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Visiting Other Countries as a Convention Refugee

ohcanada123

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Apr 14, 2015
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Hello everyone,

I know, there are similar questions to my situation but I couldn't find the right information, If someone can help or give me some information, I would appreciate it.

So, I was a refugee in Canada and received my PR card in 2014 February. After couple months later, I decided to go on a vacation to Europe 2014 summer and of course I didn't go to my country.

Only problem, I really didn't know I should've applied for Canadian Travel Document and I renewed my passport from my country and I've just found out that It's a negative thing to do, even travelling with your original passport to other countries.

I plan to go for a vacation to Europe again this summer but do you think should I apply for traveling document or what should I do ?
Thank you all !
 

Blink_

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Jan 30, 2015
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It was a horrible thing to do, you're not suppose to use your old passport
apply for a travel document and burn passport or throw it in a place where you will never find it
 

kriv

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Aug 14, 2014
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Blink_ said:
It was a horrible thing to do, you're not suppose to use your old passport
apply for a travel document and burn passport or throw it in a place where you will never find it
It is NOT that much horrible and she do NOT have to throw or burn her passport as she will always be needing it. as long as ohcanada123 doesn't go back to her country until she gets her canadian citizen it wont be a problem. If it was really a serious issue using her passport than as she had already gone through CBSA (immigration at airport) while travelling they surely wud have questioned her or stopped her. i know many who use their passports to travel to USA and Europe and had no problem. YES if she goes back to her home country she could be reported by the CBSA.

Infact a refugee at every point needs or use his/her home passport for many reasons/things. even Canadian government ask for your home passport when you apply for PR, open work permit etc etc.(Blink_ try burn your home passport/throw it away and i will see how you will be able to get a US visa or Canadian citizenship or even an open work permit) so it is a very grey area which is interpreted in different contexts.

I agree best is to get a travel document if a refugee wants to travel until he becomes a Canadian citizen to avoid any problems in future. a travel document at first place automatically establish a fact that the traveler entering canada has not visited his/her home country during this visit. Nowadays news does report some cases of cessation and they are those who had traveled back to their home country and are reported by CBSA upon entering into canada.
A latest such case can be reached at:
http://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2015/02/23/former-refugees-face-losing-residency-in-canada-if-they-return-to-homeland.html

in the above case the person has returned for extended stays in Nepal numerous times, took up residence in home country with his current spouse and maintained/establish an consulting business in his home country.

THIS IS WHAT IS STATED/QUOTED GENERALLY:

One of the reasons that a refugee can lose their permanent resident status is if they voluntarily go back under the protection of their "country of nationality". This is the country they were a citizen of when they fled.

Going back under the protection of the country of nationality is called "re-availment".

The Minister may apply for cessation based on this reason if a protected person has:

1.travelled to their country of nationality
2. applied for or renewed a passport issued by that country

How would the Minister find out about a person's passport or travel history?

When a permanent resident comes back to Canada, a Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) officer questions them.

CBSA officers look for cases where the Minister could apply for cessation. ( in Ohcanada123 case CBSA officer let her enter canada smoothly)

The Minister might also apply for cessation if a protected person applies for Canadian citizenship and has visited their home country in the last four years.

Conclusion
-Ohcanada123 nothing to worry about.
- yes better to get a travel document (Now spend more money on travel document and visas) BUT it is easy and no difference in travelling with TD and easy to get visas.
- don't travell back to your home country until you become a Canadian citizen.
- again re-availment can not just be proved by renewing a passport or traveling other than your home country. (depends on case to case). if i have traveled to UK,GERMANY or US etc the fact that i have problems in my home country doesn't change

I know many might dis-agree with my comment and give me negative rating BUT still many will like it and will agree with me. yes i am a refugee i do have serious problems in my country but i DO NOT HATE MY COUNTRY. it is a true fact that i will always be called and known as a person from xyz country and that is which was and will be officially recorded and stated in all my documents (refugee claim, open work permit, PR etc) I am not a stateless person so i shud have the full rights to use my national id, my pasport unless i become a citizen of canada.
 
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ohcanada123

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Apr 14, 2015
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Thank you so much both of your answers guys. Yes, I don't think I will burn my passport but I will for sure apply for a travel document.
Kriv, the only thing when I apply for a travel document, there is a section on the form that I have to write my travel history and I should show them that I traveled with the passport of my country. Do you think that would be a problem for me ?
Thank you again, I appreciate it.
 

obib

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Dec 3, 2011
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There wont be a problem as long as there is no evidence indicating that you used your former Country Passport and that you Travelled back
 

kriv

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obib said:
There wont be a problem as long as there is no evidence indicating that you used your former Country Passport and that you Travelled back
SO does it means that a refugee can use his/her own passport to travel to other countries and there wont be a problem as long he/she doesn't travel back to the home country.

on this forum yes i have seen many claiming that a refugee must not use his home country passport to travel to other countries BUT i cannot find any authentic written statement on CIC website or CBSA website which clearly says you cannot use your passport to travel.

IF any one else experienced comment on this issue?
 
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kriv said:
SO does it means that a refugee can use his/her own passport to travel to other countries and there wont be a problem as long he/she doesn't travel back to the home country.

on this forum yes i have seen many claiming that a refugee must not use his home country passport to travel to other countries BUT i cannot find any authentic written statement on CIC website or CBSA website which clearly says you cannot use your passport to travel.

IF any one else experienced comment on this issue?
I will try to explain. Traveling with the passport of your country of origin is almost equal to reavailment to the protection of this country:

1. When you cross the border with this passport you declare thereby that you are the citizen of that country and under the protection of that country.

2. If something happens with you during the visit you will be able to apply for some kind of help only to the Embassy of your Country of origin because you possess the passport of this country.
 

Tweety87

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Aug 7, 2015
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Hello ! I'm in the same situation as you. Please tell me, did you apply for the travel document after you got the passport ? Thank you. I hope you reply
 

Noora8988

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May 5, 2017
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if we left canada using RTD, then use our national passport on one of the GCC, then go to Turkey using RTD, then go back to canada

are they going to know that we used our passport if we didnt tell them ?

of course we will not do it or lie on the country that gave us all the rights,, its just question because as i know, they dont know when we leave canada and where we land unless there are stamps on our RTD