Visitor visa refusal Canada

[anustart_again]

My wife applied for her brother, his wife and his son (7 years). In 3 weeks we were told about visa refusal:

I am refusing your application.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by
paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/
section-179.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will
leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• You do not have significant family ties outside Canada.
• Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel
for yourself (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable)


We provided invitation letter, identify docs, forms & 1 year bank statements. They own their own business and run it together. Financial docs were bank statements & fixed deposits (approx 30k) with 1 year of debit&credit history.

We asked for 30-45 days. Reason, my kids birthday & travel to Montreal Quebec, Niagara etc (7 days).

Clearly it was not enough but what more can be done? Should I reply with more docs (house ownership, land, tax returns etc?) I would like to think they would have asked for more documents if they had doubts on business. Also we did say we'll support their stay, while they are here (both of us work professional jobs).

Very confused by all this (I really thought this was going to work).

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you

 

[anustart_again]

They are in India. We applied on their behalf.

 

[Naturgrl]

My wife applied for her brother, his wife and his son (7 years). In 3 weeks we were told about visa refusal:

I am refusing your application.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by
paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/
section-179.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will
leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• You do not have significant family ties outside Canada.
• Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel
for yourself (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable)


We provided invitation letter, identify docs, forms & 1 year bank statements. They own their own business and run it together. Financial docs were bank statements & fixed deposits (approx 30k) with 1 year of debit&credit history.

We asked for 30-45 days. Reason, my kids birthday & travel to Montreal Quebec, Niagara etc (7 days).

Clearly it was not enough but what more can be done? Should I reply with more docs (house ownership, land, tax returns etc?) I would like to think they would have asked for more documents if they had doubts on business. Also we did say we'll support their stay, while they are here (both of us work professional jobs).

Very confused by all this (I really thought this was going to work).

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you

How much did they show in cash, not fixed deposits for more than a 30-45 long visit. They need to show cash, not properties/debit and credit history. When you say you will support their visit then what did you say in the invitation letter. Saying you will support them implies they that they are not funding their own visit. If they are all applying then what are their own ties to return. If they own a business and coming for 45 days then how will the business continue. Were school documents included? IRCC will not ask for more.documents. The onus is on the applicant to provide all relevant information.

Visit is too long for amount of funds and being away from their business. If reason was a birthday and 7 days to Niagara Falls/Montreal then why do they need to come for 30-45 days. That is a 2 week visit.

 

[anustart_again]

Thank you for replying. 50k cash was shown. I did miss the school & business owner docs. Also should have mentioned that they would be able to operate remotely while they are here.
I asked for 45 days because they would have stayed longer. I get the 2 weeks concept but it is absurd to assume that someone would only stay 2 weeks. Most visitors stay for months...we approached this as more like we want these guys to visit us and here is a basic application based on what you asked.
I didn't think we'd get rejected given our professions and financial stability, especially for a sibling visa. I was never focused on gathering loads of docs to prove anything, other than a Canadian sister is inviting her brother. This is a service for us afterall. Learning lessons I suppose.

I am no expert but this whole process felt silly. Government can easily have their citizens control the visitor stay with some form of tracking system. I.e online check ins, departure confirmation stamp etc.

 

[anustart_again]

Nevertheless, what are the next steps you'd recommend. Re-apply with more supporting docs, shorten the visit duration?

Immigration consultants are charging 150-$200/hr in GTA area. I am sure there may be cheaper consultants but finding, trusting seems like a hassle.

If I apply again, and get rejected, it creates a scenario where we should have used an agent.

Thoughts?

 

[Naturgrl]

Thank you for replying. 50k cash was shown. I did miss the school & business owner docs. Also should have mentioned that they would be able to operate remotely while they are here.
I asked for 45 days because they would have stayed longer. I get the 2 weeks concept but it is absurd to assume that someone would only stay 2 weeks. Most visitors stay for months...we approached this as more like we want these guys to visit us and here is a basic application based on what you asked.
I didn't think we'd get rejected given our professions and financial stability, especially for a sibling visa. I was never focused on gathering loads of docs to prove anything, other than a Canadian sister is inviting her brother. This is a service for us afterall. Learning lessons I suppose.

I am no expert but this whole process felt silly. Government can easily have their citizens control the visitor stay with some form of tracking system. I.e online check ins, departure confirmation stamp etc.

In your original post, you said $30k cash and FD, so now it is $50k in cash only from personal accounts. Cannot be business accounts. Coming for that long, saying you can work remotely and wanting to stay even longer weakens your ties if all your family is in Canada. Do not say remote work because then there is no reason to return. Given you all want to travel, there are no family ties to return to so you need to show proof that you will return. Client contracts that prove you need to be in home country to complete the work…not remote work. School tuition and registration for child to return to studies.

 

[vkamath]

Nevertheless, what are the next steps you'd recommend. Re-apply with more supporting docs, shorten the visit duration?

Immigration consultants are charging 150-$200/hr in GTA area. I am sure there may be cheaper consultants but finding, trusting seems like a hassle.

If I apply again, and get rejected, it creates a scenario where we should have used an agent.

Thoughts?

Before you re-apply get all the documents and the visit cleared up. It is not a problem to stay more than 2 weeks but the onus is on you to prove that they will return back.

Mentioning remote work was a mistake. If they have a business then try to prove that the business needs them in India and the business cannot operate remotely.

30K CAD or 30K INR? If its INR then its not sufficient for 30-45 days considering how expensive things are. Did you write an invitation letter?

Are you sponsoring them?

 

[anustart_again]

Understand about ties back home. That being said, I only followed what they said, which was 6 months bank statements.

Yes we sent inviting letter and said that we will cover trip cost to Quebec-Niagara road trip.
Let me clarify about funds. 30k in daily check in bank accounts and 20k in fixed deposits. 1 year statements.

I didn't mention remote work, I am implying here that that is an option but I'll stay away. Core business can't be done on the phone forever for them.

 

[Naturgrl]

Understand about ties back home. That being said, I only followed what they said, which was 6 months bank statements.

Yes we sent inviting letter and said that we will cover trip cost to Quebec-Niagara road trip.
Let me clarify about funds. 30k in daily check in bank accounts and 20k in fixed deposits. 1 year statements.

I didn't mention remote work, I am implying here that that is an option but I'll stay away. Core business can't be done on the phone forever for them.

Saying you would cover costs of trip was not a good idea. They need to show their own funds. Showing $30k in cash for three people for a visit up to 45 days means there is not much left over. Using savings to come to Canada. Should have asked for a 3 week visit. Coming for that long doesn’t help with ties and all family is in Canada.

 

[anustart_again]

Saying you would cover costs of trip was not a good idea. They need to show their own funds. Showing $30k in cash for three people for a visit up to 45 days means there is not much left over. Using savings to come to Canada. Should have asked for a 3 week visit. Coming for that long doesn’t help with ties and all family is in Canada.

I see. I do appreciate your help & input here. I'll be much better prepared for something like this in the future.

In your opinion, is it better to as apply again with better documation (shorter visit, more ties etc) or wait for 1-2 years?

Also how do you feel about immigration consultants for such scenario? For me cost is one thing but reliability & private data sharing is also a concern

 

[Naturgrl]

I see. I do appreciate your help & input here. I'll be much better prepared for something like this in the future.

In your opinion, is it better to as apply again with better documation (shorter visit, more ties etc) or wait for 1-2 years?

Also how do you feel about immigration consultants for such scenario? For me cost is one thing but reliability & private data sharing is also a concern for me

They do not need to wait that long. Your letter of invitation should say that they are visiting you and will cover their own expenses. Reason for a visit is a family reunion plus visit to Niagara/Quebec. Provide an itinerary. Their visit should be 3 weeks max. Include child’s school registration/letter, business contracts that must be completed in home country.

 

[faisalshaikhpro]

My wife applied for her brother, his wife and his son (7 years). In 3 weeks we were told about visa refusal:

I am refusing your application.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by
paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/
section-179.html). I am refusing your application because you have not established that you will
leave Canada, based on the following factors:
• You do not have significant family ties outside Canada.
• Your assets and financial situation are insufficient to support the stated purpose of travel
for yourself (and any accompanying family member(s), if applicable)


We provided invitation letter, identify docs, forms & 1 year bank statements. They own their own business and run it together. Financial docs were bank statements & fixed deposits (approx 30k) with 1 year of debit&credit history.

We asked for 30-45 days. Reason, my kids birthday & travel to Montreal Quebec, Niagara etc (7 days).

Clearly it was not enough but what more can be done? Should I reply with more docs (house ownership, land, tax returns etc?) I would like to think they would have asked for more documents if they had doubts on business. Also we did say we'll support their stay, while they are here (both of us work professional jobs).

Very confused by all this (I really thought this was going to work).

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you

When did you applied and when gou got a refusal?

I would suggest to go with Immigration lawyer Not with Agent.


Lawyer will help and submit your case according to the laws.