To apply or not to apply? C-6 queue vs C-24 queue!

[HamiltonApplicant]

Hello team members,

It will be at least an year from now before we realize the full effects of C-24 to C-6 transition, many PRs will have to make some decisions relying entirely on their intuition or gut feeling in the absence of reliable data, I wish get some input from experienced forum members. My doubts are:

1)Will CIC maintain two parallel queues for C-6 and C-24 applicants?
2)What determines the one's position in the queue, the date the application received by CIC or the date the the applicant signed application?

There is a back story to my questions here:
In 2007, while I was in Germany, I applied for PR under federally skilled worker migration program without checking the latest information from the website. The embassy sent the application back to me saying a new two step application process is in place, under whose provisions, the applicants need to provide only a shorter application with no supporting documents and secure a position in the queue. Embassy was to request for the detailed application and supporting document only when my turn was up.

The program was scrapped later and CIC reverted to the previous process or something similar. Much to my surprise, however, status check online started showing that people who applied for PR much later than I did began to get PR approved while I was waiting for my turn to come up. The situation was something like this:
1)The people who applied before 2007 got PR approved in 12 months in routine cases
2)The people like me, who applied in 2007, had to wait about 36 months on an average to get PR
3)People who applied after 2007 also got PR approved in 12 months or thereabouts in routine cases

It appeared that CIC maintained multiple queues, much to the detriment of the people who applied under the two step application process.

I was not in a hurry to get my PR when I applied, but the downturn in 2008 changed situation somewhat drastically, each day of delay became a source of some concern. Long story short, apart from few minor logistic issues towards the end of the process, I got my landing visa stamped in Apr 2010.

Thanks!

 

[HSD]

You landed in April 2010 and still didn't apply for citizen? You could have been easily eligible under the previous rule as c-24 only kicked in July 2015 and even under c-24 you must have sufficient time .

 

[itsmyid]

You landed in April 2010 and still didn't apply for citizen? You could have been easily eligible under the previous rule as c-24 only kicked in July 2015 and even under c-24 you must have sufficient time .

He already got his citizenship based on his recent posts .... just got too much free time in his hands and wanted to discuss things that don't affect him

 

[HamiltonApplicant]

You landed in April 2010 and still didn't apply for citizen? You could have been easily eligible under the previous rule as c-24 only kicked in July 2015 and even under c-24 you must have sufficient time .

Let me quote another forum member: "Note that Canada has made the application for new PR cards almost as onerous as applying for citizenship. I am associated with some long, long term PRs (PRs for decades) who recently decided it was time to become a citizen because of the inconvenience involved in having to periodically re-apply for a new PR card."

There are lot of people who are eligible under C-24 but not yet applied, this is for the benefit of such people! In fact I was faced with the same question last Nov, but after building enough buffer hurried through my application process...

 

[HamiltonApplicant]

He already got his citizenship based on his recent posts .... just got too much free time in his hands and wanted to discuss things that don't affect him

I did not know that forum members are expected to keep quite after getting citizenship! I am sorry if I trespassed into your safe space and committed a microaggression of starting a new thread, I apologize!

 

[itsmyid]

I did not know that forum members are expected to keep quite after getting citizenship! I am sorry if I trespassed into your safe space and committed a microaggression of starting a new thread, I apologize!

how is this 'my safe place' ? This is not 'my place' nor do I consider it 'safe' or 'dangerous', It is just a free forum where you are free to say whatever you want, so am I. I do admit I am a bit annoyed to see the same 'eligible now should I apply or wait?' or 'when in fall will it be implemented?' or 'can you calculate my time in Canada for me?' popping up again and again in new threads, there are already quite a few established threads about these topics and they have been discussed/analyzed many, many times ...

 

[links18]

I doubt there will be separate queues based on which law one applies under. There are separate queues based on the particular local office processing your case however. Under the Harper era back-log, processing times could vary greatly depending on the region of the country.

 

[itsmyid]

I doubt there will be separate queues based on which law one applies under. There are separate queues based on the particular local office processing your case however. Under the Harper era back-log, processing times could vary greatly depending on the region of the country.

