what are te potential issues getting PR my GF/wife if she is pregnant ?

[storm_stayed]

so here is the situation.
I am a CDN citizen , my GF and i are planning to get married , right now we are thinking late 2018 early 2019 . I am fairly certain I understand the PR application if i sponsor her as a spouse , and i don't anticipate much of a problem there . she would likely be able to immigrate here on her own based on the point system any way.

the potential problem I am specifically concerned about is if she gets pregnant before we get married or before we start the PR process . She is coming over this spring on her vacation , and we have been talking about trying to get pregnant then . she is in her late 30s and I am in my mid 40s , we both want to have children and start a family together, and we are aware that time is not in our favor . So while it might seem imprudent to rush things a bit , waiting a year or more increases our age and the potential health risks to her . So there are legit reasons why it makes some sense to begin trying sooner rather than later .

If we are fortunate enough to get pregnant sooner rather than later , I want to be ready and know what needs to be done in order to get her here and start the PR process as quickly as possible . My concern is that she and our child get the best medical care possible .
( bitch all you want about the Cdn health care system , but when it comes to the health of my wife and child I want them here , getting looked after in our system . Having a short wait to see a good competent doctor with access to modern equipment and support , is worlds better than no wait for for a doctor in a developing country, who even if they have the the training has limited acces to equipment and resources )
Anyway that is enough on that rant . My GF is currently healthy , but pregnancy over 35 is risky and the further past 35 the riskier it gets . I checked with my provincial health care system , and as long as she is my spouse, she can apply for provincial health coverage as soon as she applies for PR , which is awesome , it means if she is here she will be covered quickly .

So the question is , if she is pregnant b4 she comes over for the final time when we apply for PR from within Canada how does this affect her application for PR or even her ability to enter the country .
She currently has a 10 year multiple entry visa ,i think it is a super visa but am not 100% sure , it does allow her to come and go as she pleases . she has been here before , owns property in her home country , has resources and is well educated . she currently has a professional job , but will be leaving that b4 she comes over for the final trip .

My first instinct , if she tells me we are pregnant ,will be that i want her on the next flight over here and that we get married right away here in Canada . then apply for PR and MSI right away. Then we go see a real western doctor .
That will be me operating on instinct , and I can see where that can potentially lead to problems, or things getting overlooked in the rush . So I am trying to figure out what I need to know and do in advance in case we are lucky enough to get pregnant sooner rather than later .

Any input / advice on what i need to know , do or be aware of would be appreciated .
As well as any procedures , paperwork , forms that change with her being pregnant will be helpful
Also is there a time line or limit to when she can come if she is pregnant .
for example , it may be easier for her to enter Canada if she is only a couple months pregnant vs not being allowed if she is further along in the pregnancy .
would it be better for me to fly there marry her in her home country and fly back with her or fly her here and marry her here .

thanks for any help you can offer .
I know i rambled a bit so if you need more info pls let me know
Thanks

 

[ahmedwaly]

I guess for your situation best is she come with you and apply inland as time frame is longer than what they say even they claim is 12 months it can be shorter sometimes, but while she is there you can have a child plus living together until all done the only risk that she might give birth before PR and you have to pay for it on your own but I guess is better option than Outland as she can get also work permit during process if Outland she will not get work permit plus they say now both Outland and inland is 12 months.

In general not speculate much how it will be processed as CIC never stop to surprise us how they deal with every case differently and some people apply after you get done before you or ask for strange unexpected documents, just prepare good send file and hope for best
Others here might help you too with thier mind ,
I wish you all best for the process and your new family.

 

[Rob_TO]

I checked with my provincial health care system , and as long as she is my spouse, she can apply for provincial health coverage as soon as she applies for PR , which is awesome , it means if she is here she will be covered quickly .

Assuming you're in NS, make sure you confirm this. Some call centre reps don't always know the actual rules and applicants are surprised when they run into problems trying to register.
So ask specifically what proof they require to show a PR app has been applied for, and whether the PR app needs to be INLAND or OUTLAND app. Some provinces accept PR applicants, but only after a certain stage has been reached in their PR app. You better confirm all this before hand since you'll be dealing with an expensive medical situation.

