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torontob

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Thanks for the reply, I believe our case is in Canada (that's what agents told me on the phone) as my wife is a temporary resident in Vancouver, Canada and I'm a resident in Seattle, WA.
Just to clarify, I did order CBSA notes before and that's how I got to know my wife was going through Comprehensive background check. What I am still not clear is how long this normally takes (I'm seeing a big range from 3 months to 2 years), but I guess it depends on case by case.
I will go ahead and order CSIS notes and see where we are at!
On a side note, since of this delay, we are planning to be relocated by my company to Toronto and obtain a Canadian work permit (for both), while waiting for the PR to finish. Do you see any issues with that?
Your case delay will be same as any other Iranian delay. As much as CIC would like to say each case is unique it is not. That is a bunch of crap to BS about their state of disorganization. Few discremnatoey checks are run and CBSA/CSIS come back with No Results (or something like that). Honestly, from statistics I see on this forum a lot of people are dealt with within days of 1, 3, 6, or 12 months. Which means, someone is dealing with the DAY'S files and doesn't care to go faster. Anyhow, the reason for few months is because some case don't go to CSIS which means 3 months saved already. Cases that go to CSIS and are about 3 months with CBSA and 3 months with CSIS and whoever else CBSA shares with so that is a total of 6 months. This is not defined rules but 2019 statistics I have deducted from this forum.

On this forum you will find Excel sheets or you can compile your own list of people who reported their cases (Iranians because that is your bottleneck) and see how long it took them.

PR for a Persian friend of mine took 1.5 - 2 years overall. There was whole news on this and people were featured but the Persian MPs and the lone MPP are useless with this issue and there is no political will to fix this.

On a better note, your movement within Canada has nothing to do with immigration. Just update your address. Even that is not a biggy until they mail your card (or does it get picked up at an office now a days???).

You won't get your PR in 3 months for sure but security portion may finish in 3 months. Yeah, big range - but CIC is not sorry. Beauracracy at it's best.

If your spouse is a temporary resident of Canada still, and you are a resident of US, your applications should not be joined together. At least she is not allowed to sponsor you under a spousal case. And if your cases are not joined, are you talking about your wife's case only?
 

legalfalcon

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Hi everyone,

I applied through the PNP program by mail, INLAND. Despite the fact that the first post of the topic says that the security check for the PNP program starts at the beginning of the process - my security check began at the end - on the 11 month from the date of submission.

Could you tell me how long now (2018-2019) this checking takes? What factors can affect it? I heard that the number of countries I visited is very influential. I've been in almost all countries of the European Union, somewhere I studied English, somewhere I just traveled. Will CSIS check each of these countries, or will they request only one check from the Schengen area?
When the first post was written, that was the processing trend. Now that is no longer true and the security starts only after eligibility is passed. The security screening process is not disclosed. Only the Operational Manual is available which only lists the criterion and the procedure. Travel history, number of countries visits, country of citizenship / residence are only some of the many factors that are taken into consideration.

There is no one factors which is more or less influential and an applicant cannot do much if the security is taking too long.

All you can do is wait and if excessive time has lapsed without you receiving a decision on your application, you can consider filing a case and requesting that the federal court issue a writ of mandamus (judicial writ issued as a command to an inferior court or ordering a person or agency to perform a public or statutory duty).
 

canadacalling777

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Abuja, Nigeria
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NOC Code......
6421
App. Filed.......
05-11-2018
I am happy you took the way out and corrected yourself. You did not mention that ALL applications go to CBSA and CSIS and that is a good thing. I am also assured now that you understand the process and hopefully your wisdom and knowledge continues to help people who seek accurate information here.

Yes, "security" is a general term and CIC officer can reject an application at his own "security" step because for example the applicant said they were part of a terrorist group. So, yes first step is "security" check by CIC officer. IF the officer is not convinced the applicant is 100% clean then he MAY send to CBSA who MAY send to CSIS if they see fit. That is the process now as it happens now. CBSA also has other partners including RCMP who has few posts around the world who. They also get involved at times or help in the background. They are the very practical eye and ears on the ground and I am thinking they do more of local work when needed. They do get involved with immigration cases but also get involved in other espionage and 007 style work (OK not exactly; they use contractors mostly).
You have a serious problem in assuming things. May be you watch too many movies.

