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Hi Qorax

Not sure if this came up earlier, can you share with the forum the address (or pros/cons) where you took up your first residence in GTA, Or if you have moved now. Thanks.
Puneet Sharma
I continue to reside in the same place since landing. Have purchased a house here within 7 months of entering Canada. If u do a bit of research b4 coming u could do that too... or just 1 more move should suffice.
 

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QORAX - Thanks for your reply. May I know the address/neighborhood where you are. I will appreciate it and will use it to evaluate possible locations. Needless to say your choice of place of residence carries a lot of weight. Thanks as always for sharing.
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QORAX - Thanks for your reply. May I know the address/neighborhood where you are. I will appreciate it and will use it to evaluate possible locations. Needless to say your choice of place of residence carries a lot of weight. Thanks as always for sharing.
Puneet Sharma
Malton-Mississauga.
Reasoning in the OP.
 

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Dear Qorax, I appreciate your help.

Do you have information about London, ON? Do you think it's a good place to start for Industrial Electricians?
 

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qorax said:
Sheridan Centre, 2225 Erin Mills Parkway, Mississauga-ON, L5K 1T9 is located in a nice neighborhood. Some of the sites and attractions that can be found within Erin Mills' 8,000 acres include:
- Erin Mills Town Centre – located in Erin Mills Central
- Credit Valley Hospital – largest hospital in Mississauga and located in Erin Mills Central
- Numerous inter-connected recreational trails
- University of Toronto – Mississauga campus

The area is also served by the Oakville-Transit, Mississauga-Transit [MiWay] and GO-Transit, making travel easy throughout the neighborhood. The Erin Mills Parkway also runs through the community and Winston Churchill Boulevard, Highway 407 and Highway 403 can all be easily accessed by residents.

Although Erin Mills is the most populated neighborhood, it is important to note that it is not the most densely populated. As such, rest assured that you can live in the neighborhood without feeling overcrowded.

Some rental info could be found here:
1. http://www.torontorentals.com/2185Sheridan/
2. http://www.freerentads.com/mississauga-apartments-for-rent-erin-mills-parkway-folkway-apartment-rentals-QQZ135456-3bZ4X7
3. http://property.trovit.ca/for-rent-erin-mills-town-centre-mississauga

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DEAR QOREX, WHAT IS THE APPROX RENT IN THIS AREA ONE BEDROOM ?
 

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Just to clarify more on the North York areas to live. Is it all the same or are some intersections better/more family friendly. For example are the Sheppard/Yonge and Finch/Yonge areas equally safe and have similar amenities/shopping? Or am I better off closer to Sheppard. What about Bayview: is it better when closer to sheppard and does the area change going north towards finch and steeles?

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ktmom said:
Just to clarify more on the North York areas to live. Is it all the same or are some intersections better/more family friendly. For example are the Sheppard/Yonge and Finch/Yonge areas equally safe and have similar amenities/shopping? Or am I better off closer to Sheppard. What about Bayview: is it better when closer to sheppard and does the area change going north towards finch and steeles?

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If you want to be near supermarkets, of course, closer to Bayview Village on Sheppard/Bayview would be better.
 

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Where to live ?
Toronto Neighborhood Watch


Basically, this comes down to how you want to live? And the choices are based on three (3) factors:

1. The Location: Whether in Toronto city main, or its Suburbs (GTA);
2. The Accommodation: Whether in a Multi-storied building, House, or a Townhome;
3. The Dwelling: Whether Independently Staying, Shared Residence, or Basement suite.

Each has its pros-n-cons, but definitely we'd look into all the three aspects based on our choice, requirement & affordability. However, in view of the topic I'd restrict the discussion to Factor-1 only.

Our quest for the right neighbourhood selection would include walk to work, or transit (bus) facility, amenities available, family/social life, schooling, entertainment, medical aid etc. The fact remains that with Toronto such amenities are available in the immediate vicinity of every neighborhood. Toronto has many interesting neighbourhoods, each with their own personality. And people working here would live in almost every part of the GTA (Greater Toronto Area).



