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Taking a vacation outside Canada after applying

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Nov 16, 2014
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Hello,
So I will be eligible to apply in about 2 months - March 2015
And I have already scheduled a vacation in May 2015 for a month to my country of origin.
So my question is:
Should I mention this in my application itself as we are required to inform CIC if we go outside Canada for more than 2 weeks?
-or-
Should I wait for my file number to arrive before informing them? I am not too sure if they provide the file number or AOR so soon

Anything else besides this that I should be mindful of?

Please advise experts

Thanks
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dpenabill

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plus said:
Hello,
So I will be eligible to apply in about 2 months - March 2015
And I have already scheduled a vacation in May 2015 for a month to my country of origin.
So my question is:
Should I mention this in my application itself as we are required to inform CIC if we go outside Canada for more than 2 weeks?
-or-
Should I wait for my file number to arrive before informing them? I am not too sure if they provide the file number or AOR so soon

Anything else besides this that I should be mindful of?

Please advise experts

Thanks
Plus
Applicants can travel abroad while the application is pending. There is no restriction of this sort.

Technically the instructions say to notify CIC if you travel abroad for two weeks or more. This is largely to avoid problems with scheduling events, particularly the test/interview, especially since CIC often gives very short notice.

Practically, it is very unlikely anything will happen in processing the application that soon; most likely if you return in June you will have missed nothing.

Potential exceptions:
-- application returned for incompleteness. To avoid this be especially careful completing the application
-- fingerprint requests; I do not know how soon after applying a request for fingerprints might happen; my sense is risk of this happening in this timeframe is low; if you have someone checking your mail while you are gone, and the request arrives while you are gone, knowing this you should still have time to act quickly upon returning to Canada and timely submit the response (in this regard, it is crucial to timely submit responses to requests. CIC appears to assume the failure to timely submit a response indicates a residency issue)
 

ERJOPA

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However, when it comes to presenting your passport to the CIC officer in the interview, will the extra stamps in the passport (because of the vacation) be a "red flag" for the officer to ask for more documentation (or worse)?
 

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ERJOPA said:
However, when it comes to presenting your passport to the CIC officer in the interview, will the extra stamps in the passport (because of the vacation) be a "red flag" for the officer to ask for more documentation (or worse)?
No red flag or anything.
I applied june 16
flew overseas July 13
Came back aug 31
Received AOR sept 10
The agent did not ask any question about this trip and I did not notify cic, but as Dpenabill said make sure someone would check your mail in case they return your application.
 

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ERJOPA said:
However, when it comes to presenting your passport to the CIC officer in the interview, will the extra stamps in the passport (because of the vacation) be a "red flag" for the officer to ask for more documentation (or worse)?
Officers only go through the 4 year period relevant to application.
 

dpenabill

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ERJOPA said:
However, when it comes to presenting your passport to the CIC officer in the interview, will the extra stamps in the passport (because of the vacation) be a "red flag" for the officer to ask for more documentation (or worse)?
Ordinary or typical holiday or brief business trip travel is the norm, and stamps reflecting such travel should not arouse any concerns at all.

Sure, if an applicant is abroad for an extended period of time and there are stamps indicating this and indicating a return to Canada just in time to appear for the test and interview, that is something the interviewer might notice and which in turn might raise a flag. CIC tends to get suspicious if an applicant appears to have, as one Federal Court justice put it, "applied-on-the-way-to-the-airport" (or otherwise appears to potentially be an individual seeking a passport of convenience).

But things which indicate ordinary, typical, normal patterns of travel for an immigrant will not raise suspicions.

In contrast, there is another recent post (different thread), in which someone indicated they were a U.S. citizen and did not leave Canada even once for three years. Depending on where this individual has been living in Canada, that might raise a red flag, as in really, that close to home, to friends and family and former acquaintances, not to mention shopping in the U.S., and not a single trip to the U.S.?

CIC not only reacts to anomalies and incongruities, something that does not fit, CIC looks for these things. They do not necessarily cause CIC to overtly doubt or question the applicant's case, but they will often invite CIC to take a closer look.



