Visitor visa Refused - help please!

[starzibal]

Hi,
My niece is expecting her first child and wanted to invite her mother to Toronto, Canada for this purpose. She applied but refused for the following reasons.
She will. re-apply but I need your help to understand what went wrong and any tips to make the new application better and increase. chances to get approved.

1. Her mom has significant ties to Canada - (not true because my niece is the only one here, no siblings in Canada, however since she got married with her cousin, her father-in-law is also her uncle (her mom kahala zaad brother) in canada but i dont think they should consider significant family ties for her mom.
2. Financial means. - her mother showed $1700 bank statement i know it's not enough but my niece also agree in a notarized invitation letter to pick up the expense about $2000.00. My niece father is retired but. has two single brothers working and supporting so both brother provided their job letters and bank statements.
3. The purpose of visit doesnt match with the application. i am not sure why they said this because she stated clearly in the cover and invitation letter and attached the doctors letters.

I would appreciate your help!

 

[scylla]

Hi,
My niece is expecting her first child and wanted to invite her mother to Toronto, Canada for this purpose. She applied but refused for the following reasons.
She will. re-apply but I need your help to understand what went wrong and any tips to make the new application better and increase. chances to get approved.

1. Her mom has significant ties to Canada - (not true because my niece is the only one here, no siblings in Canada, however since she got married with her cousin, her father-in-law is also her uncle (her mom kahala zaad brother) in canada but i dont think they should consider significant family ties for her mom.
2. Financial means. - her mother showed $1700 bank statement i know it's not enough but my niece also agree in a notarized invitation letter to pick up the expense about $2000.00. My niece father is retired but. has two single brothers working and supporting so both brother provided their job letters and bank statements.
3. The purpose of visit doesnt match with the application. i am not sure why they said this because she stated clearly in the cover and invitation letter and attached the doctors letters.

I would appreciate your help!

How long a visit did she request?

What ties to her home country did she show?

 

[starzibal]

How long a visit did she request?

What ties to her home country did she show?

How long a visit did she request? From June. 2023 to Oct. 2023 (her daughter due date is June 21,2023)

What ties to her home country did she show? She mentioned in her cover letter that. she is leaving her husband and 2 son as a strong tie that would ensure her return to Pakistan. Both son are unmarried and lives with her

 

[Naturgrl]

Hi,
My niece is expecting her first child and wanted to invite her mother to Toronto, Canada for this purpose. She applied but refused for the following reasons.
She will. re-apply but I need your help to understand what went wrong and any tips to make the new application better and increase. chances to get approved.

1. Her mom has significant ties to Canada - (not true because my niece is the only one here, no siblings in Canada, however since she got married with her cousin, her father-in-law is also her uncle (her mom kahala zaad brother) in canada but i dont think they should consider significant family ties for her mom.
2. Financial means. - her mother showed $1700 bank statement i know it's not enough but my niece also agree in a notarized invitation letter to pick up the expense about $2000.00. My niece father is retired but. has two single brothers working and supporting so both brother provided their job letters and bank statements.
3. The purpose of visit doesnt match with the application. i am not sure why they said this because she stated clearly in the cover and invitation letter and attached the doctors letters.

I would appreciate your help!

1. So spouse is staying behind. is that the only tie? Are sons over 22? If so not a tie as they are not dependants. Job? Such a long visit shows that ties to home country are not strong.
2. A five month visit requires a substantial increase in funds. Funds are way too low. Visit may be enough for a week or two but total funds would not even cover airfare. The mother’s brothers supporting her and her husband shows that she cannot afford a visit. Their funds are not relevant. $2k from the niece for a 5 month visit is not enough either and IRCC doesn’t need to consider those funds either.
3. Visit too long. Did the letter mention pregnancy? If so IRCC may think she will not leave and want to take care of her child and grand baby. Showing doctor’s letters doesn’t necessarily strengthen an application because it shows that the mother is coming to care for them, not visit and meet the grand baby.