The Suburbs (GTA)

Toronto Suburbs are areas with lower-density housing and the major mode of transportation is driving (vs. walking and transit). If you have a car and you don't mind Toronto's rush-hour traffic, you can drive or bus to work and may be able to save money on your rent (note, you will always have to pay $50-100 per month for parking at work).

The main areas of residence in GTA would include North York, Vaughan, Markham, New Market etc. (to the North); Etobicoke, Malton, Brampton (to the West); Mississauga, Oakville (to the south) AND Scarborough, Ajax, Pickering etc. (to the East).

Mississauga / Brampton
A good choice of initial residence could be in Mississauga or Brampton. They both are close to Toronto. The price-vs-value of rental properties here are modest. TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) busses reach one location at Mississauga (near the Square One Mall), which is also a hep location... superb buildings & is the downtown of Mississauga – the largest city closest to Toronto. While the prices of rentals at Brampton would be a shade lower, but the quality of life is pretty good. A 1BR condo could be had for $1100-1300 in Mississauga, while in Brampton it could be $900-1200.

Malton
Another fine place of residence could be Malton. A quiet neighbourhood of Mississauga – but delinked to the main city. It's also closest to Toronto & home of the Pearson intl. Airport. The best part of Malton is that all the three Transits (Toronto, Mississauga & Brampton) comes here – infact Malton is their Terminus. The place is self contained & there are many jobs in the vicinity. Besides, rental prices are the lowest – mainly due to older buildings (but not a deal-breaker!). A 1BR here could be had for $950-1200, while Basement Accommodations are very many, usually costing $450-600.

North York
You can live 4-8 kms north, east or west of Yonge & Finch and probably find something for a few hundred dollars less than along the subway line. Look for clusters of high-rise buildings around Bathurst/Finch, Bathurst/Steeles, Don Mills/Finch, Don Mills/Sheppard, 401/DVP. Beyond that, most of these areas are suburban homes and as such, single-person rental stock is quite limited. If you have 2-3 roommates/families, you can look into renting an entire house as a cost-effective way of living.

Beyond the 8 km range, the localities are almost entirely homes and rentals become hard to come by. Closest to furthest, approximately: Thornhill, Downsview, Rexdale, Agincourt, Scarborough, Richmond Hill, Etobicoke, Markham and Vaughan.


Toronto CITY

If you can't or don't wish to drive, you have to account for walking/biking or taking the TTC. For which I'd recommend staying within 2-3 kms of the subway line. Taking the subway to work is fast and convenient, as well as cost-effective. U'd have options of daily tokens; a monthly pass or weekends passes - that gives you unlimited use of the entire system – very handy for weekend shopping and entertainment.

Rents along the Yonge line are pricier. However, units slightly removed from Yonge are not and some good deals can be had.

Yonge & Eglinton (North Toronto or Sherwood Park)
This area is the home to basically bachelors or small families, who have moved to Toronto. It is a vibrant, bustling area - built up around the Eglinton subway station. Taking the subway from Eglinton to Dundas Square (heart of Toronto) will take about 15 minutes. The area features cinemas, bookstores, fine dining, pubs, shopping, cafes, fast food. The housing stock tends to be mainly high-rise, low-rise and few houses. There are also many new condos in the area. It is generally quite safe and clean, and has more parks and quiet streets than downtown.

As the neighbourhood is immensely popular, rents can be higher than average. A 1BR apartment at Canterbury/Berkshire House (high-rise attached to the subway) goes for $1350-1600 plus parking. The largest building in the area (88 Erskine) is advertising 1-bdrms for $1495, and another large building (500 Duplex) had some 1BRs for $1350. Bachelors pads can be found in this area as well, usually for $800 or more. There are dozens of high-rises and low-rises here - you can find them around Eglinton, Roehampton, Holly, Broadway, Montgomery, Orchard View, Erskine, Keewatin, Redpath.