Other than that, your plan is fine. She can come to Canada at anytime as a visitor, and you can get married and submit a PR app. Really doesn't matter if she's pregnant at the time, and unless she's obviously pregnant she doesn't even need to inform CBSA upon entry that she's pregnant.

You will need to research if you want to submit an INLAND or OUTLAND app.
An INLAND app will allow her to get an Open Work Permit and stay in Canada for entire duration of process. But it's expected she will also not leave Canada for any reason during the process, so not a good choice if she intends to travel back to home country a lot.
An OUTLAND app is processed in her home country, but she can stay in Canada as a visitor during the process, extending her stay as needed. One can come and go from Canada with OUTLAND app in progress. Negatives are there is no OWP, and in case an interview is required (doesn't usually happen) she would need to fly back to her home country to attend it.

Also once she gets pregnant, she may or may not want to do the chest x-ray portion of the medical exam. If her or her doctor want to wait until baby is born to do the x-ray, this will cause medical to be deferred and the PR app may be delayed while waiting.

 

[ahmedwaly]

Assuming you're in NS, make sure you confirm this. Some call centre reps don't always know the actual rules and applicants are surprised when they run into problems trying to register.
So ask specifically what proof they require to show a PR app has been applied for, and whether the PR app needs to be INLAND or OUTLAND app. Some provinces accept PR applicants, but only after a certain stage has been reached in their PR app. You better confirm all this before hand since you'll be dealing with an expensive medical situation.

Other than that, your plan is fine. She can come to Canada at anytime as a visitor, and you can get married and submit a PR app. Really doesn't matter if she's pregnant at the time, and unless she's obviously pregnant she doesn't need to inform CBSA upon entry that she's pregnant.

You will need to research if you want to submit an INLAND or OUTLAND app.
An INLAND app will allow her to get an Open Work Permit and stay in Canada for entire duration of process. But it's expected she will also not leave Canada for any reason during the process, so not a good choice if she intends to travel back to home country a lot.
An OUTLAND app is processed in her home country, but she can stay in Canada as a visitor during the process, extending her stay as needed. One can come and go from Canada with OUTLAND app in progress.

Also once she gets pregnant, she may or may not want to do the chest x-ray portion of the medical exam. If her or her doctor want to wait until baby is born to do the x-ray, this will cause medical to be deferred and the PR app may be delayed while waiting.

Nice short explanation of the system

 

[storm_stayed]

Assuming you're in NS, make sure you confirm this. Some call centre reps don't always know the actual rules and applicants are surprised when they run into problems trying to register.
So ask specifically what proof they require to show a PR app has been applied for, and whether the PR app needs to be INLAND or OUTLAND app. Some provinces accept PR applicants, but only after a certain stage has been reached in their PR app. You better confirm all this before hand since you'll be dealing with an expensive medical situation.

Other than that, your plan is fine. She can come to Canada at anytime as a visitor, and you can get married and submit a PR app. Really doesn't matter if she's pregnant at the time, and unless she's obviously pregnant she doesn't even need to inform CBSA upon entry that she's pregnant.

You will need to research if you want to submit an INLAND or OUTLAND app.
An INLAND app will allow her to get an Open Work Permit and stay in Canada for entire duration of process. But it's expected she will also not leave Canada for any reason during the process, so not a good choice if she intends to travel back to home country a lot.
An OUTLAND app is processed in her home country, but she can stay in Canada as a visitor during the process, extending her stay as needed. One can come and go from Canada with OUTLAND app in progress. Negatives are there is no OWP, and in case an interview is required (doesn't usually happen) she would need to fly back to her home country to attend it.