Mother needs to increase her own funds (brothers not relevant), ask for a short visit of a few weeks, and show that she is just coming to meet her grandchild.

 

[starzibal]

1. So spouse is staying behind. is that the only tie? Are sons over 22? If so not a tie as they are not dependants. Job? Such a long visit shows that ties to home country are not strong. Spouse and 2 sons are staying behind that's the tie. both son are over 22 but under 30.

2. A five month visit requires a substantial increase in funds. Funds are way too low. Visit may be enough for a week or two but total funds would not even cover airfare. The mother’s brothers supporting her and her husband shows that she cannot afford a visit. Their funds are not relevant. $2k from the niece for a 5 month visit is not enough either and IRCC doesn’t need to consider those funds either. You are correct the funds are too low but airfare would not be including in the funds she showed. Mother brother is not supporting her. So the case is for my niece, she is having a baby and inviting her mom who is in Pakistan. What I meant is that my niece father in law is also her mom cousin so I thought IRCC thinks. that she has significant family ties in Canada but its not right because I think family ties means her immediate family such as brothers etc but uncle is not a family tie.

3. Visit too long. Did the letter mention pregnancy? If so IRCC may think she will not leave and want to take care of her child and grand baby. Showing doctor’s letters doesn’t necessarily strengthen an application because it shows that the mother is coming to care for them, not visit and meet the grand baby. Yes, letter mentioned the pregnancy and attached two doctor letter one from family doctor and 2nd letter from gyna and both doctor recommended that my niece need her mom her for this purpose.

Mother needs to increase her own funds (brothers not relevant), ask for a short visit of a few weeks, and show that she is just coming to meet her grandchild. Her mother is not asking any brother but dependant on her two son as her husband is retired.

 

[ashmaitsingh]

air fare, cost of stay and food, travelling expenses for entire 4-5 month will be considered, so mother needs to add more funds and also shortern her trip duration.
if mother's sons are goign to support and provided their bank statements, did they also give in writing on a stamp paper that they are ready to support and sponsor their mother's tripto canada?
if it is mother's real brother who is ur niece's father in law, that could be reason for saying strong ties to canada.

 

[ashmaitsingh]

sons also need to support themselves and retired father at paksitan while mother is in canada, were the funds enough for that and to support mother?

niece said she will support till 2000$, did she attach any proofs?

also hopefully it was not mentioned anywhere that mother will also visit any tourist places

also make sure niece mentions that mother will stay with her and she will take care of mother's boarding loding, etc.

 

[canuck78]

What is the status of the niece? Is she a PR or citizen? Was she sponsored by her spouse? How long has she been in Canada? Agree that her mother’s savings are too low but what savings and income can the niece and her spouse show? Having third parties saying they will support the visit weakens the chance of getting a visa significantly?

What does the women’s spouse do for work? Have they been affected by recent flooding? As already explained if both sons are adults she only has her husband as a tie to Pakistan.

 

[Naturgrl]

1. Her spouse is her only tie not her 30 year old sons. If sons are supporting her financially then that shows she cannot afford visit and has no reason to return. Sons support weakens her application.
2. If airfare still needs to be paid then where is that money coming from with such low funds.
3. Her visit was way too long. Should be a couple of weeks.
4. Did the letters state the niece had complications and needed care. If so this would not have helped her mother’s application. Care is considered work. Niece should be inviting mother to visit her grandchild not there to care for them.

She can reapply if the mother and niece show their funds only, not those of the sons. Have a visit that matches the funds so a couple of weeks. Have niece provide letter saying that mother is only coming to visit her and the baby, no mention of care or help. Unfortunately, the original request includes doctors notes which official will still have access to.

 

[starzibal]

@ashmaitsingh

I think the mistake has been made and for those reason you mentioned it was refused.
1. My niece father in law is not her mom real brother but its maternal cousin.
2. My niece did mentioned in her invitation letter that $2000 will cover all the food/lodging expenses including attraction and sightseeing.She stated in the invitation letter that "she will be happy to hold and see her grandchild".
3. My niece dad is retired. 2 under 30 sons who lives with them takes care of them.

