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boltz

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Should these be included with the appln? - T4, NOA, employment letter

I guess the instructions change with time - advise what it stands today.

I'd want to include it if its minimum expectation - either directly listed or indirectly expected by CIC officers.

Is any one not sending those and getting along with their application smoothly?

I am interested to limiting to required documentation, however with these 3 - I am confused.

Appreciate any feedback/direction on this respect.
 

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boltz said:
Should these be included with the appln? - T4, NOA, employment letter

I guess the instructions change with time - advise what it stands today.

I'd want to include it if its minimum expectation - either directly listed or indirectly expected by CIC officers.

Is any one not sending those and getting along with their application smoothly?

I am interested to limiting to required documentation, however with these 3 - I am confused.

Appreciate any feedback/direction on this respect.
Do not include any extra information. Just provide them with what is required in document check list.
 

era1521

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boltz said:
Should these be included with the appln? - T4, NOA, employment letter

I guess the instructions change with time - advise what it stands today.

I'd want to include it if its minimum expectation - either directly listed or indirectly expected by CIC officers.

Is any one not sending those and getting along with their application smoothly?

I am interested to limiting to required documentation, however with these 3 - I am confused.

Appreciate any feedback/direction on this respect.
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/rq-despite-all-documents-submitted-with-citizenship-application-t271425.0.html
 

arambi

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arambi said:
Alphazip,

I agree with you 100%. "The truth is that it is unknown whether sending additional documents is of any help. In this case it was not, while in his friends' cases it may have been. It is only speculation to state that additional documents harm an application, so there is no use denouncing someone for sending them".

As I said before, RQ is part of some insane and evil bureaucracy and some CIC Officers seem to enjoy inflicting RQ pain to honest and very diligent applicants like OP. I know a lot of people (from this forum and outside this forum), including my spouse, who sent in additional documents and their case was timely processed or is being procession without RQ.

Why not take a chance to try avoid RQ by sending additional documents? I will ALWAYS advise applicants to send in addt'l key documents (NOA, T4, most recent paystub, Home ownership or lease docs, and DON'T forget this one Volunteer certificate).

There is no clear evidence that Addt'l docs either help or harm one's application. However, if you have time and energy, it is a good idea to put in some addt'l key documents: one thing is clear, this gives you a shot (maybe a long shot) at avoiding RQ (vs. doing nothing).
 

boltz

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era1521 said:
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/rq-despite-all-documents-submitted-with-citizenship-application-t271425.0.html
Thanks; I understand I donot need to; and not interested to - cover all bases or something of that sort...

However, I do remember some time early 2014 - this chk list did not have it in; but there was one Q that was asking for work records (inherently; and almost hidden). These things keep changing with time.

I am just interested in these 3 docs to clear confusion in air. If its still expected by cic; and what the current applicants are up to on these.

Advise. Thanks.
 

era1521

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boltz said:
Thanks; I understand I donot need to; and not interested to - cover all bases or something of that sort...

However, I do remember some time early 2014 - this chk list did not have it in; but there was one Q that was asking for work records (inherently; and almost hidden). These things keep changing with time.

I am just interested in these 3 docs to clear confusion in air. If its still expected by cic; and what the current applicants are up to on these.

Advise. Thanks.
Yeah, I had that version of application form, where was mentioned to provide work or education records. I just missed that part and did not send any work records. There was no issue and completed the all process in less than 5 months.
 

Hera9

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I included NOA in my application, didn't include T4 & employment letter. I think NOA is good enough to prove residential.
 

RussCan

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boltz said:
Thanks; I understand I donot need to; and not interested to - cover all bases or something of that sort...

However, I do remember some time early 2014 - this chk list did not have it in; but there was one Q that was asking for work records (inherently; and almost hidden). These things keep changing with time.

I am just interested in these 3 docs to clear confusion in air. If its still expected by cic; and what the current applicants are up to on these.

Advise. Thanks.
The debate on whether to include non required pieces of information on not with your application will never stop, as it is a qualitative assessment that cannot be quantified. I can only rely on my personal experience when I offer my opinion on this subject. I included everything above enumerated, including a detailed cover letter stating my case of why I believe to have build strong residential ties in Canada. When I was passing the exam this month the officer conducting the interview said she was very impressed with how well organized and detailed my application was. If that was an indication of anything, I would opine to assume that including the extra documents in our application was more beneficial than impartial or detrimental.
 

era1521

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RussCan said:
The debate on whether to include non required pieces of information on not with your application will never stop, as it is a qualitative assessment that cannot be quantified. I can only rely on my personal experience when I offer my opinion on this subject. I included everything above enumerated, including a detailed cover letter stating my case of why I believe to have build strong residential ties in Canada. When I was passing the exam this month the officer conducting the interview said she was very impressed with how well organized and detailed my application was. If that was an indication of anything, I would opine to assume that including the extra documents in our application was more beneficial than impartial or detrimental.
here something doesnt make sense or you're just inconsistent in what you're saying.
on a different thread i believe you mentioned that you choose not bring a translation for non-english stamps in your passport during the interview. not that much strict and organized like you try to look in the above posting.

or maybe it wasnt you.
 

RussCan

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era1521 said:
here something doesnt make sense or you're just inconsistent in what you're saying.
on a different thread i believe you mentioned that you choose not bring a translation for non-english stamps in your passport during the interview. not that much strict and organized like you try to look in the above posting.

or maybe it wasnt you.
You are right. I chose not to translate the Russian and Azery stamps in my passports to save money and hassle. It was not a haphazard decision but rather one based on conventional wisdom and the feedback of those in similar similar circumstances. Straggle to see how this makes me less organized.
 

arambi

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RussCan said:
The debate on whether to include non required pieces of information on not with your application will never stop, as it is a qualitative assessment that cannot be quantified. I can only rely on my personal experience when I offer my opinion on this subject. I included everything above enumerated, including a detailed cover letter stating my case of why I believe to have build strong residential ties in Canada. When I was passing the exam this month the officer conducting the interview said she was very impressed with how well organized and detailed my application was. If that was an indication of anything, I would opine to assume that including the extra documents in our application was more beneficial than impartial or detrimental.
Thanks for your testimony Russian !
 

arambi

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RussCan said:
You are right. I chose not to translate the Russian and Azery stamps in my passports to save money and hassle. It was not a haphazard decision but rather one based on conventional wisdom and the feedback of those in similar similar circumstances. Straggle to see how this makes me less organized.
Like RussCan, I'm also struggling to see how not submitting some translations will make someone less organized. ... Era please elaborate...
 

era1521

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RussCan said:
You are right. I chose not to translate the Russian and Azery stamps in my passports to save money and hassle. It was not a haphazard decision but rather one based on conventional wisdom and the feedback of those in similar similar circumstances. Straggle to see how this makes me less organized.
It was just an observation. I didnt send any additional document with my application, but I had everything prepared in case would have received an RQ or asked for specific documents. Was not my case, but i would have not hesitated to translate passport stamps too.
 

era1521

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arambi said:
Like RussCan, I'm also struggling to see how not submitting some translations will make someone less organized. ... Era please elaborate...
well, not sure what else to elaborate. in my view being organized meant i would and i had ready each and every document pertinent to application, precisely those related to residency. passport translation in my view would have been an important and more than relevant detail if contains non-english stamps.

but again, thats my opinion.