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Un-accompanying Dependant with Uncooperative Guardian

Beninoise

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Nov 14, 2012
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Hi, I am new to the forum. Please, can anyone help me figure this out. I am a Canadian citizen, sponsoring my husband who is from Uganda. My husband has a child from a previous relationship in the custody of the mother's family so we have included her as a non-accompanying dependent on the application. However, upon asking them to give us information (birth certificates, identity documents, photos), they refused. They don't want my husband to have anything to do with her. (Parental rights are a messy business in Uganda). What do we do when they ask for a medical for her and they refuse to cooperate? Is there any way to get out of providing this information for CIC? We don't want a situation where we can't sponsor her at a later date but it is the one thing preventing us from completing the application. Must we hire a lawyer to force them into cooperating?
 

frege

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Jun 13, 2012
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Beninoise said:
Hi, I am new to the forum. Please, can anyone help me figure this out. I am a Canadian citizen, sponsoring my husband who is from Uganda. My husband has a child from a previous relationship in the custody of the mother's family so we have included her as a non-accompanying dependent on the application. However, upon asking them to give us information (birth certificates, identity documents, photos), they refused. They don't want my husband to have anything to do with her. (Parental rights are a messy business in Uganda). What do we do when they ask for a medical for her and they refuse to cooperate? Is there any way to get out of providing this information for CIC? We don't want a situation where we can't sponsor her at a later date but it is the one thing preventing us from completing the application. Must we hire a lawyer to force them into cooperating?
First of all, it's important that the child be declared, even if some documents are not available. Otherwise, your husband may be inadmissible for misrepresentation.

Unfortunately, the answer seems to be that in this case the child won't be able to be sponsored later, unless one of the following things happens:
- the visa officer waives the medical examination for the child because it's unnecessary (I'm not sure in what circumstances this would happen, but CIC mentions "an administrative decision", "policy reasons" and "administrative error" as possibilities); or
- at a later time, once your husband has regained custody of the child, an application is made to sponsor the child to come to Canada on humanitarian and compassionate grounds.

In cases where an applicant has made his best effort to have a child examined but was unable to, an exception may be made for later sponsorship if it's in the best interests of the child. Unfortunately, I only know that this is possible in theory - I don't know how often it works. For this you might need to speak to an immigration lawyer to find out what your chances are at a later time. If the idea is to wait until the child is eighteen or almost eighteen, it seems unlikely this will work since people are pretty independent at that age.

There's more detailed information in the CIC manual "OP 2" (Overseas processing manual 2) in points 5.10-5.12. It addresses the situation you're in directly, and unfortunately it doesn't look very positive, even though it's clearly not your husband's fault.

www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf

Also, I have a hard time seeing how the law in Uganda (or any country) could force the mother to allow the medical examination if she has sole custody. On the other hand, I suppose the argument could be made that the mother was acting against the child's interests by removing from her the possibility to live in Canada later on (before the age of 22) if she so chose. Sorting that problem out may be as difficult as sorting out the custody problem in the first place. But if there's no realistic prospect of getting custody, there is at least a clear argument that this is in the child's interest. I guess this is a question for a Ugandan family law specialist.

The bottom line is that, in my opinion, you should talk to both a Canadian immigration lawyer and a Ugandan lawyer.
 

Beninoise

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Nov 14, 2012
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Wow! Thank you so much for your reply and the link to the manual.

We will try again to plead with the family to help us and/or get a lawyer to intervene on our behalf as well.
 

canadianwoman

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Nov 6, 2009
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frege said:
Unfortunately, the answer seems to be that in this case the child won't be able to be sponsored later, unless one of the following things happens:
- the visa officer waives the medical examination for the child because it's unnecessary (I'm not sure in what circumstances this would happen, but CIC mentions "an administrative decision", "policy reasons" and "administrative error" as possibilities); or
- at a later time, once your husband has regained custody of the child, an application is made to sponsor the child to come to Canada on humanitarian and compassionate grounds.
Don't count on either of these things happening. If she isn't medically examined now, just assume she will never be able to be sponsored to Canada. The visa officer will assume this, and so will do his/her utmost to get you to get the child examined. If you don't or can't, expect delays.
In cases where an applicant has made his best effort to have a child examined but was unable to, an exception may be made for later sponsorship if it's in the best interests of the child. Unfortunately, I only know that this is possible in theory - I don't know how often it works.
It almost never works. Again, I'd just assume this is not going to be an option.

Try talking to anyone in the child's family, or a mutual friend, and explain how if the child does not get the medical exam now, and comply with the other requirements, she will never be able to be sponsored to Canada. Explain how even if the mother dies, the child will not be able to come to Canada. Have them consider that maybe they would like the child to attend school in Canada when she is older, and it would be easier to include her now. Also explain that complying with the medical and other requests does not mean the child will be coming to Canada now - it just means she keeps the possibility open that she will be able to in the future if she needs to or wants to. The mother will not lose custody by having the child medically examined now.
This relative or friend could then try to persuade the child's mother of all this. Really, getting the medical now will make the PR application process much easier, and will also be better for the child.