Also once she gets pregnant, she may or may not want to do the chest x-ray portion of the medical exam. If her or her doctor want to wait until baby is born to do the x-ray, this will cause medical to be deferred and the PR app may be delayed while waiting.

thankyou that is extremely helpful

 

[storm_stayed]

just to follow up , in-case it will be helpful to anyone else . looking at the same situation in Nova Scotia

I talked to MSI just now and they confirmed that as my spouse she will be eligible for MSI once she applys for PR status .
The documents needed by MSI are :
1. copy of the receipt showing that we have paid the PR fees
2. copy of the receipt or proof that the PR application has been submitted .
This can be a receipt form the post office(registered letter i assume) , courier ,showing we sent the application in OR confirmation letter from the govt that they have received the application
3. Copy of our marriage certificate
4. Copy of her birth certificate or passport showing proof of age .

I told the lady , who was very helpful , about our plan to start a family , and my concern with my GFs age and a possible higher risk pregnancy , she said it usually takes them about 2 days to process the MSI application , however I can drive it down to Dartmouth or fax the info in if we need it done faster .

Her MSI # will be valid for 4 years . Once she receives her PR status , we need to inform MSI and they will update her card so it is an open ended card

I asked specifically if the PR application needed to be at a certain stage before coverage could be applied for and the lady said nope , we could apply as soon as we have sent in the application for her PR , and had the necessary documentation .

thank you again for the info given , if was very helpful .

 

[WorkerInCanada123]

Just keep in mind that the medical exam as part of the PR process requires a chest x-ray, which is not recommended take if you are pregnant due to risks to your unborn child (and the largest risks are in the very early stages of pregnancy - so even if you are trying to get pregnant do not get the x-ray!). I am a fertility specialist so this is my area of expertise!

If your wife becomes pregnant before the medical exam has been requested, she will have to delay the medical exam until your after your child is born. This will thus delay the processing of your PR application.

 

[Rob_TO]

Just keep in mind that the medical exam as part of the PR process requires a chest x-ray, which is not recommended take if you are pregnant due to risks to your unborn child (and the largest risks are in the very early stages of pregnancy - so even if you are trying to get pregnant do not get the x-ray!). I am a fertility specialist so this is my area of expertise!

If your wife becomes pregnant before the medical exam has been requested, she will have to delay the medical exam until your after your child is born. This will thus delay the processing of your PR application.

One should know too that a pregnant woman would receive the same if not more radiation exposure from a long flight vs a chest x-ray wearing protective apron, yet pregnant women fly all the time without a second thought in all stages of pregnancy.

 

[WorkerInCanada123]

That's not true. The radiation dose of cosmic rays from flying is MUCH less than that of x-rays from a chest x-ray.

Radiation dose from flying: 0.003 mSv
Radiation dose from chest x-ray: 7 mSv

Even if you were a frequent flyer, the risk from flying doesn't compare to that of a chest x-ray.

 

[Rob_TO]

That's not true. The radiation dose of cosmic rays from flying is MUCH less than that of x-rays from a chest x-ray.

Radiation dose from flying: 0.003 mSv
Radiation dose from chest x-ray: 7 mSv

Even if you were a frequent flyer, the risk from flying doesn't compare to that of a chest x-ray.

Your numbers are way off and grossly misstated.

For a 10 hour flight, the total (whole body) radiation exposure overall would be approx 0.05 mSv. Actual amount could be more or less depending on actual length of flight, altitude, and solar flare activity at the time.
http://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/pregnancyandflying.html

And the radiation dose for chest x-ray is concentrated to the chest, not the fetus area which would be protected by a lead apron. From the chest xray the radiation dose to fetus would be approx 0.00007 rad = 0.007 mSv
https://www.aafp.org/afp/1999/0401/p1813.html

There are numerous other studies on this with slightly different numbers but in the same ballpark. All studies say x-rays (be it chest, dental, etc) with proper covering of abdomen during pregnancy, are perfectly safe and an insignificant risk.

This is not to state pregnant women should simply take chest x-rays, of course there is still some tiny risk even if not a significant one. Same goes for a pregnant women drinking caffeine, raw fish, small amounts of wine, etc etc. All are done at discretion of the individual and at the advice of their doctors.
Also while everyone is well aware of radiation exposure during an x-ray, very few are aware of similar does one gets on a single flight.