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mehtab007

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just_do_it said:
@ Mehtab007

I know it can be difficult to think about these things... they put you in an very uncomfortable state

I know very well that not all of us can afford education in western countries easily, almost everyone banks on working through their time as a student.. and i think everyone should because you have an opportunity to do so here. It teaches you the value of hard work, money and makes you a better person. Besides, you would never have the same opportunity to work and study back in India.

You will eventually figure things out once you get here and spend some time here, you will find the time for part-time work, adjust living expenses and your lifestyle accordingly, trust me.. it all works out in the end. but for the first little bit, you have to be prepared.

I would recommend, from my experience, have enough money to cover all your expenses (accomodation, food, medicines etc) for the first little bit... atleast 6 months but preferably 1 year. It can take you anywhere from 6-12 months to find a job and get used to work + study schedule. Keep in mind your study schedule will change each semester so your work schedule will be affected as well. Also, time flies so fast here, you wouldnt believe it. I've been here 10 years and have no idea where that time went. I remember it like yesterday when i came here for the first time.

Always Always always.. and i cant stress enough... have some money saved away for emergency cash. Start small with whatever you can afford to save and never touch it. even $500 will help you through a rough patch.

For jobs, i would recommend looking for programs that have the option of co-op... it will really help you if you can take work placements throughout your course. For e.g. i had the option of going to school for a semester and take co-op for a semester. It really works out as it lets you work full time and save $ for the next 1 or 2 semesters. That would be the best approach if its available. co-op after you finish school is fine too but it does not help you much while you are in school.

If nothing else, take an extra loan for living expenses too. An extra $16000 (based on your calculations) would mean nothing if it ensures you focus on your education and have better chances of immigrating to Canada. You can make 3-4 times that much in the first year of your full time employment. You just have to make sure your program area is in demand and marketable to employers. Canadian students, paying domestic fee, graduate with $40-50,000 in student loans on average... and with mickey mouse degree's like psychology, political sciences, linguistics etc. If you can work things out, return it early.

As for montreal, never been there but i have heard that it is an amazing city. You dont need to know french in montreal as it is a very multicultural city, but there are parts of quebec where french is the only language to get by with. It will be cold though but you wont become a canadian unless you get used to the cold.

Good Luck in your endeavours
+10 !!!

Thanks my friend.
Really good reply. You have no idea..how good it feels to get a realistic picture from some 1 who's already setteld there. And there is no denying...that like most..even my aim is to solely get PR & Canadian citizenship. I hope everything works out well.
 

rockford

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This is a wonderful post and I just wanted to share my situation with all of you:

I am 31 year old and I have 8 years of work experience. I have been to Canada (Toronto) 3 times in the last 4 years for business purpose and really liked the place. I have been thinking of moving to Canada since the very 1st time I went there and have been trying to get a job there. But it's almost impossible to get a job there sitting in India unless you are a genius programmer or doctor etc. Finally after my last visit I found out that the easiest way would be to move as a student because I don't qualify under the skilled immigrant program.
Now, I'm not a Graduate, so if I go as a student I will have to go for a post secondary program. I don't have strong financial support either, so can't go for a 3 year degree program. I finally selected the 2 year post secondary diploma in Business-Human Resources program as per my interest and also because it somewhat aligns with my current job function. I applied for the study permit and right now waiting for it.
Now consider my situation: I'm 31 year old, going to a new country for a post-secondary diploma, not financially strong, leaving my secured job and comfortable life in India! There is no guarantee if I will get a job after completing the program, if I don't, I will have to come back to India with the education loan on my head. Is there anyone else here who is playing this big a gamble?
The only strong point I have in my favour is that I have a relative plus lots of friends (that I made during my trips and at work) in Toronto. I don't know if I have taken the right decision but I am doing this because I genuinely liked the country and would love to live there. The rest is in God's hands.
 

mehtab007

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rockford said:
This is a wonderful post and I just wanted to share my situation with all of you:

