The sponsor is responsible for appealing the rejection of the applicant?

[Clear Beauty]

I think your assessment that many Chinese applicants are refused for whatever reason is certainly not a founded one, at least, not based on data that is available here on this particular website for various sponsorship applicants. I think you will find that YOUR particular situation and evidences are what accumulated to cause your wife's rejection.

They put the responsibility of appeal in the sponsors hand because they are assuming that you are the one that wants your spouse to come here therefore if that is the case you will appeal a decision you feel is wrong. If they left it to the spouse to do the appeal, where does that leave the sponsor if they have since decided against the immigration? The sponsor is the responsible party in this type of situation because of these issues.

I can tell you from the outside (what you've typed here) that your marriage sounds more like some sort of a contract than it does a loving relationship entered into by two individuals who have deep expressed feelings for one another. I would suggest you get your appeal letter sent and also order your GCMS notes to see what particular issues triggered a negative response. Focus on those instances to try to assuage their initial findings. If you don't and you speak of your relationship in person in the same type of 'tone' that is conveyed here, I suspect your appeal will also fail.

Best of luck to you.

The appeal is registered. Already I have seen the interview files in hand. There was a sponsorship interview very similar to mine, the same day even, probably the same VO rejecting applicants for the most lame reasons . Contrary to your belief, I think there is a continual rejection of spousal applicants being screwed over at this office for trivial reasons. As example, I will find this applicant's name here. [ Read his story :Quote from: wjmund on March 02, 2016, 08:12:18 am

My wife just had her interview in Hong Kong. Here are the main points:
My dear husband Warren
The Hongkong interview visa officer is a visa officer is Hongkong Chinese female, she is from the beginning to treat me with suspicion,
Her suspicion is:
1, we in the online E-mail, 2 months of marriage, too fast.
2, your family didn't attend our wedding,
3, your family and I just met QQ, does not believe to be true.
4, our age difference of 15 years old, she thought that the age is not appropriate.
When she said these words, explanation did not give me the opportunity, he had just said a lot. My translator and I can tell that the visa officer, why do we get married so fast, there is no way in translation.
The visa officer asked me what we talk with the language, I said most in English, I can speak a little english. She asked me in English, she spoke too quickly, and I couldn't understand. She said I don't believe you can speak english. I said, every day we QQ video chat, using the international version of the QQ, if you don't understand can write information, direct translation. ]

That's almost identical to my experience. They reject translation based relationships.

After I read the transcript of my wife's March 3 2016 interview, I see where the VO had a good opportunity to reject our application.
There were 3 issues I suspect doomed the application:
(1) In 1994 my wife conspired with her sister to falsify information on the birth certificate of her fatherless child to enable the kid to have a proper family identity on the household registry. Government agency workers hate seeing people who can pull stunts like this.
(2) I made the fatal mistake of giving our 700 pages of Chat records in Chinese language, not English. The VO discarded the chat evidence immediately .
(3) My wife is totally bored about the details of my life in Canada. There was almost nothing my wife could describe of my personal life in Canada. She could not describe it to the VO.

 

[Alurra71]

The appeal is registered. Already I have seen the interview files in hand. There was a sponsorship interview very similar to mine, the same day even, probably the same VO rejecting applicants for the most lame reasons . Contrary to your belief, I think there is a continual rejection of spousal applicants being screwed over at this office for trivial reasons. As example, I will find this applicant's name here. [ Read his story :Quote from: wjmund on March 02, 2016, 08:12:18 am

My wife just had her interview in Hong Kong. Here are the main points:
My dear husband Warren
The Hongkong interview visa officer is a visa officer is Hongkong Chinese female, she is from the beginning to treat me with suspicion,
Her suspicion is:
1, we in the online E-mail, 2 months of marriage, too fast.
2, your family didn't attend our wedding,
3, your family and I just met QQ, does not believe to be true.
4, our age difference of 15 years old, she thought that the age is not appropriate.
When she said these words, explanation did not give me the opportunity, he had just said a lot. My translator and I can tell that the visa officer, why do we get married so fast, there is no way in translation.
The visa officer asked me what we talk with the language, I said most in English, I can speak a little english. She asked me in English, she spoke too quickly, and I couldn't understand. She said I don't believe you can speak english. I said, every day we QQ video chat, using the international version of the QQ, if you don't understand can write information, direct translation. ]

That's almost identical to my experience. They reject translation based relationships.
For example , here is a recent chat with 'Roger' an immigration agency in China: Roger 22/04/2016 7:40:50 PM
I have finished reading half of the case note. I will discuss each question with your wife.

Me 22/04/2016 7:46:11 PM
I doubt she has any better insight than what you read in the interview. I see the attitude of the VO. She would try to reject the application probably even before she saw my wife

Roger 22/04/2016 7:46:39 PM
that's the VO's job [ to win rejections as brownie points ]

Roger 22/04/2016 7:46:45 PM
CIC's purpose

The image CIC gives Sponsoship applicants is of a benevolent agency, ha ha.