Like mentioned in many, many discussions, CIC is not known for 'transparency', even if they did have different queues in the past, nobody knows if they would do the same this time or in the future, or they will have different queues based on some other criteria, nobody knows... this kind of speculation adds very little value, which is equivalent to analyzing buying tickets at which gas station has the best odds to win LottoMax ...

About a few months ago, many people here were confident that the C-6 implementation would be a year after RA, why? because that's how long C-24 took, so C-6 must be the same....

 

[HamiltonApplicant]

I doubt there will be separate queues based on which law one applies under. There are separate queues based on the particular local office processing your case however. Under the Harper era back-log, processing times could vary greatly depending on the region of the country.

I did some browsing, it looks like CIC has processed all the routine applications under pre C-24 rule. Average processing time for routine C-24 applications is 12 months. My focus in this thread is whether 3/5 rule under C-6 will increase the average processing time for C-24 applications beyond 12 months. I also believe experienced forum members can say something based on past experience based on Pre-C-24 to C-24 transition. There is no way to ask this question correctly, every thread/every question appears to be a version of another question asked or another thread opened....

 

[_MK_]

I think the general consensus is it will take longer to process your application when C6 comes into force. If you are eligible now, you should apply now. When applications get entered into the system, they get entered by the date they are received. There is no way for anyone to predict whether CIC will process using multiple queues or not and which queues gets prioritized. They might already have separate queues now.

Another thing that affects processing is the city you are living in. If you are applying from immigrant hub city like GTA, Vancouver, etc, these cities get more frequent test dates and oath dates simply because there are lot of applications from these cities. This potentially contributes to some people getting test dates in a month and others waiting 4-5 months. With C6, these dates might fill up sooner or people might have to wait longer or CIC might add more dates. It all depends on their internal implementation/process which we do not have any visibility into and frankly it shouldnt matter.
If you are eligible and you want to apply, then just do so. Eventually you will get it. Unless you have work/family related reasons to travel, etc, a PR gets almost all the benefits a citizen does with the exception of voting and travel privileges. Most people wont be affected.

 

[HamiltonApplicant]

Like mentioned in many, many discussions, CIC is not known for 'transparency', even if they did have different queues in the past, nobody knows if they would do the same this time or in the future, or they will have different queues based on some other criteria, nobody knows... this kind of speculation adds very little value, which is equivalent to analyzing buying tickets at which gas station has the best odds to win LottoMax ...

About a few months ago, many people here were confident that the C-6 implementation would be a year after RA, why? because that's how long C-24 took, so C-6 must be the same....

I think the general consensus is it will take longer to process your application when C6 comes into force. If you are eligible now, you should apply now. When applications get entered into the system, they get entered by the date they are received. There is no way for anyone to predict whether CIC will process using multiple queues or not and which queues gets prioritized. They might already have separate queues now.

Another thing that affects processing is the city you are living in. If you are applying from immigrant hub city like GTA, Vancouver, etc, these cities get more frequent test dates and oath dates simply because there are lot of applications from these cities. This potentially contributes to some people getting test dates in a month and others waiting 4-5 months. With C6, these dates might fill up sooner or people might have to wait longer or CIC might add more dates. It all depends on their internal implementation/process which we do not have any visibility into and frankly it shouldnt matter.
If you are eligible and you want to apply, then just do so. Eventually you will get it. Unless you have work/family related reasons to travel, etc, a PR gets almost all the benefits a citizen does with the exception of voting and travel privileges. Most people wont be affected.

I try to fine tune my question, but it is difficult. The biggest dilemma would for those people who are near the date of transition. Let me give you a hypothetical situation.

• A person X becomes eligible on the 30th Sep 2017 under 4/6 rule
• The c-6 rule becomes effective on the 1st Oct 2017
• Now, person X can put 30th Sep 2017 as the date of signature, but it is risky with zero buffer for residency requirements
• On the +ve side, X can possible get the citizenship in six months
  
• The person X can put 1st Oct 2017 as the date of signature, and, make it safe in terms of residency requirements
• Here X runs into the risk of waiting may 1 to 2 years for the citizenship.

This is essence my threads and messages, What would be your advice?