@canuck78

What is the status of the niece?
Is she a PR or citizen? Yes
Was she sponsored by her spouse? Yes
How long has she been in Canada? 5 years.
What does the women’s spouse do for work? My niece dad meaning is retired.
Have they been affected by recent flooding? No

@Naturgrl

1. Her spouse is her only tie not her 30 year old sons. If sons are supporting her financially then that shows she cannot afford visit and has no reason to return. Sons support weakens her application. What can done in this situation then?
2. If airfare still needs to be paid then where is that money coming from with such low funds. I agree on this.
3. Her visit was way too long. Should be a couple of weeks. but I think 6 month is fair time to spend with her daughter and grandchild but I will let her know that point.
4. Did the letters state the niece had complications and needed care. No complications, the doctor letter mention. that she need emotional support that's all. What do you think that doctor letter should be stated?

Thanks

 

[Naturgrl]

@ashmaitsingh

I think the mistake has been made and for those reason you mentioned it was refused.
1. My niece father in law is not her mom real brother but its maternal cousin.
2. My niece did mentioned in her invitation letter that $2000 will cover all the food/lodging expenses including attraction and sightseeing.She stated in the invitation letter that "she will be happy to hold and see her grandchild".
3. My niece dad is retired. 2 under 30 sons who lives with them takes care of them.

@canuck78

What is the status of the niece?
Is she a PR or citizen? Yes
Was she sponsored by her spouse? Yes
How long has she been in Canada? 5 years.
What does the women’s spouse do for work? My niece dad meaning is retired.
Have they been affected by recent flooding? No

@Naturgrl

1. Her spouse is her only tie not her 30 year old sons. If sons are supporting her financially then that shows she cannot afford visit and has no reason to return. Sons support weakens her application. What can done in this situation then?
2. If airfare still needs to be paid then where is that money coming from with such low funds. I agree on this.
3. Her visit was way too long. Should be a couple of weeks. but I think 6 month is fair time to spend with her daughter and grandchild but I will let her know that point.
4. Did the letters state the niece had complications and needed care. No complications, the doctor letter mention. that she need emotional support that's all. What do you think that doctor letter should be stated?

Thanks

- Funds: $2k in funds from the niece does not cover costs for a 6 month visit. Would not even cover her food. The mother and neice need to quadruple (or more) their own funds for a 6 month visit. Current funds may not even cover airfare. Funds shown should be high enough to not spend all funds on a visit to Canada. It needs to be their funds, not sons. Any large deposit into the mother’s account is a red flag and must be documented.
- Visit: 6 months is way too long with so little funds and ties to home country. Can see right away that she will enter Canada and try to extend her stay. Current funds don’t even support a two week visit after paying for airfare.
- Letter of invitation: Neice should state she wants her mother to visit her and her grand baby. Three week proposed visit to visit.
- Reasons to return: unfortunately not strong since supported by sons, no job, and daughter in Canada.

Order GCMS notes to get full reasons for refusal. Suggestion - two week visit with daughter saying she is coming to visit only and then return OR apply for super visa since visit is so long.

 

[canuck78]

@ashmaitsingh

I think the mistake has been made and for those reason you mentioned it was refused.
1. My niece father in law is not her mom real brother but its maternal cousin.
2. My niece did mentioned in her invitation letter that $2000 will cover all the food/lodging expenses including attraction and sightseeing.She stated in the invitation letter that "she will be happy to hold and see her grandchild".
3. My niece dad is retired. 2 under 30 sons who lives with them takes care of them.

