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Toward Understanding Bill C-6 to Amend Citizenship Act; new 3/5 rule plus

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I donot know why they are skipping the bill. I landed on 11th Aug 2014 and feeling unlucky because of bill c 24
Hopefully they at least review this bill some day
 

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mohd000 said:
I donot know why they are skipping the bill. I landed on 11th Aug 2014 and feeling unlucky because of bill c 24
Hopefully they at least review this bill some day
You should be good, people landed between summer 2012 and summer 2013 are the most affected ones.
 

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spiritsoul said:
You should be good, people landed between summer 2012 and summer 2013 are the most affected ones.
Are you talking about the fact that they are affected by c24?
 

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tyl92 said:
Are you talking about the fact that they are affected by c24?
Yes
 

WeazyF

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I think it's time to start taking this more seriously. We aren't here just to gossip or add no value. My suggestion is someone should post all the emails for all the senators. Everyday they don't vote for the bill. They will get an email and a letter by post. It will only cost you the price of paper and envelope since postage to them is free. We can't be ignored for long. When you take a look at why alot of people are in this situation, you would find that this has been a very unfair process, form shutting down the embassy in NY during the PR and in some cases most of us have been here for over 10yrs. Started as students and have contributed our quota to society. So enough is enough. Time for action.
Please do all us a favour and post a list of their emails and addresses. Every weekend I will dedicate my time to writing and posting daily via email and mails. Thanks
 

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Your situation is heartfelt and your idea is okay to some degree, since many there have fell victims of what is perceived as injustice, class action suit will certainly put those who have or ar drowning in power who are culpable to reality.
I am just curious on what you are going to base a class action suit? What is the illegal action or wrongdoing committed? Keep in mind, while slow and inefficient, the politicians at both HoC and Senate levels have been acting within law so far. There is no way a Court would accept such a file. However, if you are thinking of suing the unconstitutional clauses C-24 contains, then you are confronting a huge monster, probably too big for a few of us to take on. It is more a job of the Libs to pursue that if deemed necessary. They are no longer on opposition though, so instead they can repeal those clauses; and they chose the worst method possible, by introducing a Bill that consists of far too many debatable clauses that will take time to push through. Not to mention that halfway through, they decided to reconsider the bill to ensure it protects Minister Monsef.
 

marcher

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ipfreely said:
If you would just scroll up and read the quote you will see why I said "victims of what is perceived injustice".
Yes I read it. Sadly we have nothing we can do about this other than wait and hope for the best. There is the argument that those of us who became PRs when the 3/5 Rule was in place, were technically lied to by having to fulfill the 4/6 rule now. But the big question is, do we have any legal contract with the government to become citizens? They tend to always portray citizenship as a privilege rather than a right, although I disagree with that concept. I also think PRs should have the same rights to vote as citizens because the actions and decisions of elected politicians affect PRs as much as they affect citizens. That would make politicians value PRs more.
 

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There is the argument that those of us who became PRs when the 3/5 Rule was in place, were technically lied to by having to fulfill the 4/6 rule now.
My turn. :) When was there a 3/5 rule?

I am sure you meant to refer to the 3/4 rule that was applicable for decades and up to June 11, 2015.

In any event, anyone who was a PR before notice was given that the Conservatives planned to change the rules could have easily met the 3/4 rule and applied before the change. So the fact that the law changed should not have caught anyone by surprise unless they were not paying attention or otherwise failed to do their homework.

In particular, the Conservatives promised to make the changes during their election campaign in the summer of 2011 and repeatedly promised to actually implement such changes by the end of 2014, after initially promising to implement them by December 2013. Anyone who was a PR in the summer of 2011 could have easily met the 3/4 rule by the end of 2014 (by summer of 2014 if they did not travel abroad). At the latest, there were quite specific promises being made before the summer of 2012, including for example a published account of then CIC Minister Jason Kenney's remarks to a group of immigration lawyers. While the exact scope of more stringent requirements were not publicly specified until February 2014, it was clear that the Conservative government planned to increase minimum presence requirements for citizenship.

I recall this in detail since I initially met the then existing eligibility requirements by the end of 2011, and many participants in multiple forums like this one repeatedly advised me to get my application filed before the government's proposed changes would take effect. I was not worried since I understood that any change to increase the presence requirement would take many months, at the least, to become law and take effect. I would have time to apply before the changes took effect. In the meantime, I had personal reasons for delaying making my application. More than a few forum participants essentially argued I was taking a big risk of being caught by a sudden increase in the presence requirement. I elected to wait until summer of 2013 to apply.

The only surprise was that it would take another two years still for the Conservatives to actually implement the longer presence requirement.

Bottomline: anyone who became a PR before June 2012 had notice
(if they did even a minimal amount of homework) that requirement changes were coming, and had time to qualify and apply for citizenship under the 3/4 rule. Anyone who became a PR after May 2012, had notice (if they did even a minimal amount of homework) the presence requirements were changing.
 

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any update on today`s seating ?
 

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richard1234 said:
Did anyone follow what happened today? It seems they talked something today.

Skipped. Monday there will be a non-routine sitting to address the government issues. hopefully, this bill will be brought up.
 

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now they read bill c-6 so i hope today finish second reading
 

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Thanks for update and posting...plz post final out come of it at end...Thanks in advance

artin2015 said:
now they read bill c-6 so i hope today finish second reading