 

[itsmyid]

I try to fine tune my question, but it is difficult. The biggest dilemma would for those people who are near the date of transition. Let me give you a hypothetical situation.

• A person X becomes eligible on the 30th Sep 2017 under 4/6 rule
• The c-6 rule becomes effective on the 1st Oct 2017
• Now, person X can put 30th Sep 2017 as the date of signature, but it is risky with zero buffer for residency requirements
• On the +ve side, X can possible get the citizenship in six months
  
• The person X can put 1st Oct 2017 as the date of signature, and, make it safe in terms of residency requirements
• Here X runs into the risk of waiting may 1 to 2 years for the citizenship.

This is essence my threads and messages, What would be your advice?

You have indicated the situation you came up with is hypothetical - it would be the same as figuring out how to buy lottery to win, both are just waste of time. People could just apply when they qualify and the rest is out of their hands, no use trying to speculating the best time to file

 

[_MK_]

I try to fine tune my question, but it is difficult. The biggest dilemma would for those people who are near the date of transition. Let me give you a hypothetical situation.

• A person X becomes eligible on the 30th Sep 2017 under 4/6 rule
• The c-6 rule becomes effective on the 1st Oct 2017
• Now, person X can put 30th Sep 2017 as the date of signature, but it is risky with zero buffer for residency requirements
• On the +ve side, X can possible get the citizenship in six months
  
• The person X can put 1st Oct 2017 as the date of signature, and, make it safe in terms of residency requirements
• Here X runs into the risk of waiting may 1 to 2 years for the citizenship.

This is essence my threads and messages, What would be your advice?

In all cases, I recommend having buffer of at least two weeks. If you are absolutely sure of your dates (such as for someone who has not left Canada once in the 4 years after PR), you can take the risk but I wouldnt in your case. I would apply on Oct 1 (you have 1 year buffer). On sep 30th ( you have 0 buffer). I think making sure your application is normal is more important than trying eek out efficiencies with guesses.

 

[HamiltonApplicant]

You have indicated the situation you came up with is hypothetical - it would be the same as figuring out how to buy lottery to win, both are just waste of time. People could just apply when they qualify and the rest is out of their hands, no use trying to speculating the best time to file

There you go again itsmyforum! Only thing hypothetical in my message are the dates, I don't know when 3/5 rule will become effective; Rest is a statistical certainty. Every single day, 500 people migrate to Canada permanently, I am being conservative here! In my estimate, the day before 3/5 rule become effective, about 500 will have residency between 1460 and 1470, kind of no-man's land, .....

I can go on and on, but I know one thing; If I say my own experience which I am totally certain of, you will dismiss it as a one-off and statistically insignificant info. If I make a forward looking statement, you dismiss it as speculation! I guess it is futile to debate with people like you, forum is all yours Nosterdamus!

 

[links18]

There you go again itsmyforum! Only thing hypothetical in my message are the dates, I don't know when 3/5 rule will become effective; Rest is a statistical certainty. Every single day, 500 people migrate to Canada permanently, I am being conservative here! In my estimate, the day before 3/5 rule become effective, about 500 will have residency between 1460 and 1470, kind of no-man's land, .....

I can go on and on, but I know one thing; If I say my own experience which I am totally certain of, you will dismiss it as a one-off and statistically insignificant info. If I make a forward looking statement, you dismiss it as speculation! I guess it is futile to debate with people like you, forum is all yours Nosterdamus!

If the implementation of Bill C-6's more lenient requirements will dramatically increase the number of people who become eligible to apply all of a sudden and you have not heard of IRCC hiring more processing agents, then it is reasonable to assume processing times will go up from what they are today, which is dramatically down from what they were at the height of the Harper era back log, because there was a period in which fewer people were eligible to apply. Now, it may be reasonable to assume this, but it is also not possible to know everything IRCC is doing as it is true they are not known for transparency. I do not think that there will be separate queues based on the law or date one applies so it wouldn't make much difference in the scenario you describe above, but that is just my impression and I could be wrong. Historically, the biggest threat for a long processing time was non-routine processing--in which case it is better to apply under the law that gives more buffer--and local office--Western cities tended to be particularly bad, although the GTA was no cake walk either. Windsor tended to be relatively quick based on reports here.