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Visa denial because of "not being truthful"

Mariareguna

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Jul 6, 2018
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Hi, I have a question as to how to proceed

My visa application for temporary resident got refused because of two reasons.
First, because they didn't think I was going to leave Canada and second, because I wasn't truthful.
The first one I have read that it's relatively common and could understand, despite I believe I gave every document I could (My old passport, which had an usa visa and a colombian stamp, from around 12 years ago, from family trips. Also letters from my college, transcriptions, enrollments, ownership of a car, travel itinerary, parents economic proof and properties, and much more). (I am a 21 year old student, was only going to stay for a week, my vacation week from college).
But my main problem is with the second one. They said I wasn't truthful when I said that I haven't got a visa denied before. But that's just extremely innacurate because never in my 21 years of life I have had a visa denied anywhere. Nor entrance nor I have been asked to leave any country, ever. I don't understand why they would say this.
So I need to know how to proceed, because I need to understand what are they referring to. If i ever want to try to apply again I need to know what are they refering to or where's the mistake because I haven't lied about it.
Also, in my country this process is done through a VAC, and they are not responsible for this decision. I don't know who to contact for clarification or if I need to appeal. I need help.
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The letter states:
Thank you for your interest in visiting Canada. After careful review of your Electronic Travel Authorization (eTA) application, I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Immigrationd and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). I am refusing your application on the following grounds:

I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your travel history.

I am not satisfied that you have truthfully answered all questions in the documents you have submitted in support of your application, as required by subsection 16(1) of the IRPA. Specifically, I am not satisfied that the following information is truthfull: You failed to declare a previous temporary resident visa refusal.

You are welcome to reapply if you feel that you can respond to these concerns and can demonstrate that situation meets the requierements. All new applications must be accompanied by a new processing fee.

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I also don't understand why they refer to a eTA application, because mine was never Electronic, I literally did it via my local VAC. My VAC is in Panama, and they send the applications to Mexico's Canadian Embassy.
 
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Wonderland_1010

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Aug 24, 2015
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Hi, I have a question as to how to proceed

My visa application for temporary resident got refused because of two reasons.
First, because they didn't think I was going to leave Canada and second, because I wasn't truthful.
The first one I have read that it's relatively common and could understand, despite I believe I gave every document I could (letter from my college, transcriptions, enrollments, ownership of a car, travel itinerary, parents economic proof and properties, and much more). (I am a 21 year old student, was only going to stay for a week, my vacation week from college).
But my main problem is with the second one. They said I wasn't truthful when I said that I haven't got a visa denied before. But that's just extremely innacurate because never in my 21 years of life I have had a visa denied anywhere. Nor entrance nor I have been asked to leave any country, ever. I don't understand why they would say this.
So I need to know how to proceed, because I need to understand what are they referring to. If i ever want to try to apply again I need to know what are they refering to or where's the mistake because I haven't lied about it.
Also, in my country this process is done through a VAC, and they are not responsible for this decision. I don't know who to contact for clarification or if I need to appeal. I need help.
You will need to post the refusal letter to understand what refusals
 
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Wonderland_1010

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Hi, I have a question as to how to proceed

My visa application for temporary resident got refused because of two reasons.
First, because they didn't think I was going to leave Canada and second, because I wasn't truthful.
The first one I have read that it's relatively common and could understand, despite I believe I gave every document I could (My old passport, which had an usa visa and a colombian stamp, from around 12 years ago, from family trips. Also letters from my college, transcriptions, enrollments, ownership of a car, travel itinerary, parents economic proof and properties, and much more). (I am a 21 year old student, was only going to stay for a week, my vacation week from college).
But my main problem is with the second one. They said I wasn't truthful when I said that I haven't got a visa denied before. But that's just extremely innacurate because never in my 21 years of life I have had a visa denied anywhere. Nor entrance nor I have been asked to leave any country, ever. I don't understand why they would say this.
So I need to know how to proceed, because I need to understand what are they referring to. If i ever want to try to apply again I need to know what are they refering to or where's the mistake because I haven't lied about it.
Also, in my country this process is done through a VAC, and they are not responsible for this decision. I don't know who to contact for clarification or if I need to appeal. I need help.

The letter states:
Thank you for your interest in visiting Canada. After careful review of your Electronic Travel Authorization (eTA) application, I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Immigrationd and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). I am refusing your application on the following grounds:

I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your travel history.

I am not satisfied that you have truthfully answered all questions in the documents you have submitted in support of your application, as required by subsection 16(1) of the IRPA. Specifically, I am not satisfied that the following information is truthfull: You failed to declare a previous temporary resident visa refusal.

You are welcome to reapply if you feel that you can respond to these concerns and can demonstrate that situation meets the requierements. All new applications must be accompanied by a new processing fee.

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I also don't understand why they refer to a eTA application, because mine was never Electronic, I literally did it via my local VAC. My VAC is in Panama, and they send the applications to Mexico's Canadian Embassy.