I am 31 year old and I have 8 years of work experience. I have been to Canada (Toronto) 3 times in the last 4 years for business purpose and really liked the place. I have been thinking of moving to Canada since the very 1st time I went there and have been trying to get a job there. But it's almost impossible to get a job there sitting in India unless you are a genius programmer or doctor etc. Finally after my last visit I found out that the easiest way would be to move as a student because I don't qualify under the skilled immigrant program.
Now, I'm not a Graduate, so if I go as a student I will have to go for a post secondary program. I don't have strong financial support either, so can't go for a 3 year degree program. I finally selected the 2 year post secondary diploma in Business-Human Resources program as per my interest and also because it somewhat aligns with my current job function. I applied for the study permit and right now waiting for it.
Now consider my situation: I'm 31 year old, going to a new country for a post-secondary diploma, not financially strong, leaving my secured job and comfortable life in India! There is no guarantee if I will get a job after completing the program, if I don't, I will have to come back to India with the education loan on my head. Is there anyone else here who is playing this big a gamble?
The only strong point I have in my favour is that I have a relative plus lots of friends (that I made during my trips and at work) in Toronto. I don't know if I have taken the right decision but I am doing this because I genuinely liked the country and would love to live there. The rest is in God's hands.

Nice of you to share your position and circumstances under which you are plannign to go, my friend! Yeah.. it's always a risk to leave everything behind, that too with a burden of education loan. It's pretty scary by the very thought.."WHAT IF" it doesn't work out. And not to mention all alone (for many of us) in a cold foreign land!
And as I mentioned earlier..that'why I started this post..as to more than the worry for visa..I'm worried about.."what's gonna happen" AFTER visa/after I reach there..complete the course...?

From what I know, in Toronto... to stay there..you will have to find a skilled job (NOC O,A or B) and apply under Federal CEC (Canada wide) or Ontario provincial Nominee programme (PNP, where employers also have to meet certain conditions, which you can see on the website).
However, since you will have a 2 years diploma, remember you will be eligible for 3 years PGWP(post grad work permit). Which I believe.. gives one enough time to figure out things to get a job and that PR, even though finding a skilled job in one's field (without Canadian work ex) is a challenge in itself...(that's what I heard) SO..if not Toronto.. I guess, you will find a way to settle and get PR in other provinces, by doing other jobs. As I strongly believe...if we r going..by taking a loan..risk.. it makes no sense to come back to our own country..just because we r not getting a skilled job in our field. From what I've read and asked around, most of immigrants/ international students of the colleges start with some small/other jobs... and then work their way to figure out a way to stay back.

Here's a very good previous post about various student immigration programmes for international students in Canada. You can go through all the official links and decide for yourself, as to which may be more suitable for you depending upon availability of course, province choice etc.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/various-immigration-programmes-for-international-students-in-canada-t100908.0.html
 

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Everybody's situation is different and you have to evaluate things from your own standpoint, considering things relative to you...what may have worked for others in the past may not necessarily work for you. Age should not keep you from going to school and getting an education. I had classmates who were in the age range of 40-55 when i was doing my bachelors... sometimes seniors (60 + ) go to school just for the hell of it... so don't put yourself down for being 30 + and going for a post-secondary education.. we call them "mature students" here

And it is a risk...hate to say it but i think its a bigger risk than someone right out of high school or college would take because in your hindsight you are thinking of leaving a cozy life with no guarantees. If you are a single guy, it may put your future plans away for some time. If you have a family, you may have to think harder.

BUT, having said that, nothing comes in life easy unless you take risks.... bigger the risk, bigger the reward. If things don't work out, you take away equally valuable experience from it.

It maybe hard to find a job just using your work experience from India but add to that canadian education, you will have better chances. As for PR options, PNP programs vary from province to province... i would look into the CEC class, pick a course that is covered under CEC.. that way you can go where the jobs are and get your necessary work experience and not be restricted to stay in a particular province. Do lots of research and think long term. Make sure you have a plan to follow and a backup plan in case the first does not work out. Better to think things out and have everything figured out well in advance than freaking out and making impulsive decisions.