I left out a key observation relative to the OP's query:

plus said:
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Should I wait for my file number to arrive before informing them? I am not too sure if they provide the file number or AOR so soon
Unless it is something urgent or time-imperative, wait to send any further information, documentation, or notice to CIC until after the application is in process. Bureaucracies work best when everything is according to the routine, all the parts and actions are in order, well connected, on track so to say. Attempts to supplement, modify, or otherwise contact CIC regarding an application CIC has not yet opened and created an in process file for, risk tipping things off the track.



Juney said:
Officers only go through the 4 year period relevant to application.
This appears to be usually true, as is indicated by the majority of anecdotal reports from those who have attended an interview.

But it is not always true, and in particular it is only true relative to verifying the declarations of travel in the residency calculation.

The citizenship officer might at least glance at information in a passport entered after the date of applying, and actually it is very likely the interviewer at least briefly examines such information. The interviewer will not be interested (ordinarily) in post-application stamps unless there is an anomaly, incongruity, or otherwise an indication of an extended absence reflecting residing or working abroad.

In particular, to the extent we have known actual CIC practices in the past (CIC no longer shares this information publicly), interviewers specifically looked for stamps indicating a return to Canada just in time to take the test or attend the interview (for example, a stamp indicating recent return to Canada before the test was an explicit reason to question residency, as enumerated in the operational manual CP 5 since 2005 and applicable until at least April 2012). There are many indications CIC citizenship interviewers often, if not usually, continue to at least glance through post-application pages of passports looking for indications of extended absences (reflecting residing or working abroad) or indications of having obtained status to live or work in another country.

My personal experience was that the interviewer clearly examined my passport looking for post-application information, since I had obtained a new passport after applying and the interviewer glanced at every page in that new passport. (Interviewer also took a copy of all those pages.)

Nonetheless, even extensive travel abroad after applying should raise no flags, be of minimal interest to the citizenship interviewer. Thus, for example, stamps reflecting ordinary holiday travel after applying should garner little or no more attention than the interviewer flipping through the pages of the passport.
 

Wolverine

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I went on numerous vacations after applying for citizenship and everything was fine. You're not doing anything wrong as long as you're maintaining residency requirements, so don't worry and enjoy your holidays.
 

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Thanks everyone who took the time to explain things.
I like the idea of having a friend keep an eye on the mailbox.
However, would you guys suggest that I inform CIC about my vacation plans with my application itself or wait to receive my AOR before letting them know. The thing is I cannot predict if I will receive an AOR before I head out for my vacation - which is about 2.5 months after application to CIC.

Thanks
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Wolverine said:
I went on numerous vacations after applying for citizenship and everything was fine. You're not doing anything wrong as long as you're maintaining residency requirements, so don't worry and enjoy your holidays.
 

arambi

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You apply in March 2015... then go to vacations on May 2015 for 1 month... that takes us to June 2015 at latest... this is 4 months.... you PROBABLY won't have a test invite in 4 months ... let's alone get invited and miss the test...

If I were you, I would not worry... AOR doesn't mean much... just double and triple check your application to ensure it's complete... so it's not returned while you are on vacations... Just my 2 cents... Good luck
 

thecoolguysam

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plus said:
Thanks everyone who took the time to explain things.
I like the idea of having a friend keep an eye on the mailbox.
However, would you guys suggest that I inform CIC about my vacation plans with my application itself or wait to receive my AOR before letting them know. The thing is I cannot predict if I will receive an AOR before I head out for my vacation - which is about 2.5 months after application to CIC.

Thanks
Plus
Its upto you. If you receive AOR before you leave for vacation, you can call CIC call centre and provide them the info along with your file number.
If you don't receive AOR and leave for vacation there could be two possibilities:

1. If you receive AOR by email, you can't contact CIC call centre to provide info about your vacation as call centre number does not work outside canada.
2. If you receive AOR by regular mail or if god forbid the application is returned to you for some reason then you won't be able to know what's happening. Once you return back, there could be a possibility that the new 4/6 rule might come into effect

Now if you write about your vacation on the cover note along with your application, it would be a good idea for the assessing officer to know that you would be away. Rest it is upto the CIC officer to interpret your situation.

Also, contacting CIC call centre while you are away for more than 2 weeks is recommended so that you don't miss any important mails etc.

Please check the following links:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=911&t=5

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/become-after.asp

If someone in this forum has been through such an experience, they can guide you more.