The CRAZY CBSA officer thinks my wife is married already!!

[k.h.p.]

I would be slightly nervous about CSIS at all figuring in any of my affairs especially after what you told in this thread. But I guess his eligibility is unrelated to CSIS being involved. I guess, as a part of new push for finishing family/spouse sponsorship application backlog, they are parallelizing their workflow. God only knows what else is there.

Anyways, if you can, please look at my thread https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i.../study-permit-for-in-canada-applicant.714635/ .

OP has already mentioned that there may be some connection to his wife's family's bias against Muslims and his CSIS call. CSIS is not being used by IRCC to "finish the family/spouse backlog".

 

[Phalos]

Congrats. Great to hear, looks like that will put the whole issue to rest. Still a puzzle how it all started in the first place.

VO's have been known to "Fish" for information. This could all have been an attempt at provocating an response that reveals some undisclosed facts. This is a DIRTY tactic, but OP remained calm and answered in KIND.

 

[GandiBaat]

CSIS is not being used by IRCC to "finish the family/spouse backlog".

I said I guess. Instead of finishing one stage of application, I guess they are trying to parallelise them. In past I saw some stages were done very sequentially, especially around background verification. That said, workflow of IRCC is just that, a guess for us -- the so called "clients".

BTW, if you can and are okay with it, take a look at my thread : https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i.../study-permit-for-in-canada-applicant.714635/ and see if you have some insight or opinion in my case. Thanks!

 

[GandiBaat]

VO's have been known to "Fish" for information. This could all have been an attempt at provocating an response that reveals some undisclosed facts. This is a DIRTY tactic, but OP remained calm and answered in KIND.

Good lord! Now you mentioned it. I have a related experience.

So, I was in Vancouver sometimes back and I used to travel to USA at times with my work colleagues on official business. Meetings etc. I have B-1/2 visa in USA and we used to go via Peace Arch. So first time when we went, the border protection officer jokingly said, "go but only meeting no work! Don't press a single button on your laptop. No . A. Single. Button". It was quite forceful, but then I knew US immigration is like that. Somewhat brattish and having sense of superiority. That was all done.

We went another time in 8-9 months again. This time we saw something weird. The officer was very jovial, we much entertaining us etc. He said "Alright, so what do you folks work on?". One of us told him, "We work in ICT sector in CANADA." stressing on Canada specifically. He smiled and looked at me and said : "Great, so you guys must know a lot about computers, right?". I told him : "What my job in Canada needs, I know". He then laughed and added : "May be you guys can fix our printer back here. Huh? What do you say.". I smiled and we all shut up completely. He looked at us and told me to take my papers and go in a moment. We left there. We then discussed it among ourselves: That was underhanded. He was pushing our button to make one of offer a little help and then he could hold us for having intention to work in USA. That time I realized, VOs/Border protection folks etc use similar techniques that cops use for questioning.

I wont put it beneath the VOs to actually cook up a cock and bull story to probe the OP a bit. Entire thing might be a co-ordinated effort to put OP in a tough spot so he could be questioned and he or his wife ends up telling some part they had hidden or something.

 

[k.h.p.]

The OP clearly said that his wife's family has issues with Muslims. I would not be surprised to see that someone had put in a call with IRCC and CSIS, and that the mysterious "I lived with him for four years and can't remember his name" ex may have held them out to be married at an interaction with CBSA once upon a time.

There is something that doesn't add up here, but IRCC saying "You're married" and demanding proof is not the normal kind of fishing; fishing happens typically in an interview.

 

[nayr69sg]

Good lord! Now you mentioned it. I have a related experience.

So, I was in Vancouver sometimes back and I used to travel to USA at times with my work colleagues on official business. Meetings etc. I have B-1/2 visa in USA and we used to go via Peace Arch. So first time when we went, the border protection officer jokingly said, "go but only meeting no work! Don't press a single button on your laptop. No . A. Single. Button". It was quite forceful, but then I knew US immigration is like that. Somewhat brattish and having sense of superiority. That was all done.