After I read the transcript of my wife's March 3 2016 interview, I see where the VO had a good opportunity to reject our application.
There were 3 issues I suspect doomed the application:
(1) In 1994 my wife conspired with her sister to falsify information on the birth certificate of her fatherless child to enable the kid to have a proper family identity on the household registry. Government agency workers hate seeing people who can pull stunts like this.
(2) I made the fatal mistake of giving our 700 pages of Chat records in Chinese language, not English. The VO discarded the chat evidence immediately .
(3) My wife is totally bored about the details of my life in Canada. There was almost nothing my wife could describe of my personal life in Canada. She could not describe it to the VO.

So these 3 ticks that I have bolded are from YOUR wife's interview? I can also see why the VO would deny your wife her visa.

The first point shows that your wife will do anything necessary to give her son a better life even if it means marrying someone to leave China in order to get it for him ....

Do you speak fluent Chinese? If you do not, the VO would be correct to discard that evidence because you could have easily altered it to say anything....

The third point alone says a lot about your relationship, nothing good, from my perspective and obviously not the VOs either.

What I don't understand is how you can sit there and complain that the VO is wrong to not issue your wife a visa and be so complacent about the fact that your wife has NO INTEREST in your life whatsover ...

It takes all kinds to make the world go round. If I were you I would take a few steps back and look at this situation from another perspective. In order to overcome just those three points you're going to need a substantial miracle ...

Best of luck to you on this one.

 

[mikeymyke]

After I read the transcript of my wife's March 3 2016 interview, I see where the VO had a good opportunity to reject our application.
There were 3 issues I suspect doomed the application:
(1) In 1994 my wife conspired with her sister to falsify information on the birth certificate of her fatherless child to enable the kid to have a proper family identity on the household registry. Government agency workers hate seeing people who can pull stunts like this.
(2) I made the fatal mistake of giving our 700 pages of Chat records in Chinese language, not English. The VO discarded the chat evidence immediately .
(3) My wife is totally bored about the details of my life in Canada. There was almost nothing my wife could describe of my personal life in Canada. She could not describe it to the VO.

The biggest red flag for me, is #3. How could you say to CIC that your marriage is genuine when your wife doesn't even know your personal life in Canada? You see, you're here criticizing CIC for being unfair and discriminatory, yet it turns out your wife couldn't even describe your personal life to the VO.

I think maybe it sounds like you don't know your wife as well as you thought, as it seems like she doesn't even care about you since she doesnt even know details about your life in Canada, as every spouse should. Even you yourself admitted just there, that you admitted you saw why the VO rejected your wife's app.

I was really sympathetic to you my friend, but as the details become more clear, I think your wife is not the woman you thought she was.

 

[badpusacat]

Clear Beauty, no offense at all but if I am in the position of the VO, I would have the same decision as well. Here's my few cents about your case. I hope it will help you "assess" the appeal that you're planning.

1. It is necessary that ALL the documents must be translated in English - official or just by you. How fluent are you in Chinese? If you're not, how can they believe the chat document is genuine if you can't even translate what's in there.

2. Issue #1 is a big deal. I don't know how you will cover it ip. It means you're wife did fraud with the government in the past.

3. How often do you chat with your wife? How come she doesn't know anything about your life in Canada? I hope you don't mind but what are you talking about with all the 700 chat logs? My husband and I chat may 3-6hrs a day in total but I know his daily life routine back home. He knows what kind of work I do, he knows how I prepare my food, and he even knows the bus schedule during weekends.

4. When your wife was ask to come for an interview, you should have expected that she is there to be verified, questioned, and interrogated. In the first place she won't be there if they are satisfied with your documents. You should have expected that she will be ask about YOU. Going to that interview without any idea what your spouse personal life/routine is doesn't sound "spouse" at all.

Goodluck!

 

[mikeymyke]

Yes that's another thing too, how could you have chatted with your wife so much, yet she knows so little about you? That's shocking to me that in the interview notes that she knows almost NOTHING about your personal life. Not just A LITTLE, but almost NOTHING. That speaks volumes about your wife.

 

[Clear Beauty]

Yes that's another thing too, how could you have chatted with your wife so much, yet she knows so little about you? That's shocking to me that in the interview notes that she knows almost NOTHING about your personal life. Not just A LITTLE, but almost NOTHING. That speaks volumes about your wife.

My situation is probably not uncommon. I live an isolated lifestyle. I am confined to my work in remote territory. There developed an internet relationship. I began to depend on her contact.
Sometimes there seems enough reason to abandon the marriage as insincere, but she never let's it go.
A lot of misunderstandings and hard feelings developed from my suspicion. I consider our legal marriage as binding. Sometimes I try to back out of it. When she was called for interview I pressured her to learn more of the questions the VO would ask about me, but my wife would not cooperate.
This has been my dilemma. Months ago I thought I'd be able to dump the relationship after the interview, but no way. That would be like leaving my pet cat at the Bus Stop.

