The Canadian Experience Class: Why Applications Get Refused

[bennymathew]

Can we say once you receive AOR, most likely your application will not be refused !!!

 

[maniac2403]

Can we say once you receive AOR, most likely your application will not be refused !!!

Only thing that can be said for certain is once you get the AOR, your application will be processed and not returned.

 

[bennymathew]

what you mean .....not returned . could you explain. do you mean even if its being rejected, the documents will not be returned!

 

[pfse]

what you mean .....not returned . could you explain. do you mean even if its being rejected, the documents will not be returned!

The documents won't be returned as well, as your payment. I read somewhere that the CEC pass rate in 2013 was around 65% (not sure about this year).

 

[Jalex23]

Can we say once you receive AOR, most likely your application will not be refused !!!

No. You can say that most of the reasons for an application being refused are mistakes from the applicants in submitted documentation.

If you don't recieve an AOR the application can't be refused, it is returned. There is a difference. When it is refused it goes to your record, when it is returned no record of it exists.

 

[bennymathew]

its so sad....hence to reapply we need to get the police clearance etc ...original again....its crazy....

 

[mf4361]

AOR means CIC have received all the required documents (nothing is missing). After that, it's up to VO to verify documents and check the applicant's eligibility and documents are all genuine. So I would imagine most rejection happens here. But as already stated, rejection can happen anytime. They can even revoke PR after landed if they find out PR is obtained by fraudulent means.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/3-100-citizenships-ordered-revoked-for-immigration-fraud-1.1152606

 

[yixiaop26]

Just my opinion, as I know a case get rejected because the pay was not in the reasonable range. So vise versa.,. i guess

a case you know is your friends or people you know, or just search google result ?

 

[yixiaop26]

VOs responsibilities are to filter and choose the candidates that are deserving to be given the PR status. Wrong selections mean burden to the economy & tax dollars, higher criminal rates, and many other negative factors. Since their decisions are not that easy, when PR candidates provided incomplete documents as well as unmatching NOC codes, it might be much safer to fail them than giving them the pass. Not to mention, they also have deadlines, crazy amount of administration work, etc. I don't think their jobs are easy at all.

That's why if we want smooth application, it is our own responsibility to make their job easier. Win-win situation...

I am not sure this, if they really serious with certain very similar NOC code, they should be give right title in work permit too, but as my experience,my work permit title is totally a mess. I also find other pp meet same situation.

 

[yixiaop26]

^ I agree. There are cases that I've read where the VO is questioning the salary and if the T4/NOA and the Certificate of employment have discrepancies. Also, the VO checks if the salary is commensurate with the experience and position.

sound reasonable, after all , in one way it belong to economic immigration, they do need care about salary .

 

[yixiaop26]

what you mean .....not returned . could you explain. do you mean even if its being rejected, the documents will not be returned!

the doc won't return by default , the reason they give is in case any law suite happened in future.

but it doesn't mean it can't be returned. you can ask for it by some ways .

 

[yixiaop26]

The documents won't be returned as well, as your payment. I read somewhere that the CEC pass rate in 2013 was around 65% (not sure about this year).

I am guessing , maybe one thing can explain the low passrate :

it is the decision right and some rules explanation right always reserved in VO side .

so nothing is fixed.

e.g if you become an PR and then quickly your unemployed chance is huge. I am sure they will be pick by all they way they can . that's just my opinion.

 

[mf4361]

Just my opinion, as I know a case get rejected because the pay was not in the reasonable range. So vise versa.,. i guess

I disagree. VO checks eligibility of applicants within the confines of Canada immigration laws and program requirements.

CEC is a pass/fail system. You either meet all requirements, pass and get PR, or you don't and get rejection. It's not a selection process where the best applicants gets PR. One applicants profile should not affect other applicants' chance of PR (apart from where they are in the queue)

Pay requirements are stated as part of eligibility so unreasonably low pay is a valid ground for rejection. (I believe this is done so to protect domestic workers and prevent frauds)

As long as pay is above the minimum reasonable range, CIC shall see applicants the same regardless of their pay. One earns $200/hr shouldn't be flavored over another applicant earns just over the reasonable limit in such regard.

Although as EE starts in 2015, they CAN and they WILL flavor people with better pay and better/more stable job, as they are more likely to benefit the Canadian economy. EE is a selection process so CIC is entitled to that.

 

[greekhero]

a case you know is your friends or people you know, or just search google result ?

Googled, it really dosen't matter, if you can earn more than 80,000+ I guess they don't care about the NOC at all. Money talks....

Let's say the worst case senario, if you get rejected due to the title thing. You can always apply the express entry starting Januray 1st 2015. They don't require NOC in Express entry, candidates in the pool will be ranked according to education, IELTS, (annual income I guess), bascially the matrix that can indicate if you can be sucessful in Canada. So annual income got be one of the indicate. So don't worry too much man, you will be fine one way or another if you have a good job here. 8)

 

[greekhero]

I disagree. VO checks eligibility of applicants within the confines of Canada immigration laws and program requirements.

CEC is a pass/fail system. You either meet all requirements, pass and get PR, or you don't and get rejection. It's not a selection process where the best applicants gets PR. One applicants profile should not affect other applicants' chance of PR (apart from where they are in the queue)

Pay requirements are stated as part of eligibility so unreasonably low pay is a valid ground for rejection. (I believe this is done so to protect domestic workers and prevent frauds)

As long as pay is above the minimum reasonable range, CIC shall see applicants the same regardless of their pay. One earns $200/hr shouldn't be flavored over another applicant earns just over the reasonable limit in such regard.

Although as EE starts in 2015, they CAN and they WILL flavor people with better pay and better/more stable job, as they are more likely to benefit the Canadian economy. EE is a selection process so CIC is entitled to that.

Hum... make sense, so I would suggest apply in both stream if you want have a double secure.