Urgent HELP needed

[Gunpowder]

hi all,

I need your help badly.

I have been refused to Australian PR visa on 2012. I have shown one part time work experience which i couldn't verify properly when they came for investigation. They considered that as fake document and refused my application.

In 2013 i came to canada and studied and with PNP, I have applied to PR in Canada. I didn't show that part time work experience anywhere in any application in Canada so far. Reasons, that company was very small and they are not in business anymore and i don't have enough proof to prove that experience. Now CIC is asking me to submit IMM 5669 form with all details for the statutory declaration. I guess they will find all details from Australian embassy anyway. What should i do now?

I have decided I will write down where and when my VISA was refused but i was wondering do i need to write down why didn't i mention this work experience in the application in Canada? Whats your thought on this? Please help me with your knowledge.

thanks

 

[coolhyd]

hi all,

I need your help badly.

I have been refused to Australian PR visa on 2012. I have shown one part time work experience which i couldn't verify properly when they came for investigation. They considered that as fake document and refused my application.

In 2013 i came to canada and studied and with PNP, I have applied to PR in Canada. I didn't show that part time work experience anywhere in any application in Canada so far. Reasons, that company was very small and they are not in business anymore and i don't have enough proof to prove that experience. Now CIC is asking me to submit IMM 5669 form with all details for the statutory declaration. I guess they will find all details from Australian embassy anyway. What should i do now?

I have decided I will write down where and when my VISA was refused but i was wondering do i need to write down why didn't i mention this work experience in the application in Canada? Whats your thought on this? Please help me with your knowledge.

thanks

You don't need to mention that work experience in express entry if you are not claiming points.

You could have mentioned under personal history.

 

[Gunpowder]

Hi coolhyd thanks for your reply.

I didn't mention about that work experience in my personal history because no where in any document I have ever mentioned about that.

Now I have already submitted my forms for express entry and didn't put that work experience there too. Currently going to submit IMM 5669 form to CIC and thinking should I mention about that and say it was part time occasionally and I don't have any proof for that, that's why didn't mention that. Do you think it is a valid reason?

Thanks again for your reply.

 

[istari]

Hi coolhyd thanks for your reply.

I didn't mention about that work experience in my personal history because no where in any document I have ever mentioned about that.

Now I have already submitted my forms for express entry and didn't put that work experience there too. Currently going to submit IMM 5669 form to CIC and thinking should I mention about that and say it was part time occasionally and I don't have any proof for that, that's why didn't mention that. Do you think it is a valid reason?

Thanks again for your reply.

You do not have to provide proof of things mentioned in your personal history, only in your work history.

There should be no gaps in your personal history for the past 10 years. So if this work was done in the last 10 years, it should be in your personal history.

 

[Gunpowder]

Hi Istari
Thanks for your reply. Actually I don't have any gaps in my work history. I did have a full time work experience at that time. I was doing part time another work on occasionally basis. That's the one I have avoided.

However I did use that work experience when I did apply for PR in Australia. And they didn't recognize this experience. For that reason I didn't mention that in anywhere in Canada. Now I feel like I don't wanna trap in a situation of mis representations.

What's your suggestion brother?

 

[istari]

Hi Istari
Thanks for your reply. Actually I don't have any gaps in my work history. I did have a full time work experience at that time. I was doing part time another work on occasionally basis. That's the one I have avoided.

However I did use that work experience when I did apply for PR in Australia. And they didn't recognize this experience. For that reason I didn't mention that in anywhere in Canada. Now I feel like I don't wanna trap in a situation of mis representations.

What's your suggestion brother?

I would still mention it in my personal history.

 

[Gunpowder]

Thanks Istari. I will see. May be that's the better option. Wondering if I put that in my history now that will contradict with my previous applications to CIC. Don't know that will create problem or not.


Any more suggestions please.

 

[Gunpowder]

anyone please comment.....

 

[Stanlee]

Thanks Istari. I will see. May be that's the better option. Wondering if I put that in my history now that will contradict with my previous applications to CIC. Don't know that will create problem or not.


Any more suggestions please.

Especially with matters related to immigration one should be very careful in declaring all the relevant information. Now with regard to the question whether you need to explain why you did not mention the work experience under question in your previous application to CIC, I am not sure how would that be taken by CIC. But in my personal opinion, you have no other go but to declare the information and submit it with a Letter of Explanation.

 

[Gunpowder]

Thanks all for replying. I would be completely honest with you, the part time work experience I have used in Australia was false. I made it out that at that time, ( I know I have done a terrible thing and still suffer for that and will not do anything like that in future.)

That's why I am scared and didn't show this work experience anywhere in any application in Canada.

In nutshell, I think I will give all my genuine work experience and write down that I have been refused visa in Australia. The rest is up to the case officer.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to refuse me PR in Canada based on the fact that I have submitted false documents previously on Australia?

 

[res1]

Thanks all for replying. I would be completely honest with you, the part time work experience I have used in Australia was false. I made it out that at that time, ( I know I have done a terrible thing and still suffer for that and will not do anything like that in future.)

That's why I am scared and didn't show this work experience anywhere in any application in Canada.

In nutshell, I think I will give all my genuine work experience and write down that I have been refused visa in Australia. The rest is up to the case officer.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to refuse me PR in Canada based on the fact that I have submitted false documents previously on Australia?

Was it considered a criminal offence in Australia? If so, it will be definite grounds for refusal.
If you were not convicted of fraud/misrepresentation, then I'm not sure.
At any rate, I'd advise not to hold back on your previous history with IRCC, because if they find out on their own about fraud/misrepresentation, you'll be definitely refused.

 

[JoacRy]

Thanks all for replying. I would be completely honest with you, the part time work experience I have used in Australia was false. I made it out that at that time, ( I know I have done a terrible thing and still suffer for that and will not do anything like that in future.)

That's why I am scared and didn't show this work experience anywhere in any application in Canada.

In nutshell, I think I will give all my genuine work experience and write down that I have been refused visa in Australia. The rest is up to the case officer.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to refuse me PR in Canada based on the fact that I have submitted false documents previously on Australia?

The honest answer is 'Yes'. If your application gets as far as the 'Security Check', then IRCC will conduct a cross-check of information where it will attempt to determine if information in the database of IRCC (about the applicant) matches corresponding information about the applicant (on the database of another country).

I am an Australian citizen who has successfully gone through the PR process in Canada and I can tell you that IRCC and its counterpart (the Australian Department of Immigration) as well as other Canadian and Australian government agencies share a lot of information. If this inconsistency is discovered not only will IRCC potentially refuse your application, but they may also take a second more thorough and detailed analysis of everything else you have submitted to them.

You have done the right thing by admitting to your refusal of an Australian visa, but be prepared in case IRCC come back to you looking for a detailed explanation. Going forward, I suggest you tell the truth about everything because as you have seen one lie can spiral into an unpleasant and worse untenable situation.

Good luck going forward.

 

[Gunpowder]

Thanks guys.

So far I have decided I will not post my part time work experience in my personal history as no where in any application I have shown that and that is not real, although I have shown that to the application in Australia which lead to refusal because of this.

And also I will answer the question of satutory declaration about refusing my visas. I had enough suffering for lying once and I will not lie any more regardless of the result.

I am going to discus this matter with lawyer tomorrow and let's see what he says.

Anymore suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks.