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The reality of getting a job through LMIA?

fkl

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Hi Marcus,

I could shed some light on this being an LMIA based software job holder who was recruited from overseas. I work for a company which regularly hires people from all over the world. We have around 30% people recruited this way.

However, IT IS ONLY tied to very specialized IT experience. e.g. i work in multicore network processors - a specific family whose experience is important in my employer's business. For most other common IT roles, my employer hires locally.

Every thing mentioned about LMIA process by others is true. You have to advertise and prove that No qualified Canadians were available for the role. Plus more recently fee was increased as well as the requirements.

One important thing missed among other posts is that LMIA requirements, needs and processing times vary by province some what. In my case, the province is Quebec (although we have office in Ottawa as well).

Toronto in general is a bad place to look for any kind of job as a prospective / current immigrant. Opportunities in IT might be slightly better but there are scores of existing people on PR status looking for jobs with degrees and experience in IT.

So you must have

a) a special skill in IT which practically wont have issues proving to government that no suitable Canadians are available when it really is the truth
b) that is badly needed by an established employer

in order to consider the LMIA route.

The core of IT industry in Canada is around Vancouver, Ottawa or Kitchener / Waterloo region.

It is worth mentioning that LMIA is the biggest hurdle EVEN when you are in Canada already working - for switching jobs. It is a painful process which very few employers are willing to undergo. So the factor is elevated if you are remote.

Lastly, if you are skilled and have proven experience / expertise in either of Network function virtualization, Open stack or broad-com switch programming, ping me.


UPDATE:

Oh, and to the general audience ranting about EE preferring those with jobs and that being unfair, i don't have time for a long debate - but here is a quick key point.

Canada has more skilled people at the moment compared to jobs. On top of this, Canadian experience outweighs most other elements unless you really have a skill for which there are no Canadians. Reality is that it is easier to get immigration than to get a first decent job in your own profession.

There are too many horror stories - so CIC is attempting to prevent that from happening which i believe they should have done much earlier. Though it is true that having a Canadian education and being fresh out of university here makes it easier to find a job.

Ruining some one's life by bringing them here first, spending several years not getting a job in their exact domain / of equivalent experience is a much bigger problem compared to just not being selected for PR while sitting in home country.

And remember this is coming from some one who didn't have to face this at all luckily. But i am in no illusion about the ground realities around me otherwise.
 
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DHM

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fkl said:
Hi Marcus,

I could shed some light on this being an LMIA based software job holder who was recruited from overseas. I work for a company which regularly hires people from all over the world. We have around 30% people recruited this way.

However, IT IS ONLY tied to very specialized IT experience. e.g. i work in multicore network processors - a specific family whose experience is important in my employer's business. For most other common IT roles, my employer hires locally.

Every thing mentioned about LMIA process by others is true. You have to advertise and prove that No qualified Canadians were available for the role. Plus more recently fee was increased as well as the requirements.

One important thing missed among other posts is that LMIA requirements, needs and processing times vary by province some what. In my case, the province is Quebec (although we have office in Ottawa as well).

Toronto in general is a bad place to look for any kind of job as a prospective / current immigrant. Opportunities in IT might be slightly better but there are scores of existing people on PR status looking for jobs with degrees and experience in IT.

So you must have

a) a special skill in IT which practically wont have issues proving to government that no suitable Canadians are available when it really is the truth
b) that is badly needed by an established employer

in order to consider the LMIA route.

The core of IT industry in Canada is around Vancouver, Ottawa or Kitchener / Waterloo region.

It is worth mentioning that LMIA is the biggest hurdle EVEN when you are in Canada already working - for switching jobs. It is a painful process which very few employers are willing to undergo. So the factor is elevated if you are remote.

Lastly, if you are skilled and have proven experience / expertise in either of Network function virtualization, Open stack or broad-com switch programming, ping me.


UPDATE:

Oh, and to the general audience ranting about EE preferring those with jobs and that being unfair, i don't have time for a long debate - but here is a quick key point.

Canada has more skilled people at the moment compared to jobs. On top of this, Canadian experience outweighs most other elements unless you really have a skill for which there are no Canadians. Reality is that it is easier to get immigration than to get a first decent job in your own profession.

There are too many horror stories - so CIC is attempting to prevent that from happening which i believe they should have done much earlier. Though it is true that having a Canadian education and being fresh out of university here makes it easier to find a job.