 

[badpusacat]

My situation is probably not uncommon. I live an isolated lifestyle. I am confined to my work in remote territory. There developed an internet relationship. I began to depend on her contact.

This means that you have a SIMPLE lifestyle that can be easily understood if your wife is willing to do it - work, sleep, eat, and FEW extra details. She can even say that majority of your routine revolves around work and these are the other stuff that you do outside work.

My husband doesn't work and his routine varies EVERYDAY but still I know what does he do on most days.

If you and your wife will stick with this thinking that "we are like this", then it's a struggle to win the appeal. She is applying for sponsorship to be with you, LIVE with you, and she doesn't know anything about you?

Look, I'm not saying that there is something wrong with your relationship, it's your life, it's your choice, BUT AS PER IMMIGRATION POINT OF VIEW, there is something wrong and alarming in your setup.

 

[MidoRafa]

My situation is probably not uncommon. I live an isolated lifestyle. I am confined to my work in remote territory. There developed an internet relationship. I began to depend on her contact.
Sometimes there seems enough reason to abandon the marriage as insincere, but she never let's it go.
A lot of misunderstandings and hard feelings developed from my suspicion. I consider our legal marriage as binding. Sometimes I try to back out of it. When she was called for interview I pressured her to learn more of the questions the VO would ask about me, but my wife would not cooperate.
This has been my dilemma. Months ago I thought I'd be able to dump the relationship after the interview, but no way. That would be like leaving my pet cat at the Bus Stop.

Been following this thread and sorry to hear your problems. But to be honest I echo others' sentiments in warning you about this relationship.
Of course you're free to keep pursuing both the immigration and the relationship aspects of this marriage, but I have to say the prospects don't look good on either front.
If your wife is this apathetic towards you, your life, and the relationship, I'd say there's a good chance -even if she makes it to Canada- she would just want out as soon as she legally can (after two years), during which time you will be financially responsible for her and her child, and the neglect/apathy could just continue from her end meanwhile. You want her in your life, she's getting something from you for the next two years, so she's staying until then. After those two years, I'd guess she'd either leave you, or -worse IMO- stay and treat you as a bank account and an insurance policy for her and her son (esp. if she doesn't speak English).
I believe this is how CIC is viewing your marriage: you may be genuine in your feelings, but it looks more like a calculated transaction with immigration in mind rather than a marriage.

Unsolicited relationship advice: you'll probably have to endure some pain from a probable separation either now or in the future, so you might as well get it over with now, get out and move on. I believe the alternative is even more painful, which is to stay in this relationship for a long time which to me feels like being stuck in a really bad situation forever. A marriage is supposed to be about support and building a mutual life - what else would you talk about at home at night?

Best of luck to you.

 

[mikeymyke]

My situation is probably not uncommon. I live an isolated lifestyle. I am confined to my work in remote territory. There developed an internet relationship. I began to depend on her contact.
Sometimes there seems enough reason to abandon the marriage as insincere, but she never let's it go.
A lot of misunderstandings and hard feelings developed from my suspicion. I consider our legal marriage as binding. Sometimes I try to back out of it. When she was called for interview I pressured her to learn more of the questions the VO would ask about me, but my wife would not cooperate.
This has been my dilemma. Months ago I thought I'd be able to dump the relationship after the interview, but no way. That would be like leaving my pet cat at the Bus Stop.

I really don't understand why it's so hard for you leave someone who clearly doesn't care or love you. It sounds like you're very insecure and emotionally fragile. That would make it easy for someone like your wife to walk all over you, which it seems like what she is doing. Leaving your pet cat at the bus stop, at least your cat would probably have 10 times more affection for you than your wife.

Maybe you feel that since you've already married someone, it should be something that lasts forever and you can't give it up. Well, guess what? Divorce happens, even in legitimate relationships. Divorcing someone shouldn't be something you should feel ashamed of doing if it turns out your partner isn't the right one for you, and especially in this case, your wife doesn't even care about you at all.

I will tell you this, you will be hurt even more should you try to continue with this marriage and have her come to Canada. She will either leave you as soon as the Condition 51 passes, or she will keep using you as her pet dog, because that's what you are if you as a grown man, aren't strong enough to leave this horrible woman.

 

[Clear Beauty]

I really don't understand why it's so hard for you leave someone who clearly doesn't care or love you. It sounds like you're very insecure and emotionally fragile. That would make it easy for someone like your wife to walk all over you, which it seems like what she is doing.

I consider the opinions on my posts as valuable insights. I agree I am insecure. Especially as I reach old age there is little hope finding another relationship.
No surprise that my Chinese wife is materialistic. She doesn't waste a breath. Also I do not expect her to become a fairy godmother.
Currently, I wait for the defining moment. I discuss here with other guys who have the same rejected Chinese spousal applications. My wife will also have me live in China if immigration fails. I am very reluctant to leave it abandoned at customs.