@canuck78

What is the status of the niece?
Is she a PR or citizen? Yes
Was she sponsored by her spouse? Yes
How long has she been in Canada? 5 years.
What does the women’s spouse do for work? My niece dad meaning is retired.
Have they been affected by recent flooding? No

@Naturgrl

1. Her spouse is her only tie not her 30 year old sons. If sons are supporting her financially then that shows she cannot afford visit and has no reason to return. Sons support weakens her application. What can done in this situation then?
2. If airfare still needs to be paid then where is that money coming from with such low funds. I agree on this.
3. Her visit was way too long. Should be a couple of weeks. but I think 6 month is fair time to spend with her daughter and grandchild but I will let her know that point.
4. Did the letters state the niece had complications and needed care. No complications, the doctor letter mention. that she need emotional support that's all. What do you think that doctor letter should be stated?

Thanks

What does your niece and her husband do for work is what I was trying to ask. Her father-in-law being retired isn’t important. Her mother’s savings are the most relevant for a TRV but secondary would be your niece and her spouse. Does you niece and hire husband earn enough money based on their family size to qualify for a supervisa for her mother. Given how weak the mother application is, they would likely have a better chance of applying for a supervisa although they still may struggle to get a supervisa because they probably can’t afford to cover insurance costs, airfare, extra expenses, etc. does your niece live with extended family? If so hopefully she has a mother-in-law or sister-in-law or other aunties that may be able to provide her with support if her mother can’t get a visa. Her husband should also be helping with the baby and home.

 

[ashmaitsingh]

@ashmaitsingh

I think the mistake has been made and for those reason you mentioned it was refused.
1. My niece father in law is not her mom real brother but its maternal cousin.
2. My niece did mentioned in her invitation letter that $2000 will cover all the food/lodging expenses including attraction and sightseeing.She stated in the invitation letter that "she will be happy to hold and see her grandchild".
3. My niece dad is retired. 2 under 30 sons who lives with them takes care of them.

@canuck78

What is the status of the niece?
Is she a PR or citizen? Yes
Was she sponsored by her spouse? Yes
How long has she been in Canada? 5 years.
What does the women’s spouse do for work? My niece dad meaning is retired.
Have they been affected by recent flooding? No

@Naturgrl

1. Her spouse is her only tie not her 30 year old sons. If sons are supporting her financially then that shows she cannot afford visit and has no reason to return. Sons support weakens her application. What can done in this situation then?
2. If airfare still needs to be paid then where is that money coming from with such low funds. I agree on this.
3. Her visit was way too long. Should be a couple of weeks. but I think 6 month is fair time to spend with her daughter and grandchild but I will let her know that point.
4. Did the letters state the niece had complications and needed care. No complications, the doctor letter mention. that she need emotional support that's all. What do you think that doctor letter should be stated?

Thanks

1. in that case visa officer is saying about strong ties to canada basis your niece only, her mother doesnt have any other close relative in canada, so shouldnt be an issue
2. dont talk about attraction and sightseeing in invitation letter when u re apply, just say that she is coming to visit daughter, for emotional support and to meet grandchild, she is excited abt new born and so she wants to visit.
3. if she owns any property in pakistan, that can be a strong tie for her to return back.

 

[canuck78]

1. in that case visa officer is saying about strong ties to canada basis your niece only, her mother doesnt have any other close relative in canada, so shouldnt be an issue
2. dont talk about attraction and sightseeing in invitation letter when u re apply, just say that she is coming to visit daughter, for emotional support and to meet grandchild, she is excited abt new born and so she wants to visit.
3. if she owns any property in pakistan, that can be a strong tie for her to return back.

Her daughter is Canada while she has only a husband in Pakistan no other family members are her dependents which is why she has strong ties to Canada.

 

[ashmaitsingh]

@starzibal I recently got a visa for a couple and their son from India. The couple's daughter was pregnant and in toronto. Similar case to your niece. They had showed bank statements of couple (both husband and wife), total of around 38000 CAD for 3 months visit for 3 people. You can use this to calculate that your niece's mother will need 38000/3 = 12000+ cad for 3 months.

I am not saying that this is the minimum funds or not. They had good funds available in bank statement so they were able to show it. if the woman has less funds, can she and husband apply together if husband has good funds? check this option.