Tips for 2016 (Future) PGP Applicants

[aryan15]

FYI - I get courier packages all of the time from many different companies (including purolater). You would be surprised how often the time is wrong by hours. Sometimes even the day is wrong (i.e. their records show they delivered a day earlier than they actually did). I've always felt that tracking and delivery times can't be relied upon at all.

Yes except this is an unusual scenario. They knew they had almost 1000 applications. It is one thing to not be able to deliver on time and completely another to lie about it. They have no reason to intentionally lie. It is not like we can do anything about it if it was delivered at 2 PM. They are well protected through insurance. I see no reason for them to have to lie to clients.

 

[sapguru]

I already got that, but we do not know what other company they used, so no clue if they were before or after UPS/Fedex or in between. And how many they had 700 or 1500? Still a mess...

Did you send by Purolator as well? If yes, what time did they mention that the application was delivered?

 

[tulipo4ka]

This is my second year. I didn't reuse last year's forms. I downloaded the forms many times through out the year. My mistake was close to the end of 2015 I didn't bother comparing the whole forms anymore, instead I checked timestamps on the CIC forms link page and the bottom of the forms. It is half my bad luck and half CIC's fault. I don't think I am a lazy bum. There is no need to be rude!

I did same thing as you - was comparing the timestamps on the forms only, just had some better luck I guess, but could have easily send the form from September if I was using the same computer. I don't believe they will reject because of this. This is 100% their fault, not half. Technically you used the latest revision. It is not posible to download every form and compare field by field to see if something changed - that's why forms have revisions. If anything changes - the form MUST be revised - doesn't matter if the change is format only or not.

 

[tulipo4ka]

Did you send by Purolator as well? If yes, what time did they mention that the application was delivered?

No, I sent by Fedex, but trying to understand where Purolator was in that line - to better estimate my chances..

 

[rajparvez87]

I already got that, but we do not know what other company they used, so no clue if they were before or after UPS/Fedex or in between. And how many they had 700 or 1500? Still a mess...

I used Purolator's same-day service to send my application and the proof of delivery email that I got from them is sent from SCI Logistics. I noticed that SCI Logistics is part of Canada Post group of companies so maybe that's what they used to deliver these applications.

https://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/aboutus/corporate/groupcompanies.jsf

My application was picked up from Purolator (5995 Avebury Rd, Mississauga) at 9.13 AM and delivered at 10;08AM. The drive from that location to CPC is about 10 minutes he must have lined up at the center at around 9:30-9:45 and delivered at 10:08AM.

 

[boorishbrat1]

This is my second year. I didn't reuse last year's forms. I downloaded the forms many times through out the year. My mistake was close to the end of 2015 I didn't bother comparing the whole forms anymore, instead I checked timestamps on the CIC forms link page and the bottom of the forms. It is half my bad luck and half CIC's fault. I don't think I am a lazy bum. There is no need to be rude!

No one's being rude - you just confirmed it yourself.

 

[thecoolguysam]

I just checked and I have used the latest forms.

 

[aryan15]

I did same thing as you - was comparing the timestamps on the forms only, just had some better luck I guess, but could have easily send the form from September if I was using the same computer. I don't believe they will reject because of this. This is 100% their fault, not half. Technically you used the latest revision. It is not posible to download every form and compare field by field to see if something changed - that's why forms have revisions. If anything changes - the form MUST be revised - doesn't matter if the change is format only or not.

Sorry guys, I don't mean to be rude but there is no reason to create such panic amongst everyone here. I agree with previous post that such comments only confuse everyone emotionally invested in the process. To be honest, you can't blame this on CIC. I remember during November, they updated the website and it said new forms for 2016 process are now available. I called CIC office and confirmed if those were the forms we needed to use. Yes, nobody has a right to call anyone lazy or be rude but at the same time don't just blame CIC because you did not see the update. Please be considerate to everyone else. What good is this going to do now anyway? We already sent the application. Even if you update the forms now and send them with explanation, if they are going to reject it, they will do that anyway.

 

[iluvbaguio]

I don't understand what you are saying? It still says December 2012 and I downloaded late November/ early December and it looks the same.
Schedule A – Background/Declaration [IMM 5669] (PDF, 795.96 KB) December 2012

Both forms are coded IMM 5669 (12-2012) E meaning version December 2012. But if you notice now, the form is totally different compared to what we have November 2015.

The risk their is that if we download our form before CIC revised the form and not verifying it again by reopening the form from the site, then we will assume that it still the same form as CIC did not change the revision number from 12-2012 to 12-2015.

 

[sapguru]

Hello I am from Metro Mississauga Courier. Many clients have contacted me to clearify a lot of information floating around. Perhaps I can clear a few things up and and give you advice you can use.

Firstly Happy Road, Metro Mississauga, and VW were the three couriers that began the line up in the morning of January 23, 2016 with a combined approximate total of 1000 applications

Between just us we had a approximately 1000 applications. We were served by 3 tables stations each manned by 2 CPC staff members. If people were wondering about duplication of the time reported by different couriers well logically of course. We were served by 3 tables at the same time.

Chris
Metro Mississauga Courier

Chris, thanks for taking out time from your schedule to provide an insight to the delivery scene. Hope you got some time to take rest as well. Would you be able to share at what time you and other two couriers (HR and VW) were finished delivering your applications?
btw, did you and other two local companies started lining up in front of the office a day before?

Thanks!

 

[Century]

This is my second year. I didn't reuse last year's forms. I downloaded the forms many times through out the year. My mistake was close to the end of 2015 I didn't bother comparing the whole forms anymore, instead I checked timestamps on the CIC forms link page and the bottom of the forms. It is half my bad luck and half CIC's fault. I don't think I am a lazy bum. There is no need to be rude!

The old and the new form got the same information. Few years back, in 2013 FSW application, a revised form was added at the last day with probably with only one new added information with the form. So they reject the application.

For PGP 2016, as both the forms contain the same information, logically it should be accepted. If you want, you can sent the new form with an explanation in case they reject old form and ready to add new docs. From my experience in FSW2104, many applicants missed forms/certificates with original application and later on sent addendum. The addendum was accepted. So you can try sending an addendum.

 

[aryan15]

Both forms are coded IMM 5669 (12-2012) E meaning version December 2012. But if you notice now, the form is totally different compared to what we have November 2015.

The risk their is that if we download our form before CIC revised the form and not verifying it again by reopening the form from the site, then we will assume that it still the same form as CIC did not change the revision number from 12-2012 to 12-2015.

It looks the same to me. I don't know what you saw in november

 

[thecoolguysam]

The website of CIC was updated around 24th November for PGP applications.
So technically, people should have downloaded forms after the official announcement. I hope no one has used the old forms.

 

[iluvbaguio]

It is pretty clear that both Schedule A forms are identical in content (if you check field by field). The slight difference is in format ONLY. That's why they have the same date-stamp (12-2012). Both are valid.

I agree! I think is both valid since the information required have not change..

 

[jhutti]

The old and the new form got the same information. Few years back, in 2013 FSW application, a revised form was added at the last day with probably with only one new added information with the form. So they reject the application.

For PGP 2016, as both the forms contain the same information, logically it should be accepted. If you want, you can sent the new form with an explanation in case they reject old form and ready to add new docs. From my experience in FSW2104, many applicants missed forms/certificates with original application and later on sent addendum. The addendum was accepted. So you can try sending an addendum.

What matter is that the first in line Coops students & their Supervisor who are checking and ticking marks should also think that both forms give same information. They will have benchmark forms with them to compare the Completed application.