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ray2k

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My mother should have got her citizen card today if she could say her vow in English this morning.
I really didn't understand why immigration dept still needed an almost-80-year-old lady voice out the Oath Of Citizenship before she could obtain the citizenship.
The officer was nice and tried to help; but still her performance was not good enough to pass that test.
What's the point to require an old lady, who has no knowledge of English, to pass such a test?
I saw her body shaking when she stepped out from that office.
She is now very upset, very depressed and refused to eat tonight!!

WHAT IS THE POINT TO BRING SUCH A HARDSHIP TO AN OLD LADY????
 
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petersiddle28

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Test for 80 year old?

Who has to take the test
You must take the citizenship test if:

you are between the ages of 18 and 54, and
you meet the basic conditions for citizenship.
 
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petersiddle28 said:
Test for 80 year old?

Who has to take the test
You must take the citizenship test if:

you are between the ages of 18 and 54, and
you meet the basic conditions for citizenship.
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She didn't fail the test - that's not the problem.

She couldn't say the oath. In other words, she was at the oath ceremony where a judge says the oath piece by piece and everyone is supposed to repeat the oath after the judge - and she couldn't repeat what the judge had said.
 
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sunshinemrc

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Likely this was not a test. This was just the Oath of Citizenship. If she cannot take the Oath of Citizenship she cannot become a citizen.

Since December 2011, CIC has been watching to make sure all new Canadians recite the oath verbatim, which includes asking women to remove their veils from their face.
 
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ray2k

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Nov 1, 2013
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She dose not need to take that multiple choice test, but to say her oath of citizenship in English on the day she is invited to get the citizen card.
 
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sunshinemrc

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ray2k said:
She dose not need to take that multiple choice test, but to say her oath of citizenship in English on the day she is invited to get the citizen card.
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It is the law, she has to recite the Oath, without it she will not be granted citizenship. My best advise is that you record it for her in your voice slowly, and have her listen to it repeatedly until she is able to memorize it.
 
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ray2k

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It used to be a group of people say the vow together, not individually, in front of a judge.
Now they change the rule and you have to say in front of an office, not a judge.
It is understandable if you are much younger, but not an old lady of such age!
She is still not eating now!
 
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ray2k

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can't expect an old lady to learn English now.
She was very frightened when she saw an officer and could not speak out.
She will fail the other time.
 
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sunshinemrc

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Some ceremonies are in groups, however there are many officers in the group ones who watch the participants. If an officer reports to a judge that one of the person in the group did not say it, they will withhold that persons citizenship and invite that person to take the Oath again.

If you want her to get citizenship, unfortunately you have no other choice but to help her learn it and coach her through it. Of if you think this is too stressful for her, have her remain a PR.
 
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ray2k

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Plus, the officer asked her some other questions, like how many kids you have: who bring you here.... She did not know English and got panic.
 
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sunshinemrc

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She does not have to learn english, just memorize the Oath. I understand she is older and it may take some time, but try to have her memorize 1 or 2 lines of the Oath each week.

I swear That I will be faithful (week 1-2)

And bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, (week 3-4)

Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, (week 5-6)

And that I will faithfully observe The laws of Canada (week 7 -8)

And fulfill my duties as a Canadian citizen (week 9)
 
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sunshinemrc

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Don't get discouraged. You can help your mom through this. If she has grandkids, they can learn it and repeat with her.
 
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ray2k

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They asked you to talk to an officer in front of the window first before sending you into the hall to say the oath in a whole group.
If you fail, you have to go home.
 
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sunshinemrc

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It's been many years since I did it, don't really remember.

Just take it one day at a time. Hopefully she will feel better in the morning and you can let her know you will help her be ready for next time. Bottom line, she will have to say the Oath, there is no way, or special circumstances to not say it and still get citizenship.
 
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ray2k

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Thanks for the advice ,but now I have to persuade her to eat.
They can let really old person say the vow word by word instead of: queen elizabeth the second --totally 8 syllables
 
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