We went another time in 8-9 months again. This time we saw something weird. The officer was very jovial, we much entertaining us etc. He said "Alright, so what do you folks work on?". One of us told him, "We work in ICT sector in CANADA." stressing on Canada specifically. He smiled and looked at me and said : "Great, so you guys must know a lot about computers, right?". I told him : "What my job in Canada needs, I know". He then laughed and added : "May be you guys can fix our printer back here. Huh? What do you say.". I smiled and we all shut up completely. He looked at us and told me to take my papers and go in a moment. We left there. We then discussed it among ourselves: That was underhanded. He was pushing our button to make one of offer a little help and then he could hold us for having intention to work in USA. That time I realized, VOs/Border protection folks etc use similar techniques that cops use for questioning.

I wont put it beneath the VOs to actually cook up a cock and bull story to probe the OP a bit. Entire thing might be a co-ordinated effort to put OP in a tough spot so he could be questioned and he or his wife ends up telling some part they had hidden or something.

Entrapment.

 

[nayr69sg]

The OP clearly said that his wife's family has issues with Muslims. I would not be surprised to see that someone had put in a call with IRCC and CSIS, and that the mysterious "I lived with him for four years and can't remember his name" ex may have held them out to be married at an interaction with CBSA once upon a time.

There is something that doesn't add up here, but IRCC saying "You're married" and demanding proof is not the normal kind of fishing; fishing happens typically in an interview.

I get the impression the OP is muslim himself?

 

[nayr69sg]

We are Muslim. I am not sure if that has anything to do with it.
My wifes father thinks her uncle might have done something and tipped them off. Her uncle HATES Muslims and they do not talk.

Update for today we got in contact with a lawyer who will interview us and see our options, he suggested that we also get a document from the Korean Embassy that says that my wife is not married and there is no record of marriage, to which we did contact them and they passed us around a little but the end result is they do not provide such documentation and that its up for Foreigners (anyone but Koreans) to register their marriage abroad and the Korean government does not keep a record of a non-national. Since she has no residence there there is nothing to show for her information and only if she was a Korean national they would be able to help with such documentation.

With that being said...what do you guys think... What should we do here. If theres no legal way for them to tangibly prove that my wife is married in another country how can they threaten to deny our application? Is this something you can appeal?? 2 lawyers told us yes. This lawyer said "inland applicants can't appeal". However when I checked online (I do not understand legal terms well) it appeared that inland applicants can't appeal UNLESS its a spousal application? Can anyone let me know the 100% correct information regarding this.

Yup. I was right.

 

[k.h.p.]

I get the impression the OP is muslim himself?

yes that's what he said precisely and why CSIS would pull them in. There's a lot more going on in this happy couple's story than the other "Oh hey one time a border officer said something weird to me" little adventures we're going down, and I believe that OP may have more in their life, as they mentioned "being jailed" for home country finding out he tried to get PR. Like a refugee claim, maybe.

 

[Phalos]

"I lived with him for four years and can't remember his name" ex may have held them out to be married at an interaction with CBSA once upon a time.

Applicant has VERY severe case of PTSD, mere uttering the "name" makes them bonkers.
Do NOT mention "his name" near this poor person.

By the way, AMNESIA be used for IRCC excuse as in I dont remember the last 40 years of my life so I can't fill out any of your stupid Schedules and/or be Interviewed.
Automatic PPR.

 

[nayr69sg]

yes that's what he said precisely and why CBSA would pull them in. There's a lot more going on in this happy couple's story than the other "Oh hey one time a border officer said something weird to me" little adventures we're going down, and I believe that OP may have more in their life, as they mentioned "being jailed" for home country finding out he tried to get PR. Like a refugee claim, maybe.

CSIS. Not CBSA.

 

[k.h.p.]

CSIS. Not CBSA.

my goodness the level of navel gazing in this thread. CSIS yes. of course. whatever.

 

[nayr69sg]

my goodness the level of navel gazing in this thread. CSIS yes. of course. whatever.

CSIS and CBSA are different.


https://gcmsnotes.com/all-about-security-screening/


Seems to me CSIS is the one that gathers more information and intelligence than CBSA.

 

[k.h.p.]

I know that. I mis-typed.

 

[nayr69sg]

I know that. I mis-typed.

Oh. Sorry. I didnt read that as a mistype. It seemed like you were saying they are the same. Especially the "Whatever".