Ruining some one's life by bringing them here first, spending several years not getting a job in their exact domain / of equivalent experience is a much bigger problem compared to just not being selected for PR while sitting in home country.

And remember this is coming from some one who didn't have to face this at all luckily. But i am in no illusion about the ground realities around me otherwise.


Great post. +1
 

archjap

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fkl said:
Hi Marcus,

I could shed some light on this being an LMIA based software job holder who was recruited from overseas. I work for a company which regularly hires people from all over the world. We have around 30% people recruited this way.

However, IT IS ONLY tied to very specialized IT experience. e.g. i work in multicore network processors - a specific family whose experience is important in my employer's business. For most other common IT roles, my employer hires locally.

Every thing mentioned about LMIA process by others is true. You have to advertise and prove that No qualified Canadians were available for the role. Plus more recently fee was increased as well as the requirements.

One important thing missed among other posts is that LMIA requirements, needs and processing times vary by province some what. In my case, the province is Quebec (although we have office in Ottawa as well).

Toronto in general is a bad place to look for any kind of job as a prospective / current immigrant. Opportunities in IT might be slightly better but there are scores of existing people on PR status looking for jobs with degrees and experience in IT.

So you must have

a) a special skill in IT which practically wont have issues proving to government that no suitable Canadians are available when it really is the truth
b) that is badly needed by an established employer

in order to consider the LMIA route.

The core of IT industry in Canada is around Vancouver, Ottawa or Kitchener / Waterloo region.

It is worth mentioning that LMIA is the biggest hurdle EVEN when you are in Canada already working - for switching jobs. It is a painful process which very few employers are willing to undergo. So the factor is elevated if you are remote.

Lastly, if you are skilled and have proven experience / expertise in either of Network function virtualization, Open stack or broad-com switch programming, ping me.


UPDATE:

Oh, and to the general audience ranting about EE preferring those with jobs and that being unfair, i don't have time for a long debate - but here is a quick key point.

Canada has more skilled people at the moment compared to jobs. On top of this, Canadian experience outweighs most other elements unless you really have a skill for which there are no Canadians. Reality is that it is easier to get immigration than to get a first decent job in your own profession.

There are too many horror stories - so CIC is attempting to prevent that from happening which i believe they should have done much earlier. Though it is true that having a Canadian education and being fresh out of university here makes it easier to find a job.

Ruining some one's life by bringing them here first, spending several years not getting a job in their exact domain / of equivalent experience is a much bigger problem compared to just not being selected for PR while sitting in home country.

And remember this is coming from some one who didn't have to face this at all luckily. But i am in no illusion about the ground realities around me otherwise.

I agree, I have a job offer however PNP is an easier route than LMIA base on my lawyer. I saw the recruitment effort prepared by the employer. It is a summary of people who applied on the job posting. There are a lots of applicant world wide and lots of canadian experience and canadian graduates. It is a proof of the tight competition. However, the employer is seeking for a specific combination of education, work experience and skills that perfectly fits the company and client's needs. Canada provides very good education no doubt. However, some work experience and skills cannot be acquired in Canada which is available in other countries.
 

MarcusUK

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Thanks all. It might not be what I want to hear but it is all very useful information.

@archjap - You say that you have a job offer but you don't have a LMIA or PNP? So can you tentatively agree work with an employer pending successful visa approval? Can this then be used a case for visa approval? Forgive me I am not familiar with the PNP process.

Also just to answer the questions asked...

I am a UK citizen but I have family and friends in Toronto. I have made many trips over in the last few years. My current UK projects are coming to a close and I am simply looking to relocate due to a desire for a change of lifestyle and different opportunities. I have been in London for 15 years.

And sadly although skilled I am not as specialised as multi core network processing :)
 

katja2684

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Canadiense85 said:
This is another example of Express Entry weakness, it counts on age more than experience, hence they end up overlooking experienced / talented individuals. ::)
They want young people because they can work and pay taxes for longer than middle-aged persons. 8) :eek:
 

Canadiense85

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katja2684 said:
They want young people because they can work and pay taxes for longer than middle-aged persons. 8) :eek:
I'm not "ranting" about EE as I perfectly scored in the age criterion, however I believe someone with 10 years of experience is better off to excel in his/her job than someone with 3 years of experience.

