TRV refused for the second time. Please help!

[zykemaine25]

Hello everyone ,
I'm new here and i came from the Philippines. I hope someone can help me with my problem.
I applied TRV last Nov. 2014, to visit my boyfriend who is a Canadian Citizen and who will sponsor me in everything. I received refusal letter after one week. IO tells me i didn't satisify them that i will leave Canada at the end of my stay. In reaching this decision, i considered several factors, including:
1. My travel history
( i never been travelled anywhere)
2. Limited employment prospects in my country of residence
( i'm unemployed with two kids and it's why my boyfriend will sponsor me and he had given me all our needs)
3. Personal assets and financial status
. After receiving that refusal letter , me and my boyfriend decided to take to another step which is getting married through tourist visa. Included some documents that are new.
1. I showed bank statement this time.
2. I submitted my lease of aggreement of the apartment where i and the kids living.
3. Notarized letter from his atty. for solemnizing our marriage that supposed to be this April 1.
But just yesterday, Feb. 18. I received refusal letter again on the same reason except #2. my current employment. Because of this, it's really disappointing and i don't know what to do. Hope someone can answer my questions.

1. Do i need to find a work here in the Philippines?
2. Should we reapply again? on what visa?
3. Do we need to seek judicial review to the Federal Court of Canada? What are our chances if we did?
4. Can we apply conjugal partner sponsorship this time because of the immigration barrier ? what would be our chances?
5. Do i need a stamp of my passport like going to Asian countries that doesn't need visa? As we will meet also with my boyfriend overthere.
6. if ever he will come to visit me, would his presence help me approved my visa? Like for example if we will go there directly to the embassy here in the Philippines.
Please help me.. I know someone could help me.
Any advice would be HIGHLY APPRECIATIVE.

please help.

 

[scylla]

There is no appeal process for tourist visas.

Since CIC now knows you want to come to Canada to get married, I think the changes of a future visitor visa being approved are pretty much zero.

If you can get married, you face no immigration barrier and you don't qualify under conjugal. Your boyfriend should visit you in the Philippines, get married there, and then sponsor you for PR.

 

[zykemaine25]

Thank you so much for the information.
But i just want clarification, you mean marriage in the Philippines is the only way for US to be together in Canada? What if we marry here, is a spousal sponsorship a 100% chance to approved my visa or there is a chance to be denied also? On what circumstances they will deny my visa?
Please advise....

Thanks in advance.

 

[shesosilly]

I agree that your best chance is for you to get married there in the Phils. then have him sponsor you as an Outland applicant. Of course, it's not a 100% sure chance that you will be sponsored because there's a lot of requirements for that as well. Proof of your relationship is the big requirement. I've been hearing of issues about differences in ages, in cultures and other random stuff that can raise red flags. You have to be aware of that.

I don't think travelling to other Asian countries is a good idea. That didn't really address the issue of your unemployment at all.

 

[zykemaine25]

I agree that your best chance is for you to get married there in the Phils. then have him sponsor you as an Outland applicant. Of course, it's not a 100% sure chance that you will be sponsored because there's a lot of requirements for that as well. Proof of your relationship is the big requirement. I've been hearing of issues about differences in ages, in cultures and other random stuff that can raise red flags. You have to be aware of that.

Now make sense why my TRV was denied because age really mattered to the CIC, am i right? I am 25 and my fiance is 65. But in our case, we don't mind the age gap , we do love each other to think those stuff. Can you elaborate what are the random stuff that raise red flags to the CIC?



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I don't think travelling to other Asian countries is a good idea. That didn't really address the issue of your unemployment at all. [/quote]




But how about because i need stamped of my passport and also we will meet with my fiance , spending time together then come back after and maybe another trip again , i think it is ok?


By the way, thank you so much for helping me clarify things . I will keep in touch here. I like to update my status here so that people can see my post also.

 

[scylla]

The TRV wasn't refused because of the age gap. The TRV was refused because you don't have strong enough ties to your home country and CIC believes you have plans to remain in Canada long term/permanently once you arrive her as a visitor.

Significant age gaps is certainly a red flag that CIC considers when looking at PR application. Your age gap is really quite significant so you will want to provide plenty of strong proof that your relationship is genuine. Other red flags can include: quick marriages, marrying the first time two people meet each other in person, different religions, different economic situations, different education levels, etc.

The more "red flags" you have, the more likely CIC is to look into your application more closely to make sure your relationship is real.

Good luck.

 

[vinotintazo]

Now make sense why my TRV was denied because age really mattered to the CIC, am i right? I am 25 and my fiance is 65.

