WES Evaluation and Express Entry

[anuch2588]

Yes as it says AND

Thank you so much for the reply . My score is highly dependent on it

 

[koolesri]

Hi,

My WES evaluation has come out as following, can anyone help me in interpreting if this can be considered as two or more degree, diplomas or only as an education that is three years or more. In this post wherever people we recommended to consider two or more degrees had in the summary two degrees highlighted. Can anyone suggest to me how to take this forward. I had tried reaching out to WES couple of times asking why they didnt consider my second credential in the Summary eventhough it was valid in the detailed evaluation.
Should I continue to push WES or should I try any other alternative route to get this program of mine recognized.:

CANADIAN EQUIVALENCY SUMMARY

Bachelor's degree (four years)

CREDENTIAL ANALYSIS
1. Name on Credential: XXXXX
Credential Authentication: Documents were sent directly by the institution
Country: India
Credential: Bachelor of Engineering
Year: 2001
Awarded By: University of XXXXX
Status: Recognized Institution
Major/Specialization: XXXXX Engineering
Canadian Equivalency: Bachelor's degree (four years)

2. Name on Credential: XXXXX
Credential Authentication: Documents were sent directly by the institution
Country: India
Credential: Executive Postgraduate Diploma in Business Management
Year: 2017
Awarded By: Symbiosis International University
Status: Recognized Institution
Major/Specialization: Business Management
Canadian Equivalency: Completion of an executive management program offered by a graduate
school of business

 

[koolesri]

To enter your education credentials you must know the Canadian equivalent duration. There are two questions in EE education history section regarding the duration of the program, one is about the actual duration which you know already, another one is duration mentioned in the ECA report. Your education points will be completely based on the duration and level of education mentioned in the ECA report not on your actual duration and level. Unfortunately WES did not mention the duration of your management program so it is difficult to guess whether or not IRCC will accept it if you enter 1 year as the duration of this program (ECA). But this is not WES's fault, actually they are not the designated institute to evaluate such credentials. Please check below-

Two or more post-secondary credentials (three-year or longer post-secondary credential required)
Points: 22
Designated organizations assessment outcomes
A three-year or longer post-secondary credential in combination with any of the post secondary educational credentials listed below. This excludes secondary school credentials.

Post-secondary educational credentials could also include post-baccalaureate or post-graduate credentials as follows:

• Post-bachelor’s certificate
• Post-undergraduate certificateFootnotei
• Post-bachelor’s diploma
• Post-undergraduate diplomaFootnotei
• Graduate certificate
• Graduate certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]Footnotei
• Postgraduate certificate
• Postgraduate diploma
• Graduate diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]Footnotei
• Graduate diplomaFootnotei
• Two-year postgraduate diploma, specializing in [name of discipline]
• Two-year bachelor’s degree after a degree with a focus in [area of concentration]Footnotei
• One-year postgraduate certificate in [name of discipline]
• One-year of graduate study with a focus in [area of concentration]Footnotei
• Study toward a master’s degree

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/economic-classes/federal-skilled-workers/selection-criteria-education-equivalency-assessment-outcomes-education-points.html

If you click on the Footnotei then you will see the below message-

This equivalency assessment outcome applies to reports issued by either the International Credential Evaluation Service (ICES), British Columbia Institute of Technology, or the International Qualifications Assessment Service (IQAS), Government of Alberta. These designated organizations provide equivalency assessment outcomes in English only.

I had one additional query, given that WES has already evaluated my Primary Degree, is it worthwhile just sending my Second EPGDBM for evaluation to IQAS instead of spending on transcripts for the first BE degree or do I need to send them both for evaluation?

 

[koolesri]

I had one additional query, given that WES has already evaluated my Primary Degree, is it worthwhile just sending my Second EPGDBM for evaluation to IQAS instead of spending on transcripts for the first BE degree or do I need to send them both for evaluation?

 

[ishq74]

I had one additional query, given that WES has already evaluated my Primary Degree, is it worthwhile just sending my Second EPGDBM for evaluation to IQAS instead of spending on transcripts for the first BE degree or do I need to send them both for evaluation?

