Visitor Visa Rejection

[sukhshant]

I don’t know conversion but your funds (especially business) are not relevant. How much cash in the bank do they have (not fixed deposits). They need to show they have funds without using all their savings. A month long visit may be too long if their funds are not enough. For a 2 week visit, around $10k per person would be an okay amount.

We showed their funds like below

Father Account 4,82,235 CAD 7,879
Mother Account 4,63,884 eqv CAD 7579
One FD 1,16,444 eqv CAD 1902
Second FD 1,18,807 eqv CAD 1930

My husband and I showed in Business Account CAD 36000

Why they mentioned

2. The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.

Also
Do you think my husband is sponsoring and not me as their daughter can also affect the case? If I sponsor as their daughter will put some effect.

 

[sukhshant]

We showed their funds like below

Father Account 4,82,235 CAD 7,879
Mother Account 4,63,884 eqv CAD 7579
One FD 1,16,444 eqv CAD 1902
Second FD 1,18,807 eqv CAD 1930

My husband and I showed in Business Account CAD 36000

Why they mentioned

2. The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.

Also
Do you think my husband is sponsoring and not me as their daughter can also affect the case? If I sponsor as their daughter will put some effect.

They will be staying with me and their will not be any accommodation cost involved.

 

[canuck78]

They will be staying with me and their will not be any accommodation cost involved.

You still need to show that they could afford to pay because there are cases where there is family breakdown during the trip. Your business savings would never count since you should only be using the funds for the business. Your parents funds are the most important but showing your personal cash savings can’t hurt. Do they own a home? Do they need to return home to collect a pension for example?

 

[sukhshant]

You still need to show that they could afford to pay because there are cases where there is family breakdown during the trip. Your business savings would never count since you should only be using the funds for the business. Your parents funds are the most important but showing your personal cash savings can’t hurt. Do they own a home? Do they need to return home to collect a pension for example?

Yes they own a house the property paper was attached along with CA report, Property evaluation paper. Yes they need to return to collect pension because my father is retires from govt job and pension holder pension account statement was also attached

 

[Naturgrl]

We showed their funds like below

Father Account 4,82,235 CAD 7,879
Mother Account 4,63,884 eqv CAD 7579
One FD 1,16,444 eqv CAD 1902
Second FD 1,18,807 eqv CAD 1930

My husband and I showed in Business Account CAD 36000

Why they mentioned

2. The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.

Also
Do you think my husband is sponsoring and not me as their daughter can also affect the case? If I sponsor as their daughter will put some effect.

Funds are too low for a month long visit. They need to show they can afford a visit. Business accounts are not considered. Sponsorship has nothing to do with it. Second reason for refusal is to show reason to return but get GCMS notes.

 

[sukhshant]

Funds are too low for a month long visit. They need to show they can afford a visit. Business accounts are not considered. Sponsorship has nothing to do with it. Second reason for refusal is to show reason to return but get GCMS notes.

Yes, I got GCMS note,

I quoted the three reasons from the GCMS note only which I mentioned above, Below a little bit more of Information. They have good travel history travelled to UK twice to visit my brother.

Note 1

Refusal detail

Thank you for your interest in coming to Canada. I have reviewed your temporary
resident visa (visitor visa) application and supporting documentation to assess whether you meet the requirements for a visitor visa (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees- citizenship/services/visit-canada/eligibility.html). This includes assessing whether you are coming to Canada temporarily for the reason(s) you describe in your application. I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) (https://laws-lois.justice.g.ca/eng/acts/1-2.5/index.html) and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR) (https://laws-lois.justice.gc. ca/eng/regulations/sor-2002-227/index.html). I am refusing your application.


Text: I have reviewed the application.

I have considered the following factors in my decision.
The applicant's assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel for themselves (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable).
The purpose of the applicant's visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details provided in the application.
Weighing the factors in this application, I am not satisfied that the applicant will depart Canada at the end of the period authorized for their stay.
GCMS Information Request: Application Request Identifier: 2A-2024-53817 Request Date: 2024/07/29
For the reasons above, I have refused this application.


Additionally they say
Available funds - provide details / Fonds disponibles - veuillez fournir des details : My son-in- L a w h a s s h o w n t u n d s a l s o i h a v e s h o w n t u n d s i n f o r m o f S a v i n g B a n k A c c o u n t&
Fixed Deposit Receipt INR 11,82,869.99 in Punjab National Bank in my name and my spouse name.

 

[sukhshant]

Yes, I got GCMS note,

I quoted the three reasons from the GCMS note only which I mentioned above, Below a little bit more of Information. They have good travel history travelled to UK twice to visit my brother.

Note 1

Refusal detail

Thank you for your interest in coming to Canada. I have reviewed your temporary
resident visa (visitor visa) application and supporting documentation to assess whether you meet the requirements for a visitor visa (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees- citizenship/services/visit-canada/eligibility.html). This includes assessing whether you are coming to Canada temporarily for the reason(s) you describe in your application. I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) (https://laws-lois.justice.g.ca/eng/acts/1-2.5/index.html) and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR) (https://laws-lois.justice.gc. ca/eng/regulations/sor-2002-227/index.html). I am refusing your application.