To find something cheaper in this general area you have to go somewhat further (2-3 kms+) east, towards Bayview & Eglinton, Leaside. Note there is very frequent bus service along Eglinton, that will take you right into the subway, and Mount Pleasant and Bayview avenues have a lot of shops and restaurants as well.

Yonge and Davisville
This is the next stop south of Eglinton. Similar neighbourhood, although a little quieter. Lots of high-rises, same prices. You can probably just walk or drive around and look for "vacancy" signs - but look on the “RentCanada” site as well and make an appointment or two. Street names with lots of buildings: Lacelles, Balliol, Davisville, Merton.


The DOWNTOWN Core

(Bay & Bloor, Yonge & Bloor, Yonge & College, Bay & College, Church Street etc.)
The Yonge street, south of Bloor, is considered to be the "core" of downtown (Dundas Square being the centre), with lots of offices, shopping (Eaton Centre), subway and entertainment nearby. There is also a lot of quality cheap fast food joints along Young between Bloor & College. It is generally quite a safe area because of the volume of pedestrian traffic at all times of the day. Grocery shopping can be found at a the 24-hour Dominion store at Church and Dundas. This urban area is home to people of many backgrounds and careers; professionals, students; rich and poor. Church street is also home to Toronto's gay and lesbian community, and is more relaxed than Yonge. Further east, one finds some run-down areas along Jarvis, Sherbourne and Parliament streets which are probably best avoided.

South of Bloor, and east of Yonge has lots of high-rise apartments, between Yonge and Church streets (look for addresses on Charles, Alexander, Wellesley, Dundonald, Maitland, Wood and Carleton streets). Generally you will find apartments in this area to be on par with Yonge and Eglinton with respect to size, price, and features. There are also a lot of high-rise condos between Yonge and Bay streets, west of Yonge street. They can be very expensive, but if one has roommates you might be able to swing it (you might try Horizon on Bay, 633 Bay at the corner of Bay and Edward). The condo offices often act as property manager for owners who wish to rent their suites.

The Danforth
Arranged along the Bloor-Danforth (east-west) Subway line, the Danforth (between Broadview and Donlands) is a popular area because of its lively atmosphere: pubs, restaurants, shops, festivals. It's also easy to get to work - just get on the subway at Donlands, Pape, Chester or Broadview and go anywhere in about 30 minutes. The Danforth is also known as Greektown and there are many Greek restaurants and cultural events in the neighbourhood.

The best part about the Danforth is that it's a great neighbourhood and it tends to be less expensive. The housing stock consists of units in older houses, and a few high-rises near Broadview. Bachelor pads can be had for $725+, and 1-bdrms from $1250.

The Annex
The Annex is along Bloor Street between the Bathurst, Spadina and St. George subway stops. It is home to many UofT professors, students, journalists, writers and a lot of professionals. There is a good "cafe scene" and you can walk to downtown, Chinatown, Kensington Market, the UofT and Little Italy. Bookstores, sushi joints, student pubs and the famed “Honest Ed's” are located nearby.

Houses are old but have a lot of character and the tree-lined streets are pleasant in the summer. Unfortunately, it seems everyone wants to live in the Annex and thus, rents are skyrocketed here. It may be possible to find a 1BR under $1300, but there are many basement options too - for $850 or whole floors for $1400+. Parking can be hard to find though.

Harbourfront (Queen's Quay - on the Lake)
Pros: living on the waterfront, recreation, party atmosphere in summer.
Cons: extremely expensive, cold in winter, oddly isolated from downtown, tourists.

Little Italy (College St. between Ossington and Bathurst)
Pros: cafe culture, bars, shops, entertainment.
Cons: not on the subway line and parking problems.

Corso Italia (St. Clair between Dufferin & Bathurst)
Pros: Duplexes can be less expensive ($1300 for 2 ppl). Cafe culture, bars, shops.
Cons: not on the subway line and parking problems.

Queen St. West (Bathurst to University)
Pros: Entertainment district, bars, shops.
Cons: Noisy, not on the subway line and very expensive.