If nothing works out, find a canadian PR or citizen girl and get married.. thats usually the plan B for almost every guy.

All the best!
 

rockford

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@mehtab007 and just_do_it: Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts and encouragement guys - that's the reason I keep coming back to this forum. I just hope things work out for me, fingers crossed!
 

mehtab007

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just_do_it said:
Everybody's situation is different and you have to evaluate things from your own standpoint, considering things relative to you...what may have worked for others in the past may not necessarily work for you. Age should not keep you from going to school and getting an education. I had classmates who were in the age range of 40-55 when i was doing my bachelors... sometimes seniors (60 + ) go to school just for the hell of it... so don't put yourself down for being 30 + and going for a post-secondary education.. we call them "mature students" here

And it is a risk...hate to say it but i think its a bigger risk than someone right out of high school or college would take because in your hindsight you are thinking of leaving a cozy life with no guarantees. If you are a single guy, it may put your future plans away for some time. If you have a family, you may have to think harder.

BUT, having said that, nothing comes in life easy unless you take risks.... bigger the risk, bigger the reward. If things don't work out, you take away equally valuable experience from it.

It maybe hard to find a job just using your work experience from India but add to that canadian education, you will have better chances. As for PR options, PNP programs vary from province to province... i would look into the CEC class, pick a course that is covered under CEC.. that way you can go where the jobs are and get your necessary work experience and not be restricted to stay in a particular province. Do lots of research and think long term. Make sure you have a plan to follow and a backup plan in case the first does not work out. Better to think things out and have everything figured out well in advance than freaking out and making impulsive decisions.

If nothing works out, find a canadian PR or citizen girl and get married.. thats usually the plan B for almost every guy.

All the best!
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As usual well said my friend!

Another point... apart from finding a PR/citizen spouse as last resort, one can also look into employers/recruitment agencies which can get you a fixed skilled job, till you get PR ..for a big sum. I've heard and read about it somewhere. They usually charge atleast 10,000$ or more. I wonder how widespread it is... BUT again.. many of us are already with a loan burden.. I guess not every 1 can afford it...
 

mehtab007

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rockford said:
@ mehtab007 and just_do_it: Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts and encouragement guys - that's the reason I keep coming back to this forum. I just hope things work out for me, fingers crossed!
Best of luck my friend!
 

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excellent post guys everyone who r willing to go there will get benefit from this post...hope to see more post like theses in future.
 

stmani

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i have a little question here.....how much a student can earn per month/week while working part or full time, on average?

plz advise
 

mehtab007

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stmani said:
i have a little question here.....how much a student can earn per month/week while working part or full time, on average?

plz advise
I think.. it all varies from place to place. Of course, if one works illegally (before getting off campus wrk permit in 1st 6 months), 1 shdnt expect to get the legal minimum wage which is 10.25$/hr in Ontario. I read somewhere... that usually desi students work under other desi employers who are looking for desperate students who want money, and will do hard work for very low wages(sometimes as low as 4-5$/hr) and for a longer time. Legally, once on off campus work permit... one can expect to earn atleast the minimum wage.

Those already in Canada, Seniors, others Plz. comment.
 

stmani

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would somebody comment the same for montreal....is it good place to make money or not? minimum wage rate? and how many hrs are allowed per week?
 

mehtab007

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stmani said:
would somebody comment the same for montreal....is it good place to make money or not? minimum wage rate? and how many hrs are allowed per week?
Minimum wage in province of Quebec is 9.90$/hr.
I've read that MOST jobs require you to be bilingual.
 

Manish7

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Am in canada right now planning to come back to India permanently.
Best of luck to all you guyz...the only thing which i would like to say is..Just in the race of earning money..doing illegal part time jobs for ur survival etc. Please don't forget that you are here for studies and here to get a good reputed field job. and never think about doing subway etc. and den conti. to do that for PR in province lyk sask. and manitoba cause den ull spoil ur future and wont grow here and atlast contribute to the labour force of canada. try to grow urself improve urself in any and every way possible. :)

Hope you guyz understand my point.