Text: I have reviewed the application.

I have considered the following factors in my decision.
The applicant's assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel for themselves (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable).
The purpose of the applicant's visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details provided in the application.
Weighing the factors in this application, I am not satisfied that the applicant will depart Canada at the end of the period authorized for their stay.
GCMS Information Request: Application Request Identifier: 2A-2024-53817 Request Date: 2024/07/29
For the reasons above, I have refused this application.


Additionally they say
Available funds - provide details / Fonds disponibles - veuillez fournir des details : My son-in- L a w h a s s h o w n t u n d s a l s o i h a v e s h o w n t u n d s i n f o r m o f S a v i n g B a n k A c c o u n t&
Fixed Deposit Receipt INR 11,82,869.99 in Punjab National Bank in my name and my spouse name.

Shall I apply again this time? If I put it one by one, my mother first for 2 weeks, once she attains the visa, I will put in my father's visa application?

 

[Naturgrl]

Shall I apply again this time? If I put it one by one, my mother first for 2 weeks, once she attains the visa, I will put in my father's visa application?

You can try but doesn’t change their funds situation as son-in-law funds are not relevant. The only funds that are relevant is cash in the bank. IRCC will know what you are trying to do by applying separately so make sure their ties to return are very strong and they each can show separate bank accounts to support visit.

 

[Moke]

Hello all, please this will be lengthy and I’m so sorry as I’m trying to be as detailed as possible and I am really open minded to know what went wrong with my application. I have never been the one to use an agent for anything I have done so this was made by me and I didn’t make any mistake to the best of my ability. I applied for a visitor visa/super and I stated in my application I am visiting canada as a Tourist from August 24th to September 7th 2024, which is 2 weeks there about.
A brief background: I’m Nigerian, moved to Poland in 2021 through study visa. I finished my masters in 2022 and I got a very good job to start with. I got married July 2023 (had to travel back home to Nigeria for this) and I had to move to Estonia as that’s where we planned on staying as my husband is on the road to becoming a permanent resident there. He’s currently running his PHD, and we are planning to buy a property next year. I got my spousal residence card November 2023, but I didn’t want to move till I got a good job and I had been interviewing during those period. I finally got an offer in January in Estonia but I could not move immediately as I needed to leave notice at my place of work. I moved permanently in March 2024. Spousal resident permit are issued yearly so my card is expected to expire Nov 24, (planning to submit for another by the end of this month). I have been planning to go Canada for a visit for a while now, but I’m aware of the ties situation/denial so I have been really scared as I have never been denied a visa before. I have friends in canada, alongside my cousin’s children all schooling. I applied July 11, Biometrics done July 25, and refusal came in today August 16.
The list of documents used: Nigerian passport, TRC for Estonia, proof of fund of 12k euro which is about 18kcad, with 7k euro in my savings, 5k in fixed deposit asides normal upkeep in my main account with a letter to back the funds up and stamped by the bank. Statement of account which shows the movement of funds from when my account was opened in March, shows movement i.e from my polish account savings, letter of intent, showing my intention and sightseeing activities, letter from work showing I’m a full time employee with a long term contract, age, and salary of 2150 eur, although this has been increased but it isn’t reflecting yet, I was not able to add my payslip as I got an error there was no space, marriage certificate, I didn’t add accommodation and flight reservation as I didn’t deem them necessary as I wasn’t going to pay due to uncertainty, moreover I didn’t use any of them for my UK visa and I got approved. Countries I have been to in the last 5 years, which I also added : Latvia, Poland, Nigeria, Finland, Hungary, Austria, Sweden, majorly for vacation and visiting friends (although all in Europe, asides Nigeria my birth country. I have also been to the UK twice and I didn’t overstay my visit and they were just few days/a week visit where I went to London, Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland.
The reasons for rejection were thus:
Thank you for your interest in coming to Canada. I have reviewed your temporary resident visa
(visitor visa) application and supporting documentation to assess whether you meet the
requirements for a visitor visa (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/
services/visit-canada/eligibility.html). This includes assessing whether you are coming to Canada
temporarily for the reason(s) you describe in your application. I have determined that your
application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
(IRPA) (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/index.html) and Immigration and Refugee
Protection Regulations (IRPR) (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-2002-227/
index.html). I am refusing your application.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by
paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/
section-179.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will
leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel
for yourself (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable).
• You do not have significant family ties outside Canada.
• The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the
details you have provided in your application.
• Your current employment situation does not show that you are financially established in
your country of residence.

I honestly do not know what exactly I have done wrong, as I have provided a job/marriage as ties to the best of my ability and I have been completely honest.

Can anyone please advise what I can do, what and where I went wrong on the application and advise when soon again to apply as this has messed up my travel plans as I was going to go before summer ends before. TIA.

 

[cryptonian]

These days they refuse a lot of TRV with unjustified reasons.
$3400 a month along with savings is good enough for a visit to Canada. Canadian wages aren't a lot higher from a PPP point of view.
You can try getting GCMS to get more detailed info. Pretty sure they didn't assess things correctly.