They do get involved with immigration cases
Isn't the jurisdiction of RCMP only in Canada at the federal level?

When you land at any airport or cross any border port, it is CBSA officers who determine whether you are admissible into Canada or not. They also make decisions on processing refugee cases, detaining people, enforcing removal orders and also have powers of search an seizure. When I landed at Pearson, even my work permit was issued by a CBSA officer upon landing. I remember legalfalcon explaining this on the forum and he cited the provisions of the IRPA and CBSA Act and also some cases from the Federal Court.

But you seem to be too obsessed with 007 style work. :p:p Isn't that done by CSIS, which is the security intelligence services, and some examples have been listed in the very first post.

Where do you come up with this info that you post here, do you just make it up? :D:p:D No reference to any laws, or is your knowledge from WhatsApp University and Google School? :p:p:p:p

This is what @legalfalcon explained in a post on this forum. Under IRPA, the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness can delegate responsibilities from the Immigration Act, which has been done and is listed here. See https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/agency-agence/actreg-loireg/delegation/irpa-lipr-2016-07-eng.html

What you are doing is very incorrect and dangerous. :mad:

But who the hell cares, anyone can write anything. Just like people claim that is Trudeau loses, immigration to Canada will stop. :D:D:D

I pity the people who rely on your info.:cool::cool:

Have fun!
 
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torontob

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You have a serious problem in assuming things. May be you watch too many movies.
Are you a second username for LegalFalcon? his partner? friend? or family? Maybe forum webmasters can trace your IPs and match. I say so because you are just an exact match in changing subjects.

Isn't the jurisdiction of RCMP only in Canada at the federal level?
No, you are incorrect. RCMP has liaison offices in many countries and they have a really long arm in many things including work with CBSA, CSIS and CIC. Come back with another username and try again but remember you can't lie your way through things. This forum is a free resource and would soon have competition if it doesn't remain truthful.

I will bust your unsolicited defense post with one URL:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/liaison-officers-and-analysts

Liaison officers around the world
Amman, Jordan
Ankara, Turkey
Bangkok, Thailand
Berlin, Germany
Bogota, Colombia
Canberra, Australia
China: Beijing, Hong Kong
Colombo, Sri Lanka
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
Islamabad, Pakistan
Jakarta, Indonesia
Kingston, Jamaica
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
London, England
Mexico, Mexico
Nairobi, Kenya
New Delhi, India
Panama, Panama
Paris, France
Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago
Pretoria, South Africa
Rabat, Morocco
Rome, Italy
Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
USA: Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Washington, D.C.
The Hague, Netherlands
 

nazgul86

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Your case delay will be same as any other Iranian delay. As much as CIC would like to say each case is unique it is not. That is a bunch of crap to BS about their state of disorganization. Few discremnatoey checks are run and CBSA/CSIS come back with No Results (or something like that). Honestly, from statistics I see on this forum a lot of people are dealt with within days of 1, 3, 6, or 12 months. Which means, someone is dealing with the DAY'S files and doesn't care to go faster. Anyhow, the reason for few months is because some case don't go to CSIS which means 3 months saved already. Cases that go to CSIS and are about 3 months with CBSA and 3 months with CSIS and whoever else CBSA shares with so that is a total of 6 months. This is not defined rules but 2019 statistics I have deducted from this forum.

On this forum you will find Excel sheets or you can compile your own list of people who reported their cases (Iranians because that is your bottleneck) and see how long it took them.

PR for a Persian friend of mine took 1.5 - 2 years overall. There was whole news on this and people were featured but the Persian MPs and the lone MPP are useless with this issue and there is no political will to fix this.

On a better note, your movement within Canada has nothing to do with immigration. Just update your address. Even that is not a biggy until they mail your card (or does it get picked up at an office now a days???).

You won't get your PR in 3 months for sure but security portion may finish in 3 months. Yeah, big range - but CIC is not sorry. Beauracracy at it's best.

