URGENT Help Needed - Work history and secondment

[bastiaandg]

Hello all,

I finally have my WES, so I'm creating my EE profile.
However, I'm struggling with the Work Experience part. My situation is as follows:

In Oct 2014 I started working for an IT company (Company A) specializing in giving people with no IT background a crash course (during which you are already paid) and then sending them on secondment for about 2 years. After that the client company (Company B) can offer them a contract and they can switch companies.
In Jan 2015 I was seconded to a company B and after 2 years they offered me a contract, which I accepted.

How do I enter this under Work history? I can say Oct 2014-Nov 2016 Company A and since then Company B, giving me 3 years of work experience, but for most of the time while employed at Company A I was seconded to Company B. In addition, for the period Oct 2014 - Jan 2015 I was not yet seconded, so I technically did not yet perform the duties that are related to the NOC I'm going for (2283 to be safe, since I'm not sure if I match enough with 2173). But I was still employed at the company and my job title never changed (and is rather non-descriptive: MasterClass Professional).

I saw somewhere on here that someone suggested entering the company name as 'parent comapny / client company' and writing an LOE. Is this the best way?
And should I then start the Work history from the month I was seconded and later mention the first 3 months under personal history, giving me 2 years of experience instead of 3? Or start from Oct 2014? In my Reference Letter it will say my start date at Company A and the date I was seconded to Company B as well.

By the way, for my points total it obivously matters whether I claim 2 or 3 years of experience, but at a CRS of 456 for 2 years and 481 for 3 years of experience claimed, I think it won't matter much for my chances to get an ITA. So I'd rather figure out which is the 'safest' option.

I really hope you can advise me, I'd hate for my application to be rejected later on because of this slightly complicated situation.

 

[bastiaandg]

Anyone with any advice?

 

[crescent_jam]

Hello all,

I finally have my WES, so I'm creating my EE profile.
However, I'm struggling with the Work Experience part. My situation is as follows:

In Oct 2014 I started working for an IT company (Company A) specializing in giving people with no IT background a crash course (during which you are already paid) and then sending them on secondment for about 2 years. After that the client company (Company B) can offer them a contract and they can switch companies.
In Jan 2015 I was seconded to a company B and after 2 years they offered me a contract, which I accepted.

How do I enter this under Work history? I can say Oct 2014-Nov 2016 Company A and since then Company B, giving me 3 years of work experience, but for most of the time while employed at Company A I was seconded to Company B. In addition, for the period Oct 2014 - Jan 2015 I was not yet seconded, so I technically did not yet perform the duties that are related to the NOC I'm going for (2283 to be safe, since I'm not sure if I match enough with 2173). But I was still employed at the company and my job title never changed (and is rather non-descriptive: MasterClass Professional).

I saw somewhere on here that someone suggested entering the company name as 'parent comapny / client company' and writing an LOE. Is this the best way?
And should I then start the Work history from the month I was seconded and later mention the first 3 months under personal history, giving me 2 years of experience instead of 3? Or start from Oct 2014? In my Reference Letter it will say my start date at Company A and the date I was seconded to Company B as well.

By the way, for my points total it obivously matters whether I claim 2 or 3 years of experience, but at a CRS of 456 for 2 years and 481 for 3 years of experience claimed, I think it won't matter much for my chances to get an ITA. So I'd rather figure out which is the 'safest' option.

I really hope you can advise me, I'd hate for my application to be rejected later on because of this slightly complicated situation.

You're overthinking it As long as the number of years of experience you're claiming and the job duties and responsibilities you did can be verified by your documentation it will be fine. Those are really the only 2 things that matter.

Just list your work experience in your profile/eAPR in the clearest way you know how to (while ensuring the years of experience add up to what they should be and the NOCs are represented properly). So if you need to put in 3 entries to make everything clear, just do that:
- Company A, Oct 2014 - Dec 2014, appropriate NOC Code
- Company A/Company B, Jan 2015 - Dec 2017, appropriate NOC Code
- Company B, Jan 2017 - Present, appropriate NOC Code

Then just ensure your documentation (the reference letters you'll have to get as evidence) are clear about the situation but properly validate the years of work experience and the NOC codes.

 

[bastiaandg]

You're right, I'm probably overthinking it. Thanks for your response.
But for the first 3 months, when I was in training, there is no corresponding noc code available, right?

And if my reference letter for company A just list the job duties for the full period, I can just put a company A and a company B entry?

 

[crescent_jam]

You're right, I'm probably overthinking it. Thanks for your response.
But for the first 3 months, when I was in training, there is no corresponding noc code available, right?

And if my reference letter for company A just list the job duties for the full period, I can just put a company A and a company B entry?

I'm not an expert in all of the NOC Codes, so you'd have to search the NOC List, but if you can't find a corresponding NOC Code for those first 3 months, then you shouldn't bother to include it under your Work History (although you'll have to include it under your 'Personal History' if you get an ITA and are completing the electronic application, but that's another story).

I didn't realize you already had your reference letters. Use the reference letters to inform how you enter the information (assuming the job duties for the employment period outlined in the reference letter all fall under one NOC Code). If the letter's employment period covers several NOC codes though, you still need separate entries for each NOC Code, even if it's one employment period.

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[bastiaandg]

I'm not an expert in all of the NOC Codes, so you'd have to search the NOC List, but if you can't find a corresponding NOC Code for those first 3 months, then you shouldn't bother to include it under your Work History (although you'll have to include it under your 'Personal History' if you get an ITA and are completing the electronic application, but that's another story).

I didn't realize you already had your reference letters. Use the reference letters to inform how you enter the information (assuming the job duties for the employment period outlined in the reference letter all fall under one NOC Code). If the letter's employment period covers several NOC codes though, you still need separate entries for each NOC Code, even if it's one employment period.

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Thanks for your reply. I already have my reference letter from my current employer, that one is fine. And I have the first draft of the one from my previous employer.
I think I will have them include a sentence about the paid training period in the letter of reference and state that the duties and responsibilities listed apply to the secondment period. I can't find an appropriate NOC for the training time.
Then I'll remove the first few months from the Work History and post-ITA put the info under Personal. And explain the situation in an LOE.
Then surely that should be sufficient.

 

[crescent_jam]

Thanks for your reply. I already have my reference letter from my current employer, that one is fine. And I have the first draft of the one from my previous employer.
I think I will have them include a sentence about the paid training period in the letter of reference and state that the duties and responsibilities listed apply to the secondment period. I can't find an appropriate NOC for the training time.
Then I'll remove the first few months from the Work History and post-ITA put the info under Personal. And explain the situation in an LOE.
Then surely that should be sufficient.

Yup, sounds good to me!