For reference I was also denied a TRV a few months ago even though I had a recent visit to the US, and previous travel history to Canada and the UK. Along with maybe 30 other countries.
I also showed making in excess of USD 10k a month for the last two years with $500K in investments and six figures in liquid funds in banks.

If their reasons are unjustified in the GCMS then a good option is a Judicial review which I opted for in my case.

IRCC seems to have hired a lot of incompetent people who do not follow their own laws. Send lawyers after them if you don't mind spending the money.

Many thanks. I guess you sue remotely by e-filing the case with the court? Did you really spend money on Canadian lawyers? Cant you file the suit as a pro se plaintiff? Any other administrative review way to appeal?

 

[funkyjimmy]

My wife's TRV was refused today. Reasons were:

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/ section-179.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.
• Your current employment situation does not show that you are financially established in your country of residence.
• Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel for yourself (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable).

On the application we specified that I would be financially supporting her in Canada, but I said that I would be providing $500/month for her expenses. Is this not enough? Is there a recommended minimum amount? She does not have much money, and no assets. Also, can I use RRSPs as a proof of funds? I have about $10k.
Also we were up front about the 'Dual Intent', yet one of the reasons was 'The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.'. This doesn't add up. We gave many reasons, including being reunited with spouse, meeting and establishing relationships with family members (mainly my 13 year old daughter), and to have a wedding celebration at some point in the spring for all family and friends who could not make our wedding this year in the Philippines. We also stated the other intent of staying in Canada only if her PR application was approved, and intent to leave if it is denied.

Any recommendations? We haven't seen each other since July, and were really hoping to be reunited by Christmas.

 

[CanGoldDigger]

My wife's TRV was refused today. Reasons were:

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/ section-179.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.
• Your current employment situation does not show that you are financially established in your country of residence.
• Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel for yourself (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable).

On the application we specified that I would be financially supporting her in Canada, but I said that I would be providing $500/month for her expenses. Is this not enough? Is there a recommended minimum amount? She does not have much money, and no assets. Also, can I use RRSPs as a proof of funds? I have about $10k.
Also we were up front about the 'Dual Intent', yet one of the reasons was 'The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.'. This doesn't add up. We gave many reasons, including being reunited with spouse, meeting and establishing relationships with family members (mainly my 13 year old daughter), and to have a wedding celebration at some point in the spring for all family and friends who could not make our wedding this year in the Philippines. We also stated the other intent of staying in Canada only if her PR application was approved, and intent to leave if it is denied.

Any recommendations? We haven't seen each other since July, and were really hoping to be reunited by Christmas.

I guess you made every possible mistake and it was fast and easy for the officer to make a decision.

Dual intent is legal. But there are conditions and limits.

Also she needs to have her own funds. Your financing doesn't count as much.

And so on.

 

[Copingwithlife]

My wife's TRV was refused today. Reasons were:

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/ section-179.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.
• Your current employment situation does not show that you are financially established in your country of residence.
• Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel for yourself (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable).

On the application we specified that I would be financially supporting her in Canada, but I said that I would be providing $500/month for her expenses. Is this not enough? Is there a recommended minimum amount? She does not have much money, and no assets. Also, can I use RRSPs as a proof of funds? I have about $10k.
Also we were up front about the 'Dual Intent', yet one of the reasons was 'The purpose of your visit to Canada is not consistent with a temporary stay given the details you have provided in your application.'. This doesn't add up. We gave many reasons, including being reunited with spouse, meeting and establishing relationships with family members (mainly my 13 year old daughter), and to have a wedding celebration at some point in the spring for all family and friends who could not make our wedding this year in the Philippines. We also stated the other intent of staying in Canada only if her PR application was approved, and intent to leave if it is denied.

Any recommendations? We haven't seen each other since July, and were really hoping to be reunited by Christmas.

Dual intent is lawyer lingo . Should not be used in an application

And as mentioned the application was refused because it had all the red flags a VO looks for

So you gave all the reasons are wants to be in Canada , but I didn’t read any reason whatsoever on why she has to leave . Job ? Etc

If you haven’t seen them in a spell, plan a trip back to visit them

 

[funkyjimmy]

Interesting, because I've seen lot's of advice stating the opposite. And to even reference the policy found here.
We included ties to her home country. She is involved in two church ministries and we included a signed letter from her pastor detailing how involved in and valuable she is to the church. She is very close with her family and is the oldest of 6 siblings, and she has a pivotal role in their lives. This is pretty much all we have though.
She is employed, but works remotely for an American company, and is paid in USD.

Isn't the 'Family Reunification' initiative supposed to have very high approval rates? The link says 93%. How is everyone else getting approved?

There is one caveat. I am wondering if this application didn't go through the newer processing tools, as I didn't attach an AOR. My sponsor application tracker says AOR was sent October 5th, but I never received it (not in spam either). I know this is a requirement for the faster processing.

 

[jskaushal]

@funkyjimmy you should have uploaded the AOR. I can help with that if you want. At least you gave it a try. Although your application must be accessed by an immigration consultant or lawyer. I am in the same boat as you are but I am the wife of someone who has abandoned me after getting married. I am starting my own immigration consultancy now so that no wife is abandoned by his husband.