If you send only second credential then you have to use both WES report (for bachelors) and IQAS (for EPGDBM) and Visa Officer will be aware about WES evaluation. In that case it will be the visa officer's discretion to accept either evaluations of your EPGDBM. So don't take any chance, send the bachelor degree and EPGDBM and use only IQAS report for EE.

Good Luck!

 

[koolesri]

If you send only second credential then you have to use both WES report (for bachelors) and IQAS (for EPGDBM) and Visa Officer will be aware about WES evaluation. In that case it will be the visa officer's discretion to accept either evaluations of your EPGDBM. So don't take any chance, send the bachelor degree and EPGDBM and use only IQAS report for EE.

Good Luck!

Thanks for the quick revert. One final question, do you have any idea if my EPGDBM degree will get recognized by IQAS?

 

[ishq74]

Thanks for the quick revert. One final question, do you have any idea if my EPGDBM degree will get recognized by IQAS?

Sorry no idea.

GL

 

[canpr2019]

Hi @ishq74

Below is my WES ECA report, pl advise if I am eligible for two or more certificates diplomas or degrees

Canadian Equivalency Summary - Bachelors Degree (four years)

Credential Analysis -
1. ----
Credential - Bachelor of Science
Institution Status - Recognized
Admission Requirements - Secondary School Education
Length of program - 3 years
Canadian Equivalency - Bachelors Degree (three years)

2. ----
Credential - Master of Science
Institution Status - Recognized
Admission Requirements - Bachelor's Degree
Length of program - 2 years
Canadian Equivalency - Bachelors Degree (four years)
Remarks - The equivalency for this credential is stated in conjunction with previously completed (see #1 above)

 

[ishq74]

Hi @ishq74

Below is my WES ECA report, pl advise if I am eligible for two or more certificates diplomas or degrees

Canadian Equivalency Summary - Bachelors Degree (four years)

Credential Analysis -
1. ----
Credential - Bachelor of Science
Institution Status - Recognized
Admission Requirements - Secondary School Education
Length of program - 3 years
Canadian Equivalency - Bachelors Degree (three years)

2. ----
Credential - Master of Science
Institution Status - Recognized
Admission Requirements - Bachelor's Degree
Length of program - 2 years
Canadian Equivalency - Bachelors Degree (four years)
Remarks - The equivalency for this credential is stated in conjunction with previously completed (see #1 above)

This report is from WES. They identified your Bachelor degree is a part of the Masters degree. According to them it is not two separate degrees, basically you can claim either Bachelor's degree (3 years) or Masters degree equivalent Bachelor's degree (four years). If you still fill out your EE profile by mentioning both degrees separately then system will award you points for "two or more" but it will be visa officer's discretion to accept it or reject it. You can try IQAS, ICES as alternative ECA authority. They may evaluate them separately and in that case you will safely be awarded points for "two or more degrees".

Good Luck!

 

[jansu]

I have BCA (Bachelor of computer Application) 3 years & MCA (Master of computer application) 3 years. Am i eligible to select as Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees.


Also WES is only listing my Master degree institution. Bachelore degree institution not listed. Is both required for evaluation. How both degree can be evaluate if WES not listing my institution.


Is only master degree sufficient for PR apply?

 

[camonia88]

What is the WES equivalence for "3 years diploma then Lateral entry to 2nd year of 4 years B.Tech Program":
"2 diplomas/degrees" OR "4 year bachelor degree"?

I have done 10th then 3 years diploma then 4 years b.tech (lateral entry to 2nd year) .
Can I select 2 or more diploma/degree option for my application?

I appreciate your firm response on this. Thank you!

 

[poojitha_rulez]

Hello, need help in filling WES profile
I have done an executive program(EPYM-Executive program for young managers) of 1 year from IIMC, what options should I select on WES ?
what should I select field of study as ? what will happen i i leave it blank ?

 

[Omar Farooq]

Assuming your both credentials (you don't need secondary diploma credential so I am ignoring it) are from WES recognized institute, you will be awarded points for "Two or more certificates, diplomas or degree" because you have four years bachelors degree Plus one year long certificate which falls under "One-year degree, diploma or certificate from a program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute".

To get clear picture read below, I have given you instruction how to fill up these in EE profile at the end of the post in Italic font.

Many people's understanding of "two or more degree" points are not clear enough. People often get confused by the list provided under 1st section and ignore the other three sections below. People think only a minimum 3 years long bachelor's or diploma Plus a post graduate study can be counted but in real we can count any post secondary diploma or certificates (minimum 1 year) and a minimum 3 years degree or diploma to get points for "Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees".

Here are IRCC guidelines- https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/become-candidate/eligibility/education-assessed/read-report.html

Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees.
Important notice: One must be for a program of three or more years.

ECA assessment results:
A three-year or more certificate, diploma, or degree

PLUS any of the results in the SECTIONS below (not including secondary/high school), or:

• Post-Bachelor's Certificate
• Post-undergraduate certificate
• Post-Bachelor's Diploma
• Post-undergraduate diploma
• Graduate Certificate
• Graduate Certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Postgraduate certificate
• Postgraduate Diploma
• Graduate Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Graduate diploma
• two-year Postgraduate Diploma, specializing in [name of discipline]
• two-year Bachelor’s after degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
• one-year Postgraduate Certificate in [name of discipline]
• Dual Bachelor’s degree (four years)

Or
Bachelor’s degree or other programs (three or more years) at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
ECA assessment results:

• College Diploma (three years)
• Diploma (three years)
• Three-year diploma in [name of discipline]
• Three-year advanced diploma
• Bachelor's Degree
• Applied Bachelor's Degree
• Bachelor's degree (three years)
• Three-year Bachelor's degree, specializing in [name of discipline]
• Three-year Bachelor degree
• Bachelor's degree (four years)
• Four-year Bachelor's degree, specializing in [name of discipline]
• Four-year Bachelor degree
• Four-year advanced diploma
• Three-year post-secondary Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Bachelor’s degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Applied Bachelor’s degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Bachelor of Technology degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Three-year Bachelor’s degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Four-year Bachelor’s degree with a focus in [area of concentration]

Or
Two-year degree, diploma or certificate from a program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
ECA assessment results:

• College Diploma
• College Diploma (two years)
• Diploma (two years)
• Two-year diploma
• Two-year diploma in [name of discipline]
• Secondary school diploma and diploma (two years)
• Associate Degree
• Associate of [Arts/Science] degree
• Post-secondary Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Two-year post-secondary Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]
• Two-year associate degree

Or
One-year degree, diploma or certificate from a program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
ECA assessment results:

• College Certificate
• Completion of College-level certificate
• University Certificate
• University Diploma
• One-year certificate in [name of discipline]
• Post-secondary certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
• One-year Post-secondary certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
• One-year certificate

You will not get points for "two or more" if your ECA on diploma or certificates come as follows-

Secondary school (high school diploma)
ECA assessment results:

• Secondary School Graduation
• Secondary School Diploma
• High School Equivalency Certificate
• Certificate of High School Achievement
• Certificate of High School Achievement [plus/including] [specialized/vocational/technical] training in X
• High School Diploma
• High School Diploma [plus/including] [specialized/vocational/technical] training in X
• Grade 12 (high school completion)

An applicant will get points for "two or more..." if he/she has a minimum 3 years bachelors degree Plus any diploma-certificates under

1st section [which is post graduate] OR

2nd section [which is three years long degree, certificates or diplomas], OR

3rd section [which is two years long degree, certificates or diplomas] OR

4th section [which is one year long degree, certificates or diplomas].

