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What does "corp-to-corp" mean?

donutbox

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Lets say I am being offered a job in the Montreal area (working as an engineer with 6 years experience for a "top" IT company), and the job agency indicates that the salary is $35/hr all inclusive on a corp-to-corp transaction.




Can someone explain to me what does all inclusive and corp-to-corp transaction mean?


Also, does anybody know what the living expenses (like rent, food, utilities, transportation etc) are like in Montreal?


Also, do I have to pay taxes (or any other "fees") to the government?
 

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you work for this agency and this agency puts you to work in other client or another recruiting agency.For eg
You work for Company A.There is another company call it Client A.Company A would send you to work for Client A and charge for your services but pay you $30/hr even if Client pay the company $60.
Another possibility is company A sends you to Company B who in turn send you to client A. Ultimately there will be people in the middle eating your pie
 

donutbox

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spprivate said:
you work for this agency and this agency puts you to work in other client or another recruiting agency.For eg
You work for Company A.There is another company call it Client A.Company A would send you to work for Client A and charge for your services but pay you $30/hr even if Client pay the company $60.
Another possibility is company A sends you to Company B who in turn send you to client A. Ultimately there will be people in the middle eating your pie


Thanks for your quick response and explanation. Unfortunately, I don't have much of a choice but to let them eat some of my pie if I want the job.


By any chance do you know if $35/hr for an IT engineer for a "top" company is an ok/good/great rate ?
 

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Depends on your experience.But if you are just moving to Canada,I would rather grab it and settle down .After some time you can start looking for better ones
 

donutbox

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spprivate said:
Depends on your experience.But if you are just moving to Canada,I would rather grab it and settle down .After some time you can start looking for better ones


Lets say 6 years experience. I definitely would/will grab it....but at the same time I just want to have an idea of what I am getting into, this would be a big step for me. The problem is, I dont/wont have much time to way the pros and the cons, I am somewhat at the stage where I am being asked to say yes (or no) to the possible offer
 

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Can you share your experience how you got the job through consultant? This will benefit other members of the group.
 

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It's definitely a good rate considering that you just arrived in Canada. sometimes starters would have to work on $8.5/hr so you are getting very good rate. Montreal isn't very expensive to live either so you are good to go. All inclusive means everything is included in the rate they are offering you, no separate allowances will be given.
 

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it is not IT engineering job.it is some part time job in Super market for survival..dont worry.go ahead
 

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donutbox said:
Lets say I am being offered a job in the Montreal area (working as an engineer with 6 years experience for a "top" IT company), and the job agency indicates that the salary is $35/hr all inclusive on a corp-to-corp transaction.




Can someone explain to me what does all inclusive and corp-to-corp transaction mean?


Also, does anybody know what the living expenses (like rent, food, utilities, transportation etc) are like in Montreal?


Also, do I have to pay taxes (or any other "fees") to the government?
As I know about corp to corp in the USA :
Assuming the U.S. (since that's what your profile says), the differences are:

1.If you own a corporation, there's more reporting to the IRS and state (quarterly for small business and regular corporations) and you pay payroll taxes quarterly (or more, depending on your payroll amount).
2.Corporations and LLC's can take more exemptions than 1099's (technically, a corp-to-corp arrangement also often receives a 1099 so it's more accurate to call "1099" self-employed or schedule-C [schedule-C is where one reports earned income for which they did not receive a W2]).
3.Generally, you get paid a lot less as a W2 contractor. There are various reasons for this (vacation, healthcare coverage, etc.)
4.Besides the quarterly (or more) payroll tax deposits to the IRS and state, you must also prepare the year-end W2 and W3 for the employees (yourself) and the social security administration. And, of course, you must do the year-end tax return for the fed (1120) and the state (these are due March 15 instead of April 15 -- a month earlier).
5.You (usually) must invoice your client (if you're working through a contractor, then you'd be invoicing them, not the client you work at), for each period specified in your contract paperwork. Often it's every two weeks, but could be less or more. This is over-and-above the timesheet requirement.
6.Corp-to-corps are usually paid net-30, meaning you won't see any money until 30 days after your first invoice is sent (assuming they pay on-time). So, if the contract says you invoice every two weeks, and the payment terms are net-30, you won't see a dollar until approximately 40-45 days after you start working. This can be a killer if you're not prepared.
The risk and cost to you as a W2 contractor are nill. Usually, to do corp-to-corp, you must carry your own liability insurance (for me, in AZ, it's about $1,500/yr, yours may vary significantly depending on the nature of the contract work and your state). There are more risks and more paperwork as you move from W2, to self-employed/schedule-C/1099, to corp-to-corp, as well as more advantages. There are a bunch of start-up costs for a corporation, depending on which state you do it in (CA is very expensive, whereas AZ is pretty cheap). In some states it's easy enough to do on your own, in others, it's easier to have a lawyer take care of it for you.

Doing payroll can also be a pain as a corporation. You can do it by hand (I did for an entire year), or you can get QuickBooks and let it do it for you (that's what I do now, and it's way easier). Also, you'll probably need an accountant, although, again, I did my own accounting for a while (it's easier if you're by yourself. As soon as you have a partner, it becomes complicated. More employees are actually not at all difficult, just partners/joint owners because of the Schedule K-1).

As a corporation, it's also a good idea to have a separate bank account and credit accounts for the corporation to make sure your stuff stays separate. The IRS doesn't like it when funds mingle and with separate accounts it's easy to show they haven't.

As you can see, it's not merely just, "uuuum, I choose option B,", there's a lot more to it.

One last note: if you do just plain 1099/self-employed, you will probably need to make quarterly estimated tax payments or else you'll owe interest and penalties when you do your personal 1040 at the end of the tax year.

Edit: one last thing I thought of re-reading one of the other answers: as a corporation, it's your responsibility to make sure your clients pay you. Sometimes (a lot of times) they pay late. Sometimes they don't pay at all. It's not unusual to have clients go 90 days past due on invoices. You need to build up a cash cushion so you can handle that. You also have to weigh your ability to deal with deadbeat clients. This is probably the worst part of doing corp-to-corp contract work.

Typically corp-to-corp agreements are cheaper on the contracting organization (say KForce) because it relieves them of certain legal requirements and other liability costs. For example, on a corp-to-corp arrangement they would not have to pay workers comp or unemployment insurance for you, as well as no payroll taxes. This amounts to real dollars and usually can mean as much as 5-10 per hour bump in the rate they are willing to give you. Most of these orgs also carry general liability insurance for each contractor and that has a cost which is in your hands if you go this route.

All together I think it is a better deal for both parties if you can work this way, there is more risk and liability on your part but if you have a proper level of protection personally (ie the liability shield of a corporation) then it should work out good.

Also, I think your wrong about the billing. If you are working at XBank on a contract from KForce and your corporation is MyCorp then MyCorp will bill KForce who will then handle billing with XBank. The nice thing is that KForce (or whoever else) acts as a default shield for you, if the client doesnt pay for whatever reason KForce will still pay you in most cases.
 

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corp to corp also known as C2C and even also called business to business or B2B.
 

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Nice detailed answer.I would rather paste this link here
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/428636/what-does-corp-to-corp-contracting-mean-exactly ;D
 

Ravi2014

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Could anyone please let me know,how to get an experience certificate for this kind of c2c ..

Working for a recruiting company who pays everything but working for a client and no way related to client in any other way.

Now i have to get the reference letter from Client or my employer?

if the client is not willing to give the letter..what should be the next step..Can anyone answer this please on how to get reference letters for this situation of c2c.

Thanks