Which country passport holder are you from? I think you misunderstood what is a ETA. ETA is only for countries that don't require a Canadian Visa to enter Canada. And secondly, CIC believes that you were refused a visa before from any country not just Canada.
 

Mariareguna

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Jul 6, 2018
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Which country passport holder are you from? I think you misunderstood what is a ETA. ETA is only for countries that don't require a Canadian Visa to enter Canada. And secondly, CIC believes that you were refused a visa before from any country not just Canada.
The country is Panama. I didn't use an Eta because my country does require a Canadian Visa, that's why we have the Visa Application Centre, where I did everything. As I said in the post, I haven't been denied any other visa. I'm starting to think this is an obvious mistake because I haven't been denied any visa ever.
 

Wonderland_1010

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The country is Panama. I didn't use an Eta because my country does require a Canadian Visa, that's why we have the Visa Application Centre, where I did everything. As I said in the post, I haven't been denied any other visa. I'm starting to think this is an obvious mistake because I haven't been denied any visa ever.
You can order case notes of your application to understand why this happened because clearly you applied for a Canadian Visa and not ETA. Or you can try calling CIC
 

scylla

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Jun 8, 2010
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Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
I would check with your parents to make sure they never applied for a visa that was refused where you were included as a dependent. This could be a possible explanation for the refusal.
 

canuck_in_uk

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May 4, 2012
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06/12
I would check with your parents to make sure they never applied for a visa that was refused where you were included as a dependent. This could be a possible explanation for the refusal.
Exactly what I was thinking when I read the post. Likely a Canadian or US refusal when OP was a minor.
 
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Mariareguna

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Jul 6, 2018
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I would check with your parents to make sure they never applied for a visa that was refused where you were included as a dependent. This could be a possible explanation for the refusal.
Yes, my parents have been refused visas before, and I was listed as their dependent, but they didn't apply for family visa, it was only for them. So it wouldn't really make sense, because the question in the form says "Have you ever been refused a visa or permit, denied entry or ordered to leave Canada or any other country or territory." It makes no sense that I would check "yes" and then say that my parents were denied a visa. That's not the question. It's just not a logical explanation. And it still leaves the eTA confussion.
 

zardoz

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Feb 2, 2013
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2,168
Canada
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FAM
Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
I think that this is a typical IRCC screwup. GCMS notes are probably the most useful step now.
 

scylla

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Jun 8, 2010
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Buffalo
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Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Yes, my parents have been refused visas before, and I was listed as their dependent, but they didn't apply for family visa, it was only for them. So it wouldn't really make sense, because the question in the form says "Have you ever been refused a visa or permit, denied entry or ordered to leave Canada or any other country or territory." It makes no sense that I would check "yes" and then say that my parents were denied a visa. That's not the question. It's just not a logical explanation. And it still leaves the eTA confussion.
That's the problem then. You needed to declare this refusal. If you were a dependent in the refused application then you were refused as well. It does in fact make sense to answer 'yes'. It wasn't just your parents who were denied - you were denied as well. When you reapply, you'll need to list both this old refusal and this new refusal.

I can't answer the question regarding why it says ETA. That may be a typo. I would certainly order your case notes.
 

canuck_in_uk

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May 4, 2012
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06/12
Yes, my parents have been refused visas before, and I was listed as their dependent, but they didn't apply for family visa, it was only for them. So it wouldn't really make sense, because the question in the form says "Have you ever been refused a visa or permit, denied entry or ordered to leave Canada or any other country or territory." It makes no sense that I would check "yes" and then say that my parents were denied a visa. That's not the question. It's just not a logical explanation. And it still leaves the eTA confussion.
They likely applied for a visa for you at least once.
 

Mariareguna

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Jul 6, 2018
5
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What action did you take ? Did you finally got your visa ?
Thank you for asking, I hired a lawyer who asked for the notes, apparently there was a previous application when I was a minor, my parents and family still don't remember anything, and even my passport wasn't valid at the time, so the lawyer suggested I file in for misrepresentation, and say that it's my parents' fault.
For now, I'm working in my travel history, so that I apply again in the future.

Thanks everyone
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
97,250
23,075
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Thank you for asking, I hired a lawyer who asked for the notes, apparently there was a previous application when I was a minor, my parents and family still don't remember anything, and even my passport wasn't valid at the time, so the lawyer suggested I file in for misrepresentation, and say that it's my parents' fault.
For now, I'm working in my travel history, so that I apply again in the future.

Thanks everyone
What does "file in for misrepresentation" mean? You had a previous refusal that you didn't declare and were correctly refused for this reason. IRCC didn't make a misrepresentation finding so you are welcome to apply again.

All you need to do is apply again and this time declare the old refusal (plus this more recent one).

It sounds to me like your lawyer is over-complicating things.
 
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