Living close to YONGE & FINCH

Yonge & Finch is one of the nicest neighbourhoods of Toronto. It's also quite close to the heart of Downtown. You can see the CN Tower from here. This location is soon becoming more "urban" and has most of the basic amenities (grocery, pharmacy, video, fast food). Being 14 kms from downtown (Queen Street), this locality is throbbing with residences of many newcomers . Along Yonge street we'd find clusters of multi-use complexes - apartments, shopping malls, dining, cinema, offices etc. The neighbourhoods don't have a lot of character but are generally very safe and close to the subway and the Highway 401.

There are many new condos along the north Yonge Street corridor, but they tend to be quite expensive ($1300+ for a one bedroom). The houses around here will likely rent only a basement suite or the entire house. But there are always a few high-rises and other units around. Key areas to try searching are Yonge/Finch, Yonge/Steeles, Bathurst/Finch, Bayview/Finch, Yonge/Sheppard, North York Centre. If you are near any of these intersections, you will be served by TTC bus (Sheppard, Finch and NYC are on the subway too).


End Note:
Overall, the choice remains ours whether to reside in the GTA or at downtown. However, for newcomers, given the fact that purchasing a car is the most important decision to take – immediate upon landing – areas like Malton, Mississauga & Brampton are our best bet (purely my opinion), at least initially, for 6-8 months or a year, especially if we are with our families. ‘Coz downtown might have a charm – but it'd be demanding for the kids... just too crowded. Else, go to North York.


Qorax

Ps.: About Toronto - in the next post...

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Dear Mr QORAX

No doubt, your post and commentaries has brought relief to many potential immigrants in this thread
Thank you so much

Sir, I will like to know the meaning and difference between the following

1. An aprtment
2. A house
3. A townhouse
4 A Duplex
5. A Condo


I have a family of four ( 10, 8, 6 and 1 year)
Which of them will you recommend.

Thank you sir for being there for us
Hi,

I've written about it many times earlier, on my threads, but here u go again:

1. APARTMENTS: They r otherwise called 'Flats' around the globe. Probably in ur country too. Usually located in multi-storied bldgs. However, in North Americas u'd also fined some landlords 'converting' their 'houses' [more on it under] into 1BR, 2BR indep units & give it on lease calling them apartments.

2. HOUSES: These r self-standing dwellings. Usually called 'bunglows' or 'villas' around the globe. Probably in ur country too. They come as 'detached' or 'semi-detached' houses here in North America. The detached r the ones which r 'just one house' having some sort of open space all around. While the semi-detached r 'two indep houses' [belonging to two different owners] having a common wall. That is 2 houses conjoined - but having an open space in 3 direction of each.

3. TOWNHOUSES: Mostly called 'row houses' in UK & other parts of the world. These r indep homes [just like bunglows] but in much smaller lots & conjoined between each other in a row... i.e. about 10 & above dwelling units in a line all sharing a common wall between each other. These will not have any open space all-around, but u'd get just a front patio & a backyard. Townhouses r elongated vertical houses. Usually having nothing but a small room in the ground floor [called a 'den' here, used for office purposes or children's play area, or an anti-room], with the living room & kitchen in the 1st floor, while the bedrooms [usually 3+] in the 2nd floor. Townhouses come, obviously, cheaper than the detached or semi-detached houses, while offering similar comfort levels of a house. Many in North Americas can only afford this type of units, who otherwise do not want to buy/rent an apartment.

4. DUPLEXES: They r apartments but in "split levels". That is, these 'flats' r having 2 floors [combined into one unit, belonging to one owner] with staircases moving up from the living room towards the upper floor. These r very aesthetic dwelling units, much seen in movies, will always be larger than 'normal' flats, having 2 odd bedroom in the main floor - with another few in the upper floor. Usually there could be a larger room in the upper floor which could be used as a living room; and a kitchenette; thus, these Duplexes could be rented-out as separate units [one in the main floor - while the other in the upper floor] while closing down the stairs. Though such an arrangement mars the purpose and thus usually not resorted to by most owners... who albeit is looking for an upmarket lifestyle. Duplexes would generally be pricier than 2 separate flats/apartments of the same dimensions... why? -'coz of it's Aesthetic value. NOTE: Duplexes r not very popular in the North Americas. U'll hardly find any here.