EE system is good but not perfect, it's ok if someone highlighted some flaws in it, take it easy ;)
 

archjap

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MarcusUK said:
Thanks all. It might not be what I want to hear but it is all very useful information.

@ archjap - You say that you have a job offer but you don't have a LMIA or PNP? So can you tentatively agree work with an employer pending successful visa approval? Can this then be used a case for visa approval? Forgive me I am not familiar with the PNP process.

Also just to answer the questions asked...

I am a UK citizen but I have family and friends in Toronto. I have made many trips over in the last few years. My current UK projects are coming to a close and I am simply looking to relocate due to a desire for a change of lifestyle and different opportunities. I have been in London for 15 years.

And sadly although skilled I am not as specialised as multi core network processing :)
Hi. My employer hired a lawyer to process my BC pnp application because we do not need to get a lmia using the BC pnp express entry. I am currently outside Canada so I just signed the job offer and send it via courier and complete other documentation and the lawyer handled it well
 

MarcusUK

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archjap said:
Hi. My employer hired a lawyer to process my BC pnp application because we do not need to get a lmia using the BC pnp express entry. I am currently outside Canada so I just signed the job offer and send it via courier and complete other documentation and the lawyer handled it well
Right so are you moving to Canada via a work transfer from your existing employer?
 

archjap

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MarcusUK said:
Right so are you moving to Canada via a work transfer from your existing employer?
Nope its not a transfer from an existing employer. It's a new job offer outside Canada
 

gir_8

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Nov 23, 2014
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Hello everyone,

Landed on this page while searching for the solution to similar situation I am in.

I noticed this on CIC and thought it would be useful to all. Just search for this - How will the Express Entry system benefit employers in Canada?

It seems there are No LMIA fees for PR applications. Your views on the same would be useful.

Thanks!
 

purplesnow

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there are two lmia's. if the candidate needs a work permit, the fee is $1,000. if the employer is simply applying to support a PR application, there is no fee.
 

sanjj

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I am at 384 under NOC 2173. For the last 2-3 months I am applying through various job portals to Canadian employers but all efforts look waste. I really wonder if anyone has got an offer or LMIA sitting outside Canada. Just trying to explore other means to seek Canadian employment while sitting in India
 

fkl

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sanjj said:
I am at 384 under NOC 2173. For the last 2-3 months I am applying through various job portals to Canadian employers but all efforts look waste. I really wonder if anyone has got an offer or LMIA sitting outside Canada. Just trying to explore other means to seek Canadian employment while sitting in India
Simply being NOC 2173 says very little. LMIA stands for Labor market impact assessment. Part of the process is that employer has to prove to government that they tried and couldn't find a Canadian with the skill set required that is possessed by this candidate.

So just a software engineering background is not something a Canadian employer would want to hire for - from abroad. It makes no sense to waste lots of resources and wait while there are plenty of Canadian graduates with similar qualifications.

However, employers do recruit for specialized skills / experience. It is not as big a deal as one might feel. I work for a company which recruits multicore network processor experienced people (e.g. broadcom, Octeon, ezchip) or the likes with proven experience in SDN, NFV etc. For any of these roles, they have so far brought in around 10-15 people on LMIA based work permits in the last 2-3 years and i am sure this is not an exception.

If you have specialized experience in any of above, please feel free to message me with details.
 

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The reality is under economy situation like this, there is no chance a job (any job) posted for 1 month and nobody interested and applies.

I had my current job being advertised for LMIA purposes, and got 150 resumes replies.
 

fkl

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Again it totally depends. The jobs for which people get LMIA's approved easily and genuinely - just do not have QUALIFIED applicants.

It doesn't matter how many resumes (150) or more are submitted unless they contain the specialized experience they are looking for. It doesn't say that those people aren't capable or worth evaluating. Just that they are not looking for the particular experience.

P.S. I came to Canada on an LMIA based work permit some 2 years ago. I didn't even apply (recruitment team of my employer reached out). There are several people here from different parts of the world. My company's website to this date - on average has around 5-7 job postings - listed throughout the year, in the areas i mentioned earlier.
From the day i first saw openings - to date, i have never seem this count drop to zero. Just that roles keep getting filled and new ones with similar or different profiles open up.

And yes - not all of them (but few are definitely) open to international LMIA based hiring. If some is interested and qualified, here is the link
http://gonorthforge.com/careers/openings/