URGENT DECISION IS MADE after the officer threat me anyone can help me please

[freeislam000]

Really I don't know what I should do and I hope anyone help me, so my story started when I received email from Canadian embassy to inform me that an interview has been arranged for me at the Canadian Embassy in Cairo, Egypt on Sunday 12 May
While I was waiting, I met a man, he was also waiting for his interview. He went inside and when he came back out from room number 5, he said he got rejected and the officer was so racist and rude . and when the called my name to meet that officer I was still confident at the same time But quickly i realized that this “interview”, was already decided. Before i went into his “interview/interrogation” because I tried to show him my wife and her youngest son's ticket and some photos of their recent visit because they just left Egypt. I also tried to give him this new proof, he didn't care and wouldn't take it to put it with my file, uninterested he just passed it back to me.
Anyway the questions focused on religion and culture and customs , he show me he so racist and he asked me are you Christian I told him, “no sir I am Muslim”. He asked me, “What is the religion of your wife? She is Christian?” I told him, “no sir, she is Muslim now, she converted”, so he said, ”After marriage? Or before marriage?” I told him, ”she converted after marriage, after she read and know Islam she converted.” He look over his glasses at me and said, ”mmmmmmmmm” as though to imply I forced her to convert.
After one second he asked me “in Egyptian customs it's usual the older women married younger men?” and every time I tried to say any answer he didn't like it he stopped me and didn't give me chance to answer him and every time say that not the answer for my question and I try to explain to him and keeping say to me, “that is not the answer for my question” (so what answer I should say to him the answer he like only and I answered the truth and he didn't like it and that is even unfair and after i replied Then he said, “okay, so I am not satisfied about your marriage and its not genuine, you are rejected and we will send you and your wife E-mails by with the reasons”.
I feel shocked again because how he decided that our 4 year relationship is not genuine 10 minutes. This is not fair!! How someone he didn't know I am Muslim or Christian

And yesterday I was checked my status on CiC and NOW
i find that in permanent residence status: DECISION MADE..

We received your application for permanent residence on XXXXXXXXXXX.
We started processing your application on XXXXXXXXXXX.
Medical results have been received.
Interview scheduled for May 12, 2013.
.A decision has been made on XXXXXXXXXXX application. The office will contact XXXXXXXXXXXXXconcerning this decision
So now I should believe his threat now he reject my file and Prepare myself to appeal ?

 

[LeisaP]

Wow that is just awful!! Im so sorry to hear that!
Its definatly not fair how you were treated and how he didnt give you any chance to prove your relationship!!

Unfortunatly it looks like you should be preparing to appeal the decision!

but the only upside is, that after 4 years together it should be very easy for you to win the appeal!

I am really wishing you good luck!! I hope everything goes well and it doesnt take to long!

Dont stop fighting for what you want!

 

[freeislam000]

Wow that is just awful!! Im so sorry to hear that!
Its definatly not fair how you were treated and how he didnt give you any chance to prove your relationship!!

Unfortunatly it looks like you should be preparing to appeal the decision!

but the only upside is, that after 4 years together it should be very easy for you to win the appeal!

I am really wishing you good luck!! I hope everything goes well and it doesnt take to long!

Dont stop fighting for what you want!

Its not only me that's happen with two persons from same officer
anyway i will take by your advice and start to preparing to appeal the decision
thank you leisaP

 

[LeisaP]

Its not only me that's happen with two persons from same officer
anyway i will take by your advice and start to preparing to appeal the decision
thank you leisaP

yeah , i have heard a couple horror stories about rude officers.

your welcome
good luck!

 

[CdnandTrini]

Really I don't know what I should do and I hope anyone help me, so my story started when I received email from Canadian embassy to inform me that an interview has been arranged for me at the Canadian Embassy in Cairo, Egypt on Sunday 12 May
While I was waiting, I met a man, he was also waiting for his interview. He went inside and when he came back out from room number 5, he said he got rejected and the officer was so racist and rude . and when the called my name to meet that officer I was still confident at the same time But quickly i realized that this “interview”, was already decided. Before i went into his “interview/interrogation” because I tried to show him my wife and her youngest son's ticket and some photos of their recent visit because they just left Egypt. I also tried to give him this new proof, he didn't care and wouldn't take it to put it with my file, uninterested he just passed it back to me.
Anyway the questions focused on religion and culture and customs , he show me he so racist and he asked me are you Christian I told him, “no sir I am Muslim”. He asked me, “What is the religion of your wife? She is Christian?” I told him, “no sir, she is Muslim now, she converted”, so he said, ”After marriage? Or before marriage?” I told him, ”she converted after marriage, after she read and know Islam she converted.” He look over his glasses at me and said, ”mmmmmmmmm” as though to imply I forced her to convert.
After one second he asked me “in Egyptian customs it's usual the older women married younger men?” and every time I tried to say any answer he didn't like it he stopped me and didn't give me chance to answer him and every time say that not the answer for my question and I try to explain to him and keeping say to me, “that is not the answer for my question” (so what answer I should say to him the answer he like only and I answered the truth and he didn't like it and that is even unfair and after i replied Then he said, “okay, so I am not satisfied about your marriage and its not genuine, you are rejected and we will send you and your wife E-mails by with the reasons”.
I feel shocked again because how he decided that our 4 year relationship is not genuine 10 minutes. This is not fair!! How someone he didn't know I am Muslim or Christian

And yesterday I was checked my status on CiC and NOW
i find that in permanent residence status: DECISION MADE..

We received your application for permanent residence on XXXXXXXXXXX.
We started processing your application on XXXXXXXXXXX.
Medical results have been received.
Interview scheduled for May 12, 2013.
.A decision has been made on XXXXXXXXXXX application. The office will contact XXXXXXXXXXXXXconcerning this decision
So now I should believe his threat now he reject my file and Prepare myself to appeal ?

Hello freeislam000, so very sorry to hear about your situation, that is so frustrating and difficult, unfortunately the visa officers seem to have too much power and can be very rude and discriminatory. It sounds like you will need to prepare to appeal. Here is the link for the spousal appeal thread http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/all-spouse-appeal-cases-come-here-and-join-us-plz-t87619.0.html - go have a look and you will find hope, help and support with those folks. If it was me, at this point I would also hire a lawyer and be prepared to fight and file a formal complaint about that visa officer.

The reality in this day and age is that many men are marrying older women and each person's marriage/relationship is individual. But it sounds like you did not even have the opportunity for a fair interview even before you got in his office.

Do not give up, stay strong and make sure your paperwork is all in good order. I will pray for you and your wife. Blessings.

 

[micmac101]

Really I don't know what I should do and I hope anyone help me, so my story started when I received email from Canadian embassy to inform me that an interview has been arranged for me at the Canadian Embassy in Cairo, Egypt on Sunday 12 May
While I was waiting, I met a man, he was also waiting for his interview. He went inside and when he came back out from room number 5, he said he got rejected and the officer was so racist and rude . and when the called my name to meet that officer I was still confident at the same time But quickly i realized that this “interview”, was already decided. Before i went into his “interview/interrogation” because I tried to show him my wife and her youngest son's ticket and some photos of their recent visit because they just left Egypt. I also tried to give him this new proof, he didn't care and wouldn't take it to put it with my file, uninterested he just passed it back to me.
Anyway the questions focused on religion and culture and customs , he show me he so racist and he asked me are you Christian I told him, “no sir I am Muslim”. He asked me, “What is the religion of your wife? She is Christian?” I told him, “no sir, she is Muslim now, she converted”, so he said, ”After marriage? Or before marriage?” I told him, ”she converted after marriage, after she read and know Islam she converted.” He look over his glasses at me and said, ”mmmmmmmmm” as though to imply I forced her to convert.
After one second he asked me “in Egyptian customs it's usual the older women married younger men?” and every time I tried to say any answer he didn't like it he stopped me and didn't give me chance to answer him and every time say that not the answer for my question and I try to explain to him and keeping say to me, “that is not the answer for my question” (so what answer I should say to him the answer he like only and I answered the truth and he didn't like it and that is even unfair and after i replied Then he said, “okay, so I am not satisfied about your marriage and its not genuine, you are rejected and we will send you and your wife E-mails by with the reasons”.
I feel shocked again because how he decided that our 4 year relationship is not genuine 10 minutes. This is not fair!! How someone he didn't know I am Muslim or Christian

And yesterday I was checked my status on CiC and NOW
i find that in permanent residence status: DECISION MADE..

We received your application for permanent residence on XXXXXXXXXXX.
We started processing your application on XXXXXXXXXXX.
Medical results have been received.
Interview scheduled for May 12, 2013.
.A decision has been made on XXXXXXXXXXX application. The office will contact XXXXXXXXXXXXXconcerning this decision
So now I should believe his threat now he reject my file and Prepare myself to appeal ?

I'm so shocked and my heart is breaking for you two and children.

#1 First lodge a complaint against this Visa Officer and I think others members must always agree to have an Interpreter with them for the whole process and at the beginning get their Name and ID as this is proof that they interviewed you along with the Interpreters name as well along with his or her ID as they all have one. And since your applying for Canada Immigration the spouse as the right to know names as well as this is important as she can press charges against this persons or persons if they are RACIST.

Basically what I understand from all this is this person has a problem and its true they hold the stick and say jump or not.

By all means report this person and press charges after speaking to a Lawyer who deals mainly with Immigration. He will advise you also about an Appeal.

My prayers are with you brother and may Allah bless you in this time of hardship, remember this person is accountable to Allah, God and his end. I pray that you and your wife will be together soon In Sha Allah. May Allah bless you both In Sha Allah.

 

[micmac101]

Really I don't know what I should do and I hope anyone help me, so my story started when I received email from Canadian embassy to inform me that an interview has been arranged for me at the Canadian Embassy in Cairo, Egypt on Sunday 12 May
While I was waiting, I met a man, he was also waiting for his interview. He went inside and when he came back out from room number 5, he said he got rejected and the officer was so racist and rude . and when the called my name to meet that officer I was still confident at the same time But quickly i realized that this “interview”, was already decided. Before i went into his “interview/interrogation” because I tried to show him my wife and her youngest son's ticket and some photos of their recent visit because they just left Egypt. I also tried to give him this new proof, he didn't care and wouldn't take it to put it with my file, uninterested he just passed it back to me.
Anyway the questions focused on religion and culture and customs , he show me he so racist and he asked me are you Christian I told him, “no sir I am Muslim”. He asked me, “What is the religion of your wife? She is Christian?” I told him, “no sir, she is Muslim now, she converted”, so he said, ”After marriage? Or before marriage?” I told him, ”she converted after marriage, after she read and know Islam she converted.” He look over his glasses at me and said, ”mmmmmmmmm” as though to imply I forced her to convert.
After one second he asked me “in Egyptian customs it's usual the older women married younger men?” and every time I tried to say any answer he didn't like it he stopped me and didn't give me chance to answer him and every time say that not the answer for my question and I try to explain to him and keeping say to me, “that is not the answer for my question” (so what answer I should say to him the answer he like only and I answered the truth and he didn't like it and that is even unfair and after i replied Then he said, “okay, so I am not satisfied about your marriage and its not genuine, you are rejected and we will send you and your wife E-mails by with the reasons”.
I feel shocked again because how he decided that our 4 year relationship is not genuine 10 minutes. This is not fair!! How someone he didn't know I am Muslim or Christian

And yesterday I was checked my status on CiC and NOW
i find that in permanent residence status: DECISION MADE..

We received your application for permanent residence on XXXXXXXXXXX.
We started processing your application on XXXXXXXXXXX.
Medical results have been received.
Interview scheduled for May 12, 2013.
.A decision has been made on XXXXXXXXXXX application. The office will contact XXXXXXXXXXXXXconcerning this decision
So now I should believe his threat now he reject my file and Prepare myself to appeal ?

I'm so shocked and my heart is breaking for you two and children.

#1 First lodge a complaint against this Visa Officer and I think others members must always agree to have an Interpreter with them for the whole process and at the beginning get their Name and ID as this is proof that they interviewed you along with the Interpreters name as well along with his or her ID as they all have one. And since your applying for Canada Immigration the spouse as the right to know names as well as this is important as she can press charges against this persons or persons if they are RACIST.

Basically what I understand from all this is this person has a problem and its true they hold the stick and say jump or not.

By all means report this person and press charges after speaking to a Lawyer who deals mainly with Immigration. He will advise you also about an Appeal.

My prayers are with you brother and may Allah bless you in this time of hardship, remember this person is accountable to Allah, God and his end. I pray that you and your wife will be together soon In Sha Allah. May Allah bless you both In Sha Allah.

 

[user828]

You know how serious it's to charge someone with racism - if you want to appeal, then stick to proof of relationship as that's what the appeal board will look at and see if the officer applied himself correctly
While considering refusals they must have heard every other allegation so far so be careful not to spoil your case and stick to proofs

In case of refusals, the negative impact on the file has mostly been determined but the officer still swing after the interview - else what difference is 10 mins gonna make?

 

[scos]

You know how serious it's to charge someone with racism - if you want to appeal, then stick to proof of relationship as that's what the appeal board will look at and see if the officer applied himself correctly
They don't go by where the officer will end up after death and so on, considering refusals they must have heard every other allegation so far so be careful not to spoil your case and stick to proofs

Good advice. After all, it is the interviewers job to make a determination and he did. You don't know it was racially biased. Since he works in that VO unless you can prove he denies EVERYONE then you will have a hard time proving bias. Keep in mind also that not everyone is interviewed. The fact you were asked to come in for one should tell you that they have some doubts about your case. It is up to you to convince him that your application is legitimate.

Listen to user828's advice.

 

[Amanda10]

Dear freeislam000

I am here to sympathise with you and I am not happy with how you were treated by the officer? You deserved that chance to demonstrate to the Immigration officer how your marriage is genuine. However, what I have learnt so far and the study that I have done from this forum is amazing. I understand how you are feeling right now but there is hope for someone who is still alive. You still have a lot of chance to win this case once you get your appeal. But I have something that I am writing to those who have not yet started their sponsorships or to those their applications are still at Mississauga Ontario. You can still do something for your files at this stage by supporting the spousal sponsorship with unlimited proofs and evidences that can make you skip the interview. I will put some facts that I took from this forum and it really opened my brain and see how CIC works in different parts of the world.

40% of Applicants got rejected before when their files were In Process without them knowing. Is due to those applications have a lot of holes in them when they went through a systematic process of CIC and they did not weight too much on the CIC‘s balance. There are a lot of stuff that they look at when files are going through preview and review. They break down the sponsorship in two as we all know. The first part they study is the genuineness of the relationships between the sponsors and their sponsored ones, for example, do you have a plan set up once you will be together? How have you shared responsibilities between wife and husband? How do you understand by entering into marriage and know it values? Or do sponsor wants to bring people in Canada? They looked at what you have achieved together as a team before this marriage start, they will scrutinise how you understand the responsibilities of children in your marriage once you will be together. They will check to see if you both understand the definition of a relationship and how you embrace it as a couple. I have a friend of mine and he elder brother worked for Immigration long time and he said that they had a principle that everyone who knocked at the immigration’s door is 100% a lire and it is up to you and your files to prove that you are genuine. I believe you see what they mean by relationship is not genuine and 90% of times they already taken a decision during in process by judging and sentenced the files for an approval or rejection. For a rejection they may make you come to an interview with their Decision already made and when the applicants go there it will be just formalities because they have to keep record that during such year we interviewed a certain amounts of people some failed and other passed. You don’t need a lawyer to tell you these things because he or she will ask you money but there are intelligent people in this forum that can help others than a lawyer would.

20% of Applicants got reject at the interview simply because they did not have solid proofs that ties them to their sponsors and make their relation genuine. 98% of rejections is due to relationships are not genuine; please visit those threads of Appeals in this forum you will understand what I am describing. There are few things I will mention of what they check for a genuine relationship between the sponsors and the sponsored people. For instance, they look at age differences in comparison with your culture and the place where you come from. It is true that they know there are true marriages where the age difference is significant but the sponsors and applicants had solid and heavy proofs which can drive away the officer’s doubt. So if you fall in this category before you apply make sure you look for heavy points which will tie both of you. They will look at difference in religion to see if one was force to join another religion at the marriage ceremony and why?

10% of Applicants passed their interviews because the officers were undecided until they meet the applicants and grant a visa decision right there or reject them.

30% of Applicant took time to plan, prepare, research, study their files vs. what CIC is looking for, and at the end their files moved so fast and interviews were waved. In these 30% of approved relationships I could guess there are 15% of fake marriages that were approved because both the sponsors and their sponsored people studied the sponsorship itself which those people in a genuine relationship don’t usually do simply because they believed that their relationships are genuine so CIC will know that it is genuine too. But it always turn out to a surprise because they did not

1) Plan for that sponsorship before it is sent to CIC,
2) Research for legitimate information that CIC want,
3) Study their files to see where there are holes and regions of doubts that can raise red flags in the officers’ minds and cover those holes by powerful statements if evidences are not there.
4) Seasoning the applications with 10 or 5 even 20 pages of a written document which will explain more what the forms cannot. By seasoning I meant that make your applications interested and captivating for the person who will work on your files.
I therefore agree with User828 and Scos that don’t start raising racism issue since you have one battle to face which is the appeal of your case. Leave that officer alone because you might have two wars in parallel and you will end up losing everything. Now it is time to focus on your appeal and they will look at every single details that the VO might have ignore to reject your file. All I wish you is armed yourself with courage and patience.
Let everyone learn something when our friends succeed or get a downturn. I love you all.

 

[freeislam000]

Thanks guys for your support

 

[mikeymyke]

Maybe your application prior to interview had too many red flags, and he already felt compelled to reject you anyway? I don't know, can you explain your background of your relationship?

 

[Amanda10]

Thanks guys for your support

Freeislam000 you are a human being like others and I don't see why you that rejection came. However I have a good news for you is that gether all the information in the light of the reasons your VO stated then be prepaid for an appeal then once your appeal process will be done you will make it. You have a child together with your wife so they will look at that too. Be of good cheer.

 

[freeislam000]

Maybe your application prior to interview had too many red flags, and he already felt compelled to reject you anyway? I don't know, can you explain your background of your relationship?

Maybe, but that doesnt mean it is not legitimate. My wife is 8 years older than me... and has 2 kids (divorced). We have been together 4 years and married almost 2. She has been to Egypt to be with me 3 times now and her youngest son twice. We talk every day ... day and night... we were married in Cairo... rented a Yacht and floated down the Nile with Family and friends. Ours should be a happy love story.. with a different ending

 

[freeislam000]

Freeislam000 you are a human being like others and I don't see why you that rejection came. However I have a good news for you is that gether all the information in the light of the reasons your VO stated then be prepaid for an appeal then once your appeal process will be done you will make it. You have a child together with your wife so they will look at that too. Be of good cheer.

We will fight his decision till the end! We dont have children together, my wife is divorced and has 2 kids from her previous relationship.