40 years difference? holy....

 

[truesmile]

I don't think I've seen a successful TRV out of the Philippines here yet. My sister-in-law was denied too, and she had/has a husband, 4 children, a job, more than one property, and travel history.

I wouldn't try to over-analyze it, it's apparently near to impossible to get one out of PH. The refusal letter pretty much says don't bother to re-apply . . . You don't hafta tell me twice!

 

[zykemaine25]

The TRV wasn't refused because of the age gap. The TRV was refused because you don't have strong enough ties to your home country and CIC believes you have plans to remain in Canada long term/permanently once you arrive her as a visitor.

Significant age gaps is certainly a red flag that CIC considers when looking at PR application. Your age gap is really quite significant so you will want to provide plenty of strong proof that your relationship is genuine. Other red flags can include: quick marriages, marrying the first time two people meet each other in person, different religions, different economic situations, different education levels, etc.

The more "red flags" you have, the more likely CIC is to look into your application more closely to make sure your relationship is real.

Good luck.

Thanks a lot. I now know how to proceed. But is it possible if we marry and we apply not the sponsorship but just trv? Or are we putting ourselves going back to square one again.

 

[tink23]

Thanks a lot. I now know how to proceed. But is it possible if we marry and we apply not the sponsorship but just trv? Or are we putting ourselves going back to square one again.

Once you're married and apply for TRV again, the likelihood of being denied is even greater since your spouse will be in Canada.
You will probably have more success with PR sponsorship. With your age gap you will need to be prepared to show strong proof of a genuine relationship.

 

[zykemaine25]

@tink23

I do appreciate your advice, thanks a lot.
I will talk to him about this i formation i've got.

 

[zykemaine25]

Hi all,
I wonder if it takes time for me to go to Canada, am i qualified to get TRV in the USA? What would be my requirements? They said, it's very hard to get visa in USA but that was before now is the Canada, am i right of the information i got? If so, do i have a bigger chance to go their for TRV even if my fiance is a Canadian citizen? I know he cannot sponsor me but can go their for a business trip? Can he wired me money , for how much? or possible i'll be denied because they have most likely the same process how to check my application?

 

[scylla]

Hi all,
I wonder if it takes time for me to go to Canada, am i qualified to get TRV in the USA? What would be my requirements? They said, it's very hard to get visa in USA but that was before now is the Canada, am i right of the information i got? If so, do i have a bigger chance to go their for TRV even if my fiance is a Canadian citizen? I know he cannot sponsor me but can go their for a business trip? Can he wired me money , for how much? or possible i'll be denied because they have most likely the same process how to check my application?

You should post this question to a US immigration program. However to give you some information, you will still have to prove that you have strong ties to your home country and plan to return home when you apply for a US visitor visa. You will also have to declare your two TRV refusals from Canada which will make the US suspect you may have plans to stay in the US long term. So yes - if you apply for a US visitor visa, there's certainly a chance of refusal (probably a big one). Note that when you apply for Canadian PR, you will have to declare all of your visa refusals to any country. You already have two and you should avoid getting any more. When someone has too many visa refusals this can be another big red flag that the relationship isn't genuine and that the applicant (you) is just trying to find a way to get out of their country.

 

[zykemaine25]

You should post this question to a US immigration program. However to give you some information, you will still have to prove that you have strong ties to your home country and plan to return home when you apply for a US visitor visa. You will also have to declare your two TRV refusals from Canada which will make the US suspect you may have plans to stay in the US long term. So yes - if you apply for a US visitor visa, there's certainly a chance of refusal (probably a big one). Note that when you apply for Canadian PR, you will have to declare all of your visa refusals to any country. You already have two and you should avoid getting any more. When someone has too many visa refusals this can be another big red flag that the relationship isn't genuine and that the applicant (you) is just trying to find a way to get out of their country.

Sorry i wasn't thinking straight. Anyways, i'm sure nobody likes to received another refusal letter after being denied especially in my case but i am grateful that people here in this forum can able to help me and i think our other option before getting married here inPH is to take our time. Gather more proofs of our genuine relationship. Like have him visit me or we meet in any other asian countries. To be precise, make our relationship past over a year or so before deciding the marriage ceremony. It's the only way I can think of, if you say quick marriage could raise suspicious to the CIC along with two refusal letters.



Seniors tell me if what i think is right?

 

[MilesAway]

How long have you known him? How many times have you met in person?
CIC will look at those, and other factors, if you apply for sponsorship.

Meeting in a third country, spending more time together, and allowing your relationship to develop, are key to CIC.