Applicants will not be awarded points for "two or more.." if their diploma-certificate was evaluated as any one of them listed below-

Secondary school (high school diploma)
ECA assessment results:

• Secondary School Graduation
• Secondary School Diploma
• High School Equivalency Certificate
• Certificate of High School Achievement
• Certificate of High School Achievement [plus/including] [specialized/vocational/technical] training in X
• High School Diploma
• High School Diploma [plus/including] [specialized/vocational/technical] training in X
• Grade 12 (high school completion)

As you can see your second credential falls under one year long degree, certificates or diplomas thus you will get points for "Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees".
When you will be creating EE profile you will be asked to fill up eligibility questionnaire first. You will be asked to answer your "Level of Education"- here you should select "Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees."
If you score 67 and become eligible you will be able to create your EE profile. Here in education section you need to create two separate fields for your two credentials.

For your degree "Level of education" would be your actual level of education- this could bachelors degree or masters as some people get masters evaluated as bachelors (check your certificate) then you will see another question for "level of education according to the ECA report", here you need to enter your level of education as per ECA which would be "Bachelor's degree (four years)".

Similarly for your second credential "Level of education" would be your actual level of education- this could be one or two year diploma (check your certificate). Here "level of education according to the ECA report", would be "Completion of a college-level certificate (one year)".

Submit your profile you will be awarded points for "Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees." You are very lucky to have two post secondary credentials because now if you can score Listening-8, Reading-7, Writing-7 and Speaking-7 in IELTS then you would be awarded extra skill transferability points which may take you near current CRS Cutoff Score.

Hope it helps, Good Luck!

Dear ashaq74

Kindly look into this matter for me I am from pakistan and I have done my bachelor's in architecture 5 years and and now I'm doing masters in project management from szabist ..
The masters program is a 33 credit hour program and is recognized by the HEC .. I am taking full load and will be done in two semesters. One is completed while the next semester will start in Feb and finish in May.

Total 11 courses .. 3 cr hour each .. that's 33 cr hours.
I will be going for my eca through WES as it has both my universities on it's panels .. National college of Arts and SZABIST. And both programs also show in the list.

My question is will my masters degree be considered for evaluation? As it's being completed in a years time .. in actual it's for. September to May! That's not even a complete year .. but it's HEC recognized ..

Even if I get 2 or more degrees as an ECA I will still have enough points to qualify for my ITA. But the question is will this be evaluated .. 5years bachelor's and 1 year master

Can you please guide me regarding this!

 

[ishq74]

Dear ashaq74

Kindly look into this matter for me I am from pakistan and I have done my bachelor's in architecture 5 years and and now I'm doing masters in project management from szabist ..
The masters program is a 33 credit hour program and is recognized by the HEC .. I am taking full load and will be done in two semesters. One is completed while the next semester will start in Feb and finish in May.

Total 11 courses .. 3 cr hour each .. that's 33 cr hours.
I will be going for my eca through WES as it has both my universities on it's panels .. National college of Arts and SZABIST. And both programs also show in the list.

My question is will my masters degree be considered for evaluation? As it's being completed in a years time .. in actual it's for. September to May! That's not even a complete year .. but it's HEC recognized ..

Even if I get 2 or more degrees as an ECA I will still have enough points to qualify for my ITA. But the question is will this be evaluated .. 5years bachelor's and 1 year master

Can you please guide me regarding this!

I am not in your field so cannot exactly tell you what you would come out from ECA. But as far as I know, bachelors in Architecture is a professional degree like MBBS and WES will evaluate it as first professional degree which is equivalent to a Masters degree so you actually don't need the second credential to claim points for "two or more degrees" because Masters degree points are always greater than "two degrees" points. Send your Architecture degree to WES and wait for the report. If it comes out as Professional degree then you will get CRS points equivalent to masters, otherwise you can use your second credential to claim points for "two or more". In the mean time you should continue your study. Your original degree duration does not matter, WES will see the final degree level. If it is recognized as Masters degree in Pakistan then WES will evaluate it according to their mechanism to evaluate a Masters degree. If you get this evaluated as one year program if not masters then still it will help you to fetch extra crs points.

Hope it helps, Good Luck!

 

[Harish_91]

Hello guys
I need a little help here .I have done bachelors (4 years ) following that i did post graduation diploma (6 months ).
Am i eligible to select as Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees ?
Thanks in advance.