5. CONDO: An abbreviation of Condominium, these r much like Apartments &/or Townhouses - but not 'wholly' belonging to u. A unique concept, found generally in the North Americas. These r developers &/or Real Estate Management companies [there's a regulation too on it in North Americas] properties... which r sub-sold to 'owners'. Meaning? -it works our cheaper for the owners, wherein they r actually 'shareholders' in a condo development... and not pure owners... i.e. they do not 'own' the development but have 'rights' to the unit [only] that they have 'purchased' & have 'no' or 'very limited' say on its governance/management. They'd dole out a monthly fee [usually $500++ to about $1100, depending on the quality & size of the property] to the management company... which in turn uses it for twin purposes -- enlarging a 'reserve fund' and part of it used for regular/periodic/necessary maintenance of all the common areas & central facilities, like pools, gyms, party rooms, parkings, sidewalk, street, lighting, elevators, bicycle rooms, central security, heat & hydro etc. maintenance/charges. Many a times, our unit's cable, general maintenance, minor repairs & heat/hydro r also included in the Condo-Fees. NOTE: Condos r much prevalent in North Americas. But not in Asian regions [though nowadays there r such developments coming-up in larger Asian cities too - like in Bombay, Delhi, Bangkok, Beijing etc.]

What u should chose for u?
That'd depend on ur budget & liking. As for the no. of ppl who could stay in a unit -- there is a Housing Bylaw in place in Canada, which regulates that. Which broadly rules that kids above 12 [I think, not 100% sure of the age regulation] cannot occupy one BR. While if the kids r male & female - the age regulations is further lowered. Simply said, it'd be the parents in one bedroom - while one bedroom for each adolescent kid. Which means if u have 2 kids - u require a 3BR home & upwards for more.

Hope that helped.

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There should be a number 6:

Townhouse within a condo/strata lot - Physically the home is a townhouse but is situated in a strata lot or within/attached to a high rise residential building. Similar to condo, they are not "wholly" belonging to u...... i.e. they do not 'own' the development but have 'rights' to the unit [only] that they have 'purchased' & have 'no' or 'very limited' say on its governance/management. They'd dole out a monthly maintenance fee [usually $200++ to about $1100, depending on the quality & size of the property] to the management company... which in turn uses it for twin purposes -- enlarging a 'reserve fund' and part of it used for regular/periodic/necessary maintenance of all the common areas & central facilities, like pools, gyms, party rooms, parkings, sidewalk, street, lighting, elevators, bicycle rooms, central security, heat & hydro etc. maintenance/charges
 

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There should be a number 6:

Townhouse within a condo/strata lot - Physically the home is a townhouse but is situated in a strata lot or within/attached to a high rise residential building. Similar to condo, they are not "wholly" belonging to u...... i.e. they do not 'own' the development but have 'rights' to the unit [only] that they have 'purchased' & have 'no' or 'very limited' say on its governance/management. They'd dole out a monthly maintenance fee [usually $200++ to about $1100, depending on the quality & size of the property] to the management company... which in turn uses it for twin purposes -- enlarging a 'reserve fund' and part of it used for regular/periodic/necessary maintenance of all the common areas & central facilities, like pools, gyms, party rooms, parkings, sidewalk, street, lighting, elevators, bicycle rooms, central security, heat & hydro etc. maintenance/charges
Yep, Correctly said.
 

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qorax said:
Yep, Correctly said.
Captain Qorax,

Do u have an idea about Niagara falls and St Catherines community? we think of settling there as are relatives live in Pittsburgh. any idea about safety? living expenses? opportuities?thanks

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Mr.Qorax,

What about London, Ontario, can you shed some light on the community there and is it advisable for landing immigrants in terms of getting starter/survival jobs.

Thanks