If your spouse is a temporary resident of Canada still, and you are a resident of US, your applications should not be joined together. At least she is not allowed to sponsor you under a spousal case. And if your cases are not joined, are you talking about your wife's case only?
Thanks for the explanations, I may just clarify my situation: I applied with my wife (2nd applicant) to the EE FSW and have an AOR of February 4 2019. Now since the 6 months have passed, I ordered CBSA notes and learned that everything was passed (Eligibility, Criminality, Medical) but Security was pending and that my wife was having a Comprehensive background check.
I'm a US resident, currently working in US, while she is on a student visa based in Canada. Since the PR has been delayed due to this comprehensive check, we want to move to Canada faster with a work permit visa through my employer. I was just wondering if there would be any delays due to the fact that we already have a pending PR in process and we would be filing for an additional work permit at the same time, but that ideally would be approved faster since I believe there would be no comprehensive background check in this case. Processing times of work permits range 3-8 weeks for US or Canada based applicants (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/check-processing-times.html)
 

artificial.nocturne

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can someone effin tell me how long my file is going to take? i had been under Comprehensive SS and as per last correspondence with LVO they said my file is awaiting review by immigration officer..is my security screening bloody done or not its already been more than 6 months ffs.
 

legalfalcon

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Sep 21, 2015
19,048
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Montréal, Quebec, Canada
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FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Thanks for the explanations, I may just clarify my situation: I applied with my wife (2nd applicant) to the EE FSW and have an AOR of February 4 2019. Now since the 6 months have passed, I ordered CBSA notes and learned that everything was passed (Eligibility, Criminality, Medical) but Security was pending and that my wife was having a Comprehensive background check.
I'm a US resident, currently working in US, while she is on a student visa based in Canada. Since the PR has been delayed due to this comprehensive check, we want to move to Canada faster with a work permit visa through my employer. I was just wondering if there would be any delays due to the fact that we already have a pending PR in process and we would be filing for an additional work permit at the same time, but that ideally would be approved faster since I believe there would be no comprehensive background check in this case. Processing times of work permits range 3-8 weeks for US or Canada based applicants (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/check-processing-times.html)
You can apply for any visa while your PR application is in progress and security is taking long. Sine the WP applications have a quick turn around and the WP, does not give the same status as that of what a PR does, the decisions are much faster. Even though the operation manual states that screening the following
  • citizenship
  • permanent residence
  • refugee status from outside Canada
  • a visitor visa
  • an eTA
  • a study permit
  • a work permit
  • a temporary residence permit
is done, but for TRVs, including he WP, the turn around is much faster, given that an applicant meets the WP eligibility criteria. Also, after you move to Canada on a WP, you will have to update your address in your application. A lot of applicants take this route to move to Canada while their PR application is still in progress.
 

canadacalling777

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Abuja, Nigeria
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Visa Office......
Nigeria
NOC Code......
6421
App. Filed.......
05-11-2018
Are you a second username for LegalFalcon? his partner? friend? or family? Maybe forum webmasters can trace your IPs and match. I say so because you are just an exact match in changing subjects.


No, you are incorrect. RCMP has liaison offices in many countries and they have a really long arm in many things including work with CBSA, CSIS and CIC. Come back with another username and try again but remember you can't lie your way through things. This forum is a free resource and would soon have competition if it doesn't remain truthful.

I will bust your unsolicited defense post with one URL:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/liaison-officers-and-analysts

USA: Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Washington, D.C.
The Hague, Netherlands
Oh! Who said RCMP had no liaison offices. Did I even mention that. You are an expert at cooking up stories from IP address to what people say. Does having Liaison Offices make RCMP an intelligence agency doing "007" work?

I will burst your misinformation campaign right here:

Go read this -

CSIS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Security_Intelligence_Service>

And yes, the CSIS information is classified, except which is available on open source platforms. They will not be releasing from where they work or where their offices are located with precise information.

CSIS is neither a police agency nor is it a part of the military. As an intelligence agency, the primary role of CSIS is not law enforcement. Investigation of criminal activity is left to the RCMP and local (provincial, regional or municipal) police agencies. CSIS, like counterparts such as the United Kingdom Security Service (MI5) and the United States Central Intelligence Agency(CIA), is a civilian agency. CSIS is subject to review by the Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC) as well as other legislative checks and balances. The agency carries out its functions in accordance with the CSIS Act, which governs and defines its powers and activities.

Canadian police, military agencies (see Canadian Forces Intelligence Branch), and numerous other government departments may maintain their own "intelligence" components (i.e. to analyze criminal intelligence or military strategic intelligence). The Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade maintains a Security and Intelligence Bureau to review and analyze overtly acquired information. The bureau plays a coordinating and policy role. While not an intelligence agency, it is responsible for the security of Department of Foreign Affairs personnel around the world. However, these agencies are not to be confused with the more encompassing work of larger, more dedicated "intelligence agencies" such as CSIS, MI5, MI6, or the CIA.

As Canada's contributor of human intelligence to the Five Eyes, CSIS works closely with the intelligence agencies of the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand. Under the post–World War II Quadripartite (UKUSA) Agreement, intelligence information is shared between the intelligence agencies of these five countries.

Permission to put a subject under surveillance is granted by the Target Approval and Review Committee.

Security Liaison Officers (SLOs) of CSIS are posted at Canadian embassies and consulates to gather security-related intelligence from other nations. This information may be gathered from other national intelligence agencies, law enforcement services and other sources. SLOs also assess potential immigrants to Canada for security issues.

RCMP - Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act

Mandate of RCMP

18 It is the duty of members who are peace officers, subject to the orders of the Commissioner,

  • (a) to perform all duties that are assigned to peace officers in relation to the preservation of the peace, the prevention of crime and of offences against the laws of Canada and the laws in force in any province in which they may be employed, and the apprehension of criminals and offenders and others who may be lawfully taken into custody;

  • (b) to execute all warrants, and perform all duties and services in relation thereto, that may, under this Act or the laws of Canada or the laws in force in any province, be lawfully executed and performed by peace officers;

  • (c) to perform all duties that may be lawfully performed by peace officers in relation to the escort and conveyance of convicts and other persons in custody to or from any courts, places of punishment or confinement, asylums or other places; and

  • (d) to perform such other duties and functions as are prescribed by the Governor in Council or the Commissioner.
RCMP only has authority to investigate, prevent, and prosecute crime; do law enforcement for federal statutes and in federal jurisdictions. Now unless you have your own parliament, and make your own rules, nothing much can be done.

Once again you go to Google, pick up a link and post it and make up your own interpretation without even reading it yourself. You deduct your own statistics from the forum, your own rules, :p:p:p:p:p:p:):):D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D you live in a bubble of your own.

This is an open forum and anyone can post anything, without accountability, go for it.
:p:p:p:p:p
 
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canadacalling777

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6421
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05-11-2018
can someone effin tell me how long my file is going to take? i had been under Comprehensive SS and as per last correspondence with LVO they said my file is awaiting review by immigration officer..is my security screening bloody done or not its already been more than 6 months ffs.
It is a long wait. See my signature. Applied last year, eligibility cleared as per GCMS notes obtained in December 2018. I am still waiting. I requested CBSA and CSIS notes and only got a bunch of dates. Nothing else.

I also sent email to Ralph Goodale office and got the same info atet Criminality, eligibility Cleared and security in progress. Sent many emails to IRCC, webform and keep getting a generic reply. It is frustrating. If I do not get a decision another month, I have read I can file a case for Mandamus, and I am seriously thinking about it. @legalfalcon has also mentioned this in some of his responses.
<https://www.migrationlaw.com/immigration-taking-their-time-consider-an-application-for-mandamus/>
 
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artificial.nocturne

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It is a long wait. See my signature. Applied last year, eligibility cleared as per GCMS notes obtained in December 2018. I am still waiting. I requested CBSA and CSIS notes and only got a bunch of dates. Nothing else.

I also sent email to Ralph Goodale office and got the same info atet Criminality, eligibility Cleared and security in progress. Sent many emails to IRCC, webform and keep getting a generic reply. It is frustrating. If I do not get a decision another month, I have read I can file a case for Mandamus, and I am seriously thinking about it. @legalfalcon has also mentioned this in some of his responses.
<https://www.migrationlaw.com/immigration-taking-their-time-consider-an-application-for-mandamus/>
I am also considering hiring a lawyer or consultant but many people are telling me its useless... perhaps we can exchange digits and discuss this issue further? I mean do u have any lawyer or consultant recommendations who can help in this matter? May i know where you are from? And whats ur visa office? how many months shud one be in security to qualify to file a case for mandamus? Honestly it is so frustrating and everyone refuses to help in this matter, its like if u end up in comprehensive SS it is something impossible and we have nothing left but to wait wait and bloody wait.. all consultants are BS and useless in this regard... i think if they cannot help people stuck SS then i think they are just useless because SS is the worst shit anyone can go through and yet no one has any answers or provide any assistance so effin useless all of them.

I also applied last year like u but in sept 2018... my eligibility and criminality is passed but of course med is expired now coz bloody 1 year has passed...now waiting for remed
 

canadacalling777

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Abuja, Nigeria
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PNP
Visa Office......
Nigeria
NOC Code......
6421
App. Filed.......
05-11-2018
I am also considering hiring a lawyer or consultant but many people are telling me its useless... perhaps we can exchange digits and discuss this issue further? I mean do u have any lawyer or consultant recommendations who can help in this matter? May i know where you are from? And whats ur visa office? how many months shud one be in security to qualify to file a case for mandamus? Honestly it is so frustrating and everyone refuses to help in this matter, its like if u end up in comprehensive SS it is something impossible and we have nothing left but to wait wait and bloody wait.. all consultants are BS and useless in this regard... i think if they cannot help people stuck SS then i think they are just useless because SS is the worst shit anyone can go through and yet no one has any answers or provide any assistance so effin useless all of them.
I am from Abuja, Nigeria but have been in the US on H1B. My timeline is in my signature. Since I am in the US I thought that my VO will be Ottawa, but its LVO Abuja and secondary CPC Ottawa. I have not yet engaged a lawyer, but I spoke to LegalFalcon thorugh his FB page. He advised that anything less than 1.5-2 years is not considered too long and filing a mandamus case before this will be a waste of time and money. Most applicants have their security cleared within this time. A consultant cannot represent you before the federal court, only a lawyer can. I had a consultant when I started my application, but kicked him out after 3 months, he was good for nothing.

I have also seen that all applications vary. In the Nigerian form many people have their security screening cleared within 1 year. Some do wait longer, but they also got additional document request. PM me and we can exchange numbers and talk.
 
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@legalfalcon need you help.

My friend who was stuck in security just received a second medical request. He medicals were expired. Does this mean that the security screening is done and her application will be approved?

Please answer.
 

legalfalcon

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NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
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Doc's Request.
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AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
@legalfalcon need you help.

My friend who was stuck in security just received a second medical request. He medicals were expired. Does this mean that the security screening is done and her application will be approved?

Please answer.
Receiving a second medical request is definitely a good sign. In most cases, IRCC will send a second med request when it has received the security screening report from CBSA and the final review is being done before making a decision on the application. For most applicants, they receive the approval within a few weeks of submitting the second medical report.

Keep your fingers crossed.
 

torontob

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Oh! Who said RCMP had no liaison offices. Did I even mention that. You are an expert at cooking up stories from IP address to what people say. Does having Liaison Offices make RCMP an intelligence agency doing "007" work?

I will burst your misinformation campaign right here:
I think you do not know the difference between bust and burst. Dictionary please.

Anyhow, RCMP has hands in many things and won't publish that on Wikipedia. One should assume no security agency should. They are overseas for a reason and immigration is one of them. If they were only dealing with intra-Canadian issues then they won't need liaison offices overseas. The wrong perception people have is that RCMP is like Toronto Police. It is not.
 

torontob

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Thanks for the explanations, I may just clarify my situation: I applied with my wife (2nd applicant) to the EE FSW and have an AOR of February 4 2019. Now since the 6 months have passed, I ordered CBSA notes and learned that everything was passed (Eligibility, Criminality, Medical) but Security was pending and that my wife was having a Comprehensive background check.
I'm a US resident, currently working in US, while she is on a student visa based in Canada. Since the PR has been delayed due to this comprehensive check, we want to move to Canada faster with a work permit visa through my employer. I was just wondering if there would be any delays due to the fact that we already have a pending PR in process and we would be filing for an additional work permit at the same time, but that ideally would be approved faster since I believe there would be no comprehensive background check in this case. Processing times of work permits range 3-8 weeks for US or Canada based applicants (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/check-processing-times.html)
Yes, work permits are dealt with different procedures and are faster and should not have an impact on your PR application or vice versa.

Keep your application always separate. But anyways how would you know that Iranian's have a disadvantage. It's not like CIC is very organized and they tell people. In fact, they are the opposite and they are disorganized. I understand it's very important for everyone to know the time frame or at least some sort of time frame. Best you can do is search "iran", "iranian", etc...on this forum (not this thread only) and you will see others reporting their timelines. Your case will fall within the same time lines as others.

Good luck!