Visitor visa fraud

[hopping]

I know someone who will soon apply to a visitor visa. This person doesn’t have any funds to support himself or his family (they are three) in Canada or even pay for his tickets. He is planning to cover his travel and stay expenses from his brother who is a permanent resident and father of 4 kids. The problem is that this person could trick the US embassy and I think he will be able to trick the Canadian embassy. His previous stay in USA costed his relatives 12000$.
Is there any way to report his misrepresentation to the Canadian embassy before he is granted a visitor visa.

 

[Naturgrl]

I know someone who will soon apply to a visitor visa. This person doesn’t have any funds to support himself or his family (they are three) in Canada or even pay for his tickets. He is planning to cover his travel and stay expenses from his brother who is a permanent resident and father of 4 kids. The problem is that this person could trick the US embassy and I think he will be able to trick the Canadian embassy. His previous stay in USA costed his relatives 12000$.
Is there any way to report his misrepresentation to the Canadian embassy before he is granted a visitor visa.

What is the misrepresentation? It is a family issue, not immigration. He needs to show his own funds and his brother doesn’t have to invite or pay for anything.

 

[scylla]

I know someone who will soon apply to a visitor visa. This person doesn’t have any funds to support himself or his family (they are three) in Canada or even pay for his tickets. He is planning to cover his travel and stay expenses from his brother who is a permanent resident and father of 4 kids. The problem is that this person could trick the US embassy and I think he will be able to trick the Canadian embassy. His previous stay in USA costed his relatives 12000$.
Is there any way to report his misrepresentation to the Canadian embassy before he is granted a visitor visa.

I'm not sure I see what the misrepresentation is.

If his brother who is a PR is willing to support his travel to Canada and his stay in Canada, then he can do that. We do see lots of applications here where that happens. Generally speaking, the chances of approval are quite a bit lower if you can't show your own financials. But it's doable.

 

[hopping]

I'm not sure I see what the misrepresentation is.

If his brother who is a PR is willing to support his travel to Canada and his stay in Canada, then he can do that. We do see lots of applications here where that happens. Generally speaking, the chances of approval are quite a bit lower if you can't show your own financials. But it's doable.

So it is doable even if the net income of his brother is not enough to support nine persons (below the LICO for 9 persons)?
The misrepresentation comes from the fact that the person is not planning to go back after his stay is up because he has no job to return to even if he showed a proof of employment. Also he might show false account statements with amounts that are borrowed.

 

[YVR123]

So it is doable even if the net income of his brother is not enough to support nine persons (below the LICO for 9 persons)?
The misrepresentation comes from the fact that the person is not planning to go back after his stay is up because he has no job to return to even if he showed a proof of employment. Also he might show false account statements with amounts that are borrowed.

There is no LICO for someone to invite someone for visitor visa.
But if this person is using fraudulent documents for TRV application, that's committing a crime if not at least a misrepresentation.

Will let others point you to the right place to report it.

 

[Naturgrl]

So it is doable even if the net income of his brother is not enough to support nine persons (below the LICO for 9 persons)?
The misrepresentation comes from the fact that the person is not planning to go back after his stay is up because he has no job to return to even if he showed a proof of employment. Also he might show false account statements with amounts that are borrowed.

What does LICO have to do with it? His PR brother isn’t sponsoring him. His brother has to prove he has to funds to travel and visit Canada. There is no misrepresentation unless he is submitting fraudulent documents. He can’t work in Canada so not sure what his plans are. If you want to contact IRCC, go ahead but there is no misrepresentation if he hasn’t even applied.

 

[hopping]

What does LICO have to do with it? His PR brother isn’t sponsoring him. His brother has to prove he has to funds to travel and visit Canada. There is no misrepresentation unless he is submitting fraudulent documents. He can’t work in Canada so not sure what his plans are. If you want to contact IRCC, go ahead but there is no misrepresentation if he hasn’t even applied.

Yes I know there is no LICO for visitor visa invitation because the commitment in the visa invitation is a courtesy not like the sponsorship but if three persons will come from overseas they will for sure cause a financial hardship for the hosting family, it is not logical for someone who can’t pay for their tickets or day to day living to travel for tourism.
That happened already when they travelled to US, searched for work and ended up in debt. That is why I want to prevent it before it happens in Canada.

 

[canuck78]

You can contact CBSA fraud line to report that a family has expressed their true intention is to remain in Canada and they have no intention of only visiting. If they have indicated they are employed but aren’t you can also indicate that they aren’t employed by a certain company. You can also report that they have already visited the US to try to find work and are in debt.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/protect-fraud/report-fraud.html

 

[Naturgrl]

Yes I know there is no LICO for visitor visa invitation because the commitment in the visa invitation is a courtesy not like the sponsorship but if three persons will come from overseas they will for sure cause a financial hardship for the hosting family, it is not logical for someone who can’t pay for their tickets or day to day living to travel for tourism.
That happened already when they travelled to US, searched for work and ended up in debt. That is why I want to prevent it before it happens in Canada.

You can try and report him but it is up to the “host” family to not invite them or have them stay with them and be a financial burden. They seem to know what has happened in the US so the host family should know better.

 

[canuck78]

You can try and report him but it is up to the “host” family to not invite them or have them stay with them and be a financial burden. They seem to know what has happened in the US so the host family should know better.

If they already have a visa they can just show up. Think some families would prefer it if IRCC or CBSA prevents them from entering Canada versus telling family they don’t want them to come to Canada and they can’t/don’t want to support them financially.

 

[Naturgrl]

If they already have a visa they can just show up. Think some families would prefer it if IRCC or CBSA prevents them from entering Canada versus telling family they don’t want them to come to Canada and they can’t/don’t want to support them financially.

True but it isn’t IRCC’s job to act as a go between, and tell them they can’t come because their family doesn’t want them to visit.

 

[hopping]

You can try and report him but it is up to the “host” family to not invite them or have them stay with them and be a financial burden. They seem to know what has happened in the US so the host family should know better.

Yes you are right. But sometimes the families have disputes then let the authorities know the situation and solve the issues before money is lost and kids are crowded at residents.

 

[hopping]

You can contact CBSA fraud line to report that a family has expressed their true intention is to remain in Canada and they have no intention of only visiting. If they have indicated they are employed but aren’t you can also indicate that they aren’t employed by a certain company. You can also report that they have already visited the US to try to find work and are in debt.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/protect-fraud/report-fraud.html

great, I came across this link but wasn’t sure. Thanks

 

[canuck78]

True but it isn’t IRCC’s job to act as a go between, and tell them they can’t come because their family doesn’t want them to visit.

In this case if the visitors aren’t true visitors or they have misrepresented their employment situation their visa can be cancelled at it is an issue for CBSA and IRCC. Agree that the family should also be honest with their family that they can’t host them of support them financially if they come to Canada.

 

[canuck78]

Yes you are right. But sometimes the families have disputes then let the authorities know the situation and solve the issues before money is lost and kids are crowded at residents.

IRCC and CBSA aren’t interested in family disputes. If you contact CBSA you should be reporting that a family is not a true visitor and their goal is to remain in Canada longterm and have no plans of returning to their home country. The parents aren’t employed as indicated in their application. If they no longer have a home in their home country that is also something you can indicate. You can report that they attempted to remain in the US and find employment but that hasn’t worked out so now they are trying to come to Canada and find employment. What about their children? If they are between 4-18? They need study permits to attend school. Are they arriving during the school year? What are their plans for the children when it comes to schooling? What happened to their children in the US? Did their children attend school in the US? If they did that is also something you can indicate to CBSA. The family visited the US but their children attended US public schools while on a visitor visa.