming to Canada who will let her enter in Canada? and that too for only 1.5 years long distance relationship? I know what I did is best for me and my family.

We should keep in mind that we are living in an age where women can also cheat and do whatever for money and fame!! If you think that women can't then its your innocence about the changing time!!

 

[dominokitty]

She cheated on you, and is now threatening you with refusal to divorce if you don't give her the COPR. That's essentially blackmail... but you're in luck, because she doesn't have any ground to stand on.

The good thing is, in Canada, you don't need her permission to divorce! She doesn't even need to be there or sign the paperwork.

So here's what you do: You will have to contact a lawyer here in Canada and explain the situation, that she is threatening to not grant you a divorce unless you give her the COPR. You two have already decided to divorce and now it's just a matter of filing the paperwork. Your lawyer will get the paperwork sorted out for you. Whether she refuses to sign or not, the divorce will still be granted.

You also need to contact CIC and explain the situation to them, that you were granted permanent residency through AINP and listed your wife as a dependant, but you two are getting a divorce and she is no longer your dependant. They will take care of the rest and cancel her COPR for you. Problem solved

 

[Devang T]

She cheated on you, and is now threatening you with refusal to divorce if you don't give her the COPR. That's essentially blackmail... but you're in luck, because she doesn't have any ground to stand on.

The good thing is, in Canada, you don't need her permission to divorce! She doesn't even need to be there or sign the paperwork.

So here's what you do: You will have to contact a lawyer here in Canada and explain the situation, that she is threatening to not grant you a divorce unless you give her the COPR. You two have already decided to divorce and now it's just a matter of filing the paperwork. Your lawyer will get the paperwork sorted out for you. Whether she refuses to sign or not, the divorce will still be granted.

You also need to contact CIC and explain the situation to them, that you were granted permanent residency through AINP and listed your wife as a dependant, but you two are getting a divorce and she is no longer your dependant. They will take care of the rest and cancel her COPR for you. Problem solved

Thanks buddy,

I know that I can easily get divorce based on 1 year separation here in Canada but the grounds for divorce here will not be applicable in India. I have to take divorce in India even if I take by myself here in Canada. I have informed CIC about my situation and is waiting for reply since 2 weeks. I don't know if they will ever reply me back or not. It is very much tensed situation on myside now in India.

She and her family pushing us to give her COPR back through police in India. I want to cancel this thing as urgently as possible but CIC is taking hell longer time to reply!!!

 

[zardoz]

Thanks buddy,

I know that I can easily get divorce based on 1 year separation here in Canada but the grounds for divorce here will not be applicable in India. I have to take divorce in India even if I take by myself here in Canada. I have informed CIC about my situation and is waiting for reply since 2 weeks. I don't know if they will ever reply me back or not. It is very much tensed situation on myside now in India.

She and her family pushing us to give her COPR back through police in India. I want to cancel this thing as urgently as possible but CIC is taking hell longer time to reply!!!

Why don't you simply put the COPR in an envelope with a letter explaining why, and just post it back to CIC at the visa office where it was issued from? Then it doesn't matter what her family try to do.

 

[Christoph100]

Why don't you simply put the COPR in an envelope with a letter explaining why, and just post it back to CIC at the visa office where it was issued from? Then it doesn't matter what her family try to do.

I agree with the above send the COPR directly back to CIC.

What office should he send it to ? Ottawa or possibly Mississauga?

 

[saria1]

Why don't you simply put the COPR in an envelope with a letter explaining why, and just post it back to CIC at the visa office where it was issued from? Then it doesn't matter what her family try to do.

I agree with the above send the COPR directly back to CIC.

What office should he send it to ? Ottawa or possibly Mississauga?

ROFL, I love that idea! Put it out of your hands and into CIC's hands. Make it not your issue anymore. I'd mail it to Mississauga, especially since they're up to 81 days and counting

 

[Devang T]

Why don't you simply put the COPR in an envelope with a letter explaining why, and just post it back to CIC at the visa office where it was issued from? Then it doesn't matter what her family try to do.

Thanks zardos, I liked your idea but what if CIC does not consider my request and issue a new COPR to her? I was little worried and called CBSA to report the issue but an officer told me that he see no fraud in this. I am still legally married and I did not sponsored her so it is not an actual case of fraud! when I told him that her COPR is in my possession because she told me that she will give me divorce after coming to canada, on this he was like why her landing paper is with you? it is illegal. I should talk to CIC about this. Now CIC guys telling me to call CBSA. what a shirt! they are just playing with me. I haven't got any reply to my email and letter to CIC posted on 30th dec 2014!!

 

[Christoph100]

As always one government agency does not know what the other is about.

Get that COPR out of your hand... If what you say about her wanting to divorce you as soon as she lands its fraud we have too much of this marriage fraud stuff in our country. This is the exact sort of thing that makes more difficult for legitimate applications.


Send the COPR back to CIC either at Mississauga or Ottawa, along with a letter explaining why you have sent it back. It will be up to CIC at this point how they want to proceed. My guess is they will not reissue it to her.

Chris

 

[keesio]

To OP,
Send back COPR with a letter saying that your relationship has broken down, that you